Hi K,

Great going on your L12 attainment. Another tick in the Goals list is done!

This silly squabble which started by someone being pissed off over a group’s need to make another independent representation of self determinism, just smacks of petty intolerance, imo. As Gayle says, she is standing up for AUDITORS, who are being slimed, invalidated, Dead Agented, or attacked, just for doing their job (helping!)

To my view, the key here is to ask one simple question. What is the ‘intent’ behind the ‘move/s? Are we against people having free choice? Are we once again, having our minds made up for us by yet another “know best?”
Or are we invited, as LRH made clear, to MAKE UP OUR OWN MINDS?

Last time I checked, it appears we actually DO have that right 🙂

This is no fight over here I assure you. It’s me making it clear that my freedom to communicate when I see injustice is no more going to be stopped OUT of the church as it die when I was in. and Kangaroo court?! honestly you dishonor the term if this is what you think a kangaroo court is. Ha! my GOD! I lost a post I love and a group I LOVED and it was because a REAL LIVE kangaroo court occurred. This? a kangaroo court? T.O. communicates more on these two blogs than anyone – if that hasn’t given her the chance to make herself known then I don’t know what will. I don’t communicate to you as I am out of some weird need to engage you as they do on Tony’s blog – I’m a real live example of ME and ME didn’t like it when you tried to incite re the MS2 arrow and ME didn’t like it when you jumped on me like stink on shit for the dialog I addressed to Marty. So I’ve made my point – it’s about the tech, it’s about auditing, it’s about NOT pigeon holing people, or taking sides or what ever the criticism de jour is. It’s me. Just me telling you like it is for me – someone who loves auditors, and wishes you could find it in your heart to show it a little bit more than you have.

Peace

Oracle – Nice tactic, away from the main damage, but as you say, great fun if one was very talented.

2) What you wrote was shocking to me, as it came from you and, as far as I’m concerned, was damaging without saying who originated it.

3) “It would be great if the attitude toward those who deliver actually reflected the value of what they deliver.” – Maybe it does? This is the crux of the matter, isn’t it? Estimation of value is highly individual. I can understand you want respect for what you do. Everyone does. But these blogs are the meeting grounds of many people, some who feel betrayed, angry. Not everyone may be in a position or inclined to give it. Remember, being able to vent (as you just did) is also a vital part of the healing process.

4) I understand you would not see a point in entering a biased or unequal discussion as to your value. Neither would I, but I do not make a potential customer wrong for not understanding what I do, publicly or otherwise. I think there’s so much value we never really appreciate. Consider: no farmers + food companies = no food = you can forget your auditing. No internet = I can forget my work. Everyone contributes to our society.

5) There are many reasons the CoS is failing. I think its demise is systemic. It bore its own seeds of destruction. “Holier than thou” comes to mind. M2 is a questionable experiment, as one might (perhaps rightly) fear a re-enactment, hardly desireable at this or any other stage.

6) Fundamentalism: Collins, def. 3: strict adherence to the fundamental principles of any set of beliefs.

Dollar Morgue,

I’ll do my best to answer your qns;
1. yes, I consider using hidden recording devices to be OSA style. I also believe the posts on Marty’s blog threads about it that were cryptic and accusatory were as well.

2. I’m not sure what you’re referring to here, sorry.

3. & 4. I am someone who won’t back down to what I receive as suppressive generalizations, attacks on auditors, joking and degrading about them, attempting to destroy an auditor’s reputation. I held Qual posts for 17.5 of my 18 years on staff. I HELPED auditors as it was a purpose that I jumped out of bed in the morning to pursue and went to bed at night happy to have done. I take it very personally when they are attacked, third partied, gossiped about, invalidated or joked and degraded about, overtly or covertly. I wore that hat for as long as I did because of how much it aligns with my purpose as an individual to help people with something I found that actually does. Auditors do that. They deserve to be treated with respect. I don’t know ONE of them who I consider my friends who do this for any other reason than to HELP people. I’ve seen some squirrel shit being delivered out here that took some WORK to undo – shit that blew people off the Bridge and in a few cases closer to the edge than we want ANYONE to go. REAL Help comes in the form of it being safe for us to do what we’re doing without the efforts to use these blogs to incite. Scientology is not about winning the blog thread – it would be nice if the blog threads weren’t used as a forum to attack auditors out of the cofs who are DOING something to keep the tech free from the church’s death grip.

5. I had my own disagreements with MS2…guess who I talked to about it? Them. I spoke with several of them and I was in comm with Marty as well. I thought that was the best way to deal with the matter. Directly, honestly and with the intention of trying to understand because of how vital the whole thing had been to creating more delivery in the field. I was HUGELY upset with how it came out and then with how Marty countered it. It was SOOO upsetting to see good people, valuable people, resourceful people be involved with such a debacle and to have it play out like that on the blog – really I had to speak my piece directly and the reason is because I care(d).

6. not sure what you’re point is here; if a person doesn’t have some fundamental truths from which to proceed in life I think it would be a fairly empty existence. If you’re implying that I’m a fundy – you’d have to give me your independent scientologese definition as I’ve found their are several. I consider me to be a professional auditor who can apply the tech of Scientology to my pcs in a manner that will get them results, higher awareness and forward motion toward what matters to them in life. I do it as it’s laid out on the grade chart. My e-meter is my eyes in to the case and I use that to move the tone arm till we have energy released. I also know that the OT level tech is valuable and meant to be done on the gradient of the chart and the e-meter continues to be the validating information of where I go and when I’m done JUST like on the lower Bridge. I DON’T consult the red/green vols in order to figure out what to do next in my day.

Any way, now you know DM that when auditors go under attack it will likely bring me to the table I’m not often at due to auditing and say “hey, yeah YOU! when I see YOUR ass in session handling the pc’s desires to go Clear and OT you can talk trash but then again if you DID get your ass there I think you’d eventually discover that they aren’t the people you will find it easy to talk trash ABOUT!”

So end of my rant, off to audit my 5th hour today. 😉

We actually relocated to the city in order to be closer to the ORG so I could be a staff auditor. Too many outpoints like this story and many others on the Internet forced us to examine the entire scene and conclude that DM is evil and he has the remaining Scientologists in submission by using fair game and disconnection as his weapons of choice.

I deliver auditing in the indie field so I ended up getting what I wanted in the end. My clients come to me by referral and by my postulates.

Regards,

The Family of Bullet Dodgers

PS. Thanks to David StLawerence

Oracle. I forgot to mention that my wife and I are both auditing in the independent field and getting great wins for 1/30th the cost and 3000% more efficientl that the CO$ could ever deliver and all with an OT Auditor. How’s that for straight up and verticle? ( insert maniacal laugh)

Time for a bit of Wise Beard Man’s reconcilliation speach.

Big Clancking Balls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puWbVnMk614

The solution is to meet eachother in person and engage. Not this blog thing. Or skype if distances can’t be overcome in an acceptable timeframe.

If you interact wich eachother in person, understanding can grow even if viewpoints differ.

That movie is one of my “stable Datums”