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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2019 15:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270218&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Brooks was mostly speaking about political ideologies and relationships. Automatic criticism in politics and relationships can become a &quot;habit&quot; and he suggests that habits can be broken. How or if that relates to Scientology and Scientologists, once again - whatever]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270218">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Brooks was mostly speaking about political ideologies and relationships. Automatic criticism in politics and relationships can become a &#8220;habit&#8221; and he suggests that habits can be broken. How or if that relates to Scientology and Scientologists, once again &#8211; whatever</p>
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		By: Jan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2019 14:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270116&quot;&gt;Jere lull (38years recovering)&lt;/a&gt;.

Chutes and Ladders says it best]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270116">Jere lull (38years recovering)</a>.</p>
<p>Chutes and Ladders says it best</p>
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		By: John Doe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2019 02:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270137&quot;&gt;Jere lull (38years recovering)&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly Jere. 

Really, it boils down to this:

Either Hubbard was really lax about checking his books before they went to print, and never bothered to even pick up a copy for decades afterward, and it took Miscavige to correct this massive fuck up on point #1 of KSW by the great L. Ron Hubbard himself,

Or....

LRH left the books exactly the way he wanted them to be and Miscavige has come along and tinkered with the punctuation and editing of them to “clarify” what Hubbard meant, despite clear instructions to never do such a thing as laid out in KSW #1. 

So which is it? Neither of these things is able to be confronted by the remaining Scientologists.  

(By the way, when I’ve presented this as above to still-in Scientologists, 3 times out of 3 a dark cloud of cognitive dissonance fell over their faces, as they tried to start to process it. Never heard if it led to them leaving though.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270137">Jere lull (38years recovering)</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly Jere. </p>
<p>Really, it boils down to this:</p>
<p>Either Hubbard was really lax about checking his books before they went to print, and never bothered to even pick up a copy for decades afterward, and it took Miscavige to correct this massive fuck up on point #1 of KSW by the great L. Ron Hubbard himself,</p>
<p>Or&#8230;.</p>
<p>LRH left the books exactly the way he wanted them to be and Miscavige has come along and tinkered with the punctuation and editing of them to “clarify” what Hubbard meant, despite clear instructions to never do such a thing as laid out in KSW #1. </p>
<p>So which is it? Neither of these things is able to be confronted by the remaining Scientologists.  </p>
<p>(By the way, when I’ve presented this as above to still-in Scientologists, 3 times out of 3 a dark cloud of cognitive dissonance fell over their faces, as they tried to start to process it. Never heard if it led to them leaving though.)</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2019 21:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270097&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Aqua - I just picked up on your comment. C-span has a weekend show called BookTV where authors discuss their non fiction books. Last week Arthur C. Brooks discussed his book, &quot;Love Your Enemies:How Decent People Can Save America from the Culture of Contempt&quot;

Part of it, greatly paraphrased was, &quot;Anger is a hot emotion which says I care about what you think. Contempt is what the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer called the conviction of the worthlessness of another human being. Contempt is a cold emotion. It says I don&#039;t care about you and you&#039;re beneath caring about.&quot;

One example might be the classic &quot;eye roll&quot;. Another might be the more direct, &quot;You&#039;re an idiot!

Whatever - laughter]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270097">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Aqua &#8211; I just picked up on your comment. C-span has a weekend show called BookTV where authors discuss their non fiction books. Last week Arthur C. Brooks discussed his book, &#8220;Love Your Enemies:How Decent People Can Save America from the Culture of Contempt&#8221;</p>
<p>Part of it, greatly paraphrased was, &#8220;Anger is a hot emotion which says I care about what you think. Contempt is what the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer called the conviction of the worthlessness of another human being. Contempt is a cold emotion. It says I don&#8217;t care about you and you&#8217;re beneath caring about.&#8221;</p>
<p>One example might be the classic &#8220;eye roll&#8221;. Another might be the more direct, &#8220;You&#8217;re an idiot!</p>
<p>Whatever &#8211; laughter</p>
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		By: aldeboni		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2019 15:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PT = Present Time. The best question is always to ask &quot;How long is Present Time?&quot;. You will find that a scientologist has no answer about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PT = Present Time. The best question is always to ask &#8220;How long is Present Time?&#8221;. You will find that a scientologist has no answer about.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Helena looks OK, considering how she looked in the 1990s..

