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		By: Autodestruction &#8211; scientologie-secte.org		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-209238</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Autodestruction &#8211; scientologie-secte.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2018 13:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Un article de Mike Rinder décrypte le nouveau système d&#8217;excommunication mis en place par le dictateur. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: breppen		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[breppen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 04:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5555&quot;&gt;Cooper Kessel&lt;/a&gt;.

So sorry Coop, it&#039;s a rough road when you follow the truth.  I&#039;ve shared this link to a word doc that I post on 2 private Facebook groups Indie Scn current Event and Indie Scientologist in hopes that will help others.  Wishing you the best and support in your new journey which undoubtedly will be liberating now that you are out from the psychopath&#039;s control.  The suppression never ceases to amaze, glad you rose above it, not an easy task.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5555">Cooper Kessel</a>.</p>
<p>So sorry Coop, it&#8217;s a rough road when you follow the truth.  I&#8217;ve shared this link to a word doc that I post on 2 private Facebook groups Indie Scn current Event and Indie Scientologist in hopes that will help others.  Wishing you the best and support in your new journey which undoubtedly will be liberating now that you are out from the psychopath&#8217;s control.  The suppression never ceases to amaze, glad you rose above it, not an easy task.</p>
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		By: sophia13		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sophia13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 03:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5546&quot;&gt;A Grapevine Declared Ex&lt;/a&gt;.

In the late 60&#039;s, I studied eastern philosophy and meditated.  It did nothing for me.  Then I got 5 hours of introductory auditing at a  mission.  I was astounded at how much improvement that auditing made in my mental, emotional and spiritual state.

I believe that most of us have had a very hard time achieving any kind of stability of case gain while being connected to the C of S in general and the SO in particular (even if it&#039;s only connected as public).  I&#039;ve encountered a number of truly kind, caring, dedicated SO members, but there have been just too many sadists and fascists that have found their way into the group and been allowed to remain there.  I observed what I thought were Nazi tendencies amongst a number of SO members in 1971.  The situation has gotten progressively worse since.  IMO, the purpose of the PT Sea Org is to enslave the rest of the human race.  It seems to me like many of these guys are aiming to become the &quot;Aryans&quot; of the planet, lording it over the rest of us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5546">A Grapevine Declared Ex</a>.</p>
<p>In the late 60&#8217;s, I studied eastern philosophy and meditated.  It did nothing for me.  Then I got 5 hours of introductory auditing at a  mission.  I was astounded at how much improvement that auditing made in my mental, emotional and spiritual state.</p>
<p>I believe that most of us have had a very hard time achieving any kind of stability of case gain while being connected to the C of S in general and the SO in particular (even if it&#8217;s only connected as public).  I&#8217;ve encountered a number of truly kind, caring, dedicated SO members, but there have been just too many sadists and fascists that have found their way into the group and been allowed to remain there.  I observed what I thought were Nazi tendencies amongst a number of SO members in 1971.  The situation has gotten progressively worse since.  IMO, the purpose of the PT Sea Org is to enslave the rest of the human race.  It seems to me like many of these guys are aiming to become the &#8220;Aryans&#8221; of the planet, lording it over the rest of us.</p>
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		By: DeElizabethan		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5727</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeElizabethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 21:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5717&quot;&gt;Michael Leonard Tilse&lt;/a&gt;.

Took almost a year after my resignation by emails (only) to MAA and my OSA contact, of my commenting on blogs, protesting a few times, also posted on the WWP list, for me to get a letter of Declare. Finally when I got it in the mail I was so happy to be acknowledged and sent it to Tony O&#039;s Bunker, which he printed. That was the best day of my life, really being free from them and their suppression and acknowledged after so many years.
Keep on truckin&#039; so they say and thank you for helping.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5717">Michael Leonard Tilse</a>.</p>
<p>Took almost a year after my resignation by emails (only) to MAA and my OSA contact, of my commenting on blogs, protesting a few times, also posted on the WWP list, for me to get a letter of Declare. Finally when I got it in the mail I was so happy to be acknowledged and sent it to Tony O&#8217;s Bunker, which he printed. That was the best day of my life, really being free from them and their suppression and acknowledged after so many years.<br />
Keep on truckin&#8217; so they say and thank you for helping.</p>
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		By: DeElizabethan		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5726</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeElizabethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 21:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5697&quot;&gt;TheWidowDenk&lt;/a&gt;.

