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		By: David Miscabbage		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Miscabbage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 00:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-254578&quot;&gt;Jen Beuer&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe that Mike Rinder told the FBI that it would be pointless to raid Gold Base in Hemet California. He said that they could round up everybody, even those who&#039;ve been in the hole for years and every single one of them would tell them they wanted to be there.

Scientology employs drills at every major headquarters for a warrant delivered by the FBI. They are to destroy documents and smash computers hard drives and get rid of all evidence of wrongdoing.

That said, I don&#039;t know why they don&#039;t at least try to raid Clearwater and Hollywood Scientology bases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-254578">Jen Beuer</a>.</p>
<p>I believe that Mike Rinder told the FBI that it would be pointless to raid Gold Base in Hemet California. He said that they could round up everybody, even those who&#8217;ve been in the hole for years and every single one of them would tell them they wanted to be there.</p>
<p>Scientology employs drills at every major headquarters for a warrant delivered by the FBI. They are to destroy documents and smash computers hard drives and get rid of all evidence of wrongdoing.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t know why they don&#8217;t at least try to raid Clearwater and Hollywood Scientology bases.</p>
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		By: Tim Adelin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Adelin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an outsider who has lived most of his life in California,it seems apparent that HUGE amounts of money has been and is likely still being funneled over from Scientology to those who manage the city of Clearwater. It could very well be that the Chief is under strict orders to not investigate the rapes etc as has been presented on the TV show. City Manager, somebody with POWER is being paid a LOT of money to halt any investigation as i would bet money that NOBODY from the city has ever stepped inside their mostly empty buildings to talk with anyone, including their dirty lawyers who themselves are paid well to protect their inner criminals. Shameful. IRS tax exemption MUST stop. Oust those in charge of the police and since this guy has been in charge since 1992 !!!!! he needs to go. The people of Clearwater seem naive and perhaps have NO idea about what is going on in there. There is nothing good about this church, nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an outsider who has lived most of his life in California,it seems apparent that HUGE amounts of money has been and is likely still being funneled over from Scientology to those who manage the city of Clearwater. It could very well be that the Chief is under strict orders to not investigate the rapes etc as has been presented on the TV show. City Manager, somebody with POWER is being paid a LOT of money to halt any investigation as i would bet money that NOBODY from the city has ever stepped inside their mostly empty buildings to talk with anyone, including their dirty lawyers who themselves are paid well to protect their inner criminals. Shameful. IRS tax exemption MUST stop. Oust those in charge of the police and since this guy has been in charge since 1992 !!!!! he needs to go. The people of Clearwater seem naive and perhaps have NO idea about what is going on in there. There is nothing good about this church, nothing.</p>
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		By: Nina		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-272835</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2019 03:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-253784&quot;&gt;Stefan&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey! I think I met you briefly at the church a few months back. I&#039;m definitely interested in joining but I&#039;m really not sure where to start...do you think you could give me some advice? :p sorry if you think this is random.]]></description>
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<p>Hey! I think I met you briefly at the church a few months back. I&#8217;m definitely interested in joining but I&#8217;m really not sure where to start&#8230;do you think you could give me some advice? :p sorry if you think this is random.</p>
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		By: highhorse666		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[highhorse666]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 04:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All we have to do is look at the past 18 years of law enforcement agencies, federal and local, targeting mosques to show how laughable and inept the police response to Scientology is. Considering the documented history of surveillance, infiltration, and attempts at undercover stings conducted at mosques, and yet they claim must treat Scientology with kid gloves? Laughable. Similarly, you can look at those same tactics being used against BLM, environmental, groups and other constitutionally-protected protest groups to illustrate that Clearwater and Los Angeles PDs are making a deliberate choice to be hands off.

Tony Ortega also made a great point asking if that 3.4% of off-duty contracting includes FSO, the front groups, etc., or if it&#039;s just for one entity. Hopefully, the records will be forthcoming.