She always made me a little sad - I understood that she went in to get her husband out of the clutches of the criminal organisation known as the&quot;church&quot; of $cientology. Plus, she was super ineffective at shutting down the Internet :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helena looks OK, considering how she looked in the 1990s..</p>
<p>She always made me a little sad &#8211; I understood that she went in to get her husband out of the clutches of the criminal organisation known as the&#8221;church&#8221; of $cientology. Plus, she was super ineffective at shutting down the Internet 🙂</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270126&quot;&gt;jere lull (38years recovering)&lt;/a&gt;.

The lower part of the bridge to a great extent addressed mundane things like communication, problems and regrets as well as unwanted attitudes, emotions, sensations and pains. Some people got benefits and some didn&#039;t.

It was PM who said Scn was always expensive and it was. That&#039;s why I never bought into clearing the planet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270126">jere lull (38years recovering)</a>.</p>
<p>The lower part of the bridge to a great extent addressed mundane things like communication, problems and regrets as well as unwanted attitudes, emotions, sensations and pains. Some people got benefits and some didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It was PM who said Scn was always expensive and it was. That&#8217;s why I never bought into clearing the planet.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270014&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

I occasionally mention that the prices were at least &quot;more reasonable&quot; in the old days in case a Still In lurker happens to read the blog. Other than the Old Timers, most of them are unaware that donations for status, fundraising and the like were not part of the earlier standard operating procedure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270014">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>I occasionally mention that the prices were at least &#8220;more reasonable&#8221; in the old days in case a Still In lurker happens to read the blog. Other than the Old Timers, most of them are unaware that donations for status, fundraising and the like were not part of the earlier standard operating procedure.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270126&quot;&gt;jere lull (38years recovering)&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;UNFAIRLY expensive, since it delivered NONE of its promises.&quot;

You hit the nail on the head jere!  It has ALWAYS been a criminal scam.  Thus COMPLETELY expensive]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270126">jere lull (38years recovering)</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;UNFAIRLY expensive, since it delivered NONE of its promises.&#8221;</p>
<p>You hit the nail on the head jere!  It has ALWAYS been a criminal scam.  Thus COMPLETELY expensive</p>
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		By: Jere lull (38years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-270137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere lull (38years recovering)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-269859&quot;&gt;John Doe&lt;/a&gt;.

John Doe stated:
&quot;(As an aside, Miscavige doubled down on this idea of drilling in his Golden Age of Tech, his so-called rediscovery of “lost” Hubbard tech, that enabled Miscavige to suggest that he is also at the level of Hubbard without actually claiming to be another “Source”, which would be viewed as Blasphemy by scientologists.)&quot;

GAT or GAK SHOULD have produced a massive exodus from DM&#039;s cult sometimes represented  as scientology.  anyone who had studied the tech and admin, especially KSW, SHOULD have recognized just how off-source the new stuff was.


AND that one about Ron never checking the tally proofs of his books? Not even getting flunkies to check things out?

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT L RON HUBBARD? who obsessed about the details of EVERYTHING? I&#039;d have expected him to have them checked 7 ways from Sunday, with the reports filed in triplicate.

TELL ME ANOTHER, Davey-Boy! Perhaps one I might  BELIEVE.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-chutes-and-ladders/#comment-269859">John Doe</a>.</p>
<p>John Doe stated:<br />
&#8220;(As an aside, Miscavige doubled down on this idea of drilling in his Golden Age of Tech, his so-called rediscovery of “lost” Hubbard tech, that enabled Miscavige to suggest that he is also at the level of Hubbard without actually claiming to be another “Source”, which would be viewed as Blasphemy by scientologists.)&#8221;</p>
<p>GAT or GAK SHOULD have produced a massive exodus from DM&#8217;s cult sometimes represented  as scientology.  anyone who had studied the tech and admin, especially KSW, SHOULD have recognized just how off-source the new stuff was.</p>
<p>AND that one about Ron never checking the tally proofs of his books? Not even getting flunkies to check things out?</p>
<p>ARE WE TALKING ABOUT L RON HUBBARD? who obsessed about the details of EVERYTHING? I&#8217;d have expected him to have them checked 7 ways from Sunday, with the reports filed in triplicate.</p>
<p>TELL ME ANOTHER, Davey-Boy! Perhaps one I might  BELIEVE.</p>
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