I have no doubt this is an uncomfortable situation for these agencies, but they need to stand up for the victims of Scientology with the same dedication they show in protecting the powerful. That&#039;s their obligation to their citizens, their bosses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All we have to do is look at the past 18 years of law enforcement agencies, federal and local, targeting mosques to show how laughable and inept the police response to Scientology is. Considering the documented history of surveillance, infiltration, and attempts at undercover stings conducted at mosques, and yet they claim must treat Scientology with kid gloves? Laughable. Similarly, you can look at those same tactics being used against BLM, environmental, groups and other constitutionally-protected protest groups to illustrate that Clearwater and Los Angeles PDs are making a deliberate choice to be hands off.</p>
<p>Tony Ortega also made a great point asking if that 3.4% of off-duty contracting includes FSO, the front groups, etc., or if it&#8217;s just for one entity. Hopefully, the records will be forthcoming.</p>
<p>I have no doubt this is an uncomfortable situation for these agencies, but they need to stand up for the victims of Scientology with the same dedication they show in protecting the powerful. That&#8217;s their obligation to their citizens, their bosses.</p>
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		By: David Voigts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Voigts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great response.  There&#039;s more than enough evidence about Scientology to execute a RICO case.  All this work raising public awareness will generate a response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great response.  There&#8217;s more than enough evidence about Scientology to execute a RICO case.  All this work raising public awareness will generate a response.</p>
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		By: David Voigts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Voigts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-254578&quot;&gt;Jen Beuer&lt;/a&gt;.

I saw a great article that answers this question over on Tony Ortega&#039;s website.  It was written by someone named Chris Owen.  I&#039;m still trying to learn who that is.  I know Aftermath had an academic on the season 1 episode 9 titled &quot;Merchants of Fear&quot; and now I&#039;m wondering if there&#039;s a body of academic writings about Scientology.

https://tonyortega.org/2019/02/11/untouchable-scientologys-60-year-plan-to-protect-itself-from-the-law/?fbclid=IwAR2fgTEQIFulci2qy-PBF6t7NNuGEo140g_O2mUJ7iS8fZFyvBKD1al6p9U]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-254578">Jen Beuer</a>.</p>
<p>I saw a great article that answers this question over on Tony Ortega&#8217;s website.  It was written by someone named Chris Owen.  I&#8217;m still trying to learn who that is.  I know Aftermath had an academic on the season 1 episode 9 titled &#8220;Merchants of Fear&#8221; and now I&#8217;m wondering if there&#8217;s a body of academic writings about Scientology.</p>
<p><a href="https://tonyortega.org/2019/02/11/untouchable-scientologys-60-year-plan-to-protect-itself-from-the-law/?fbclid=IwAR2fgTEQIFulci2qy-PBF6t7NNuGEo140g_O2mUJ7iS8fZFyvBKD1al6p9U" rel="nofollow ugc">https://tonyortega.org/2019/02/11/untouchable-scientologys-60-year-plan-to-protect-itself-from-the-law/?fbclid=IwAR2fgTEQIFulci2qy-PBF6t7NNuGEo140g_O2mUJ7iS8fZFyvBKD1al6p9U</a></p>
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		By: Jen Beuer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen Beuer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2019 00:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When will the FBI do something about Scientology?  There is so much evidence against them!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will the FBI do something about Scientology?  There is so much evidence against them!</p>
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		By: Ammo Alamo		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-254276</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ammo Alamo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2019 09:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-253712&quot;&gt;Alice Watson&lt;/a&gt;.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Chief could not compare apples to apples, rather large churches to large churches, because it would not show him or his off-duty officers&#039; well-paying employer in a good light.  But, since there are few, perhaps no churches in the city with the population of Flag, no proper comparison would be made.

I wish they would let me do the stats. I can call up a party of angels on the head of a pin and make them dance widdershins and sing the Happy Birthday song, just give me some data, I&#039;ll get right on it.

For example, &quot;Scientology has cost CW [x-millions, x-dozens] of [dollars,cents] in lost tax revenue, compared to the taxable use of the properties before Scientology bought them.  It works out to xx.x% of all lost taxable revenue, making Scientology an [enormous, inconsequential] drain on the city.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-253712">Alice Watson</a>.</p>
<p>There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.</p>
<p>Chief could not compare apples to apples, rather large churches to large churches, because it would not show him or his off-duty officers&#8217; well-paying employer in a good light.  But, since there are few, perhaps no churches in the city with the population of Flag, no proper comparison would be made.</p>
<p>I wish they would let me do the stats. I can call up a party of angels on the head of a pin and make them dance widdershins and sing the Happy Birthday song, just give me some data, I&#8217;ll get right on it.</p>
<p>For example, &#8220;Scientology has cost CW [x-millions, x-dozens] of [dollars,cents] in lost tax revenue, compared to the taxable use of the properties before Scientology bought them.  It works out to xx.x% of all lost taxable revenue, making Scientology an [enormous, inconsequential] drain on the city.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ammo Alamo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ammo Alamo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2019 08:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-253761&quot;&gt;jimbmorris&lt;/a&gt;.

Twenty years later the CWPD goes not have a written protocol for dealing with these types of calls?  This should have been part of the Chief&#039;s mea culpa: &quot; We have been dealing with very similar situations during the 108 calls last year alone, and over [one thousand, two thousand]  similar calls by Scientology during th past twenty years, and have developed routine responses and written guidelines, available on FOIA request.&quot;

At the very least, anyone responding to a call about that silly injunction should have memorized it, or at least been in a four-hour training session concerning it, since it seems so important to Scientology - and not understood in the least by CWPD, not even with a copy in their hand.  

However, in the absence of any harm to citizens or officers, I hope this continues to happen, as long as it is recorded and discussed in public to bring focus on Scientology&#039;s normal irreligious attack practices.  And, absent that trespass warning that was never formalized that day, Mark &#038; Co. are free to return often, just don&#039;t forget the film crew!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-253761">jimbmorris</a>.</p>
<p>Twenty years later the CWPD goes not have a written protocol for dealing with these types of calls?  This should have been part of the Chief&#8217;s mea culpa: &#8221; We have been dealing with very similar situations during the 108 calls last year alone, and over [one thousand, two thousand]  similar calls by Scientology during th past twenty years, and have developed routine responses and written guidelines, available on FOIA request.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the very least, anyone responding to a call about that silly injunction should have memorized it, or at least been in a four-hour training session concerning it, since it seems so important to Scientology &#8211; and not understood in the least by CWPD, not even with a copy in their hand.  </p>
<p>However, in the absence of any harm to citizens or officers, I hope this continues to happen, as long as it is recorded and discussed in public to bring focus on Scientology&#8217;s normal irreligious attack practices.  And, absent that trespass warning that was never formalized that day, Mark &amp; Co. are free to return often, just don&#8217;t forget the film crew!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2019 04:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-253687&quot;&gt;Zenster&lt;/a&gt;.

@ Zenster:

&quot;Police protect MONEY in America&quot;. 

Sure, and from what I observe, they also protect the poor, the aged, children, the disabled and the mentally ill.

What you stated may be the reality where you live, but where I live, police answer calls from ALL kinds of people, of every race, color, creed, age, gender, nationality and socio-economic group.

But then, respectfully,  I don&#039;t live in Mayberry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-and-the-clearwater-police-department/#comment-253687">Zenster</a>.</p>
<p>@ Zenster:</p>
<p>&#8220;Police protect MONEY in America&#8221;. </p>
<p>Sure, and from what I observe, they also protect the poor, the aged, children, the disabled and the mentally ill.</p>
<p>What you stated may be the reality where you live, but where I live, police answer calls from ALL kinds of people, of every race, color, creed, age, gender, nationality and socio-economic group.</p>
<p>But then, respectfully,  I don&#8217;t live in Mayberry.</p>
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