I had the same happening and wondered for a while too. Finally they sent me an update email from Disqus to &quot;confirm&quot; each blog, which now when I press that each time, I get the followup comments. It&#039;s not like Marty&#039;s or the Bunker&#039;s. Hope that helps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5697">TheWidowDenk</a>.</p>
<p>I had the same happening and wondered for a while too. Finally they sent me an update email from Disqus to &#8220;confirm&#8221; each blog, which now when I press that each time, I get the followup comments. It&#8217;s not like Marty&#8217;s or the Bunker&#8217;s. Hope that helps.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5722</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Totally understood, Rachel  and proud to be considered as one of your friends here :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally understood, Rachel  and proud to be considered as one of your friends here 🙂</p>
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		By: Michael Leonard Tilse		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5717</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Leonard Tilse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Mike,
I do appreciate you illuminating the current process of control by declare being used. As you know, I have been &#039;out&#039; and critical for quite some time. I have never seen ANYTHING in writing about my status.

I have also been subject to disconnection. I received some handwritten notes, penciled on lined paper, from two different friends. Many erasures and rewritten wording. I wonder if the process of disconnection occurs in the ethics office or MAA&#039;s office where they write these? Do other SPs have the same type of penciled disconnection notes from dear friends?

I do have a difference of opinion. I feel that the &#039;declare&#039; and &#039;expulsion&#039; were always used for control. There are two aspects: The control exerted over the person being declared and the control strengthened over the remaining flock.

It was Hubbard&#039;s intention that the declare would somehow shock the declared into coming to their senses and getting with the scientology program. That is a control move. Making them lose their families and friends is a control move. Saying they give up the scientology promise of freedom forever is a control move. Making them fair game and saying they can be destroyed with not argument from scientology is a control move.

And the other side is the &quot;head on a pike&quot;.  It frightens the remaining sheep to settle down and get with the program. That is a control move. It demonstrates the arbitrary and awesome power of the ultimate dictator and potentate of scientology, Hubbard. That is all about control.

So, reviewing the history of Hubbard&#039;s creation, it is easy to see that every time he was challenged, even just by someone who had ideas of their own and wanted to contribute, he ran control and ran them out.

That he wrapped the mechanism he used in high-minded sounding concepts and official looking procedures was just gloss. It was always about control.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mike,<br />
I do appreciate you illuminating the current process of control by declare being used. As you know, I have been &#8216;out&#8217; and critical for quite some time. I have never seen ANYTHING in writing about my status.</p>
<p>I have also been subject to disconnection. I received some handwritten notes, penciled on lined paper, from two different friends. Many erasures and rewritten wording. I wonder if the process of disconnection occurs in the ethics office or MAA&#8217;s office where they write these? Do other SPs have the same type of penciled disconnection notes from dear friends?</p>
<p>I do have a difference of opinion. I feel that the &#8216;declare&#8217; and &#8216;expulsion&#8217; were always used for control. There are two aspects: The control exerted over the person being declared and the control strengthened over the remaining flock.</p>
<p>It was Hubbard&#8217;s intention that the declare would somehow shock the declared into coming to their senses and getting with the scientology program. That is a control move. Making them lose their families and friends is a control move. Saying they give up the scientology promise of freedom forever is a control move. Making them fair game and saying they can be destroyed with not argument from scientology is a control move.</p>
<p>And the other side is the &#8220;head on a pike&#8221;.  It frightens the remaining sheep to settle down and get with the program. That is a control move. It demonstrates the arbitrary and awesome power of the ultimate dictator and potentate of scientology, Hubbard. That is all about control.</p>
<p>So, reviewing the history of Hubbard&#8217;s creation, it is easy to see that every time he was challenged, even just by someone who had ideas of their own and wanted to contribute, he ran control and ran them out.</p>
<p>That he wrapped the mechanism he used in high-minded sounding concepts and official looking procedures was just gloss. It was always about control.</p>
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		By: Wendy Munro		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5712</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy Munro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5622&quot;&gt;AnyOldName&lt;/a&gt;.

Very good point. Hah. Documentary evidence that the PR machine lies. It only takes one PR lie to lose all credibility. Good eye AON.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5622">AnyOldName</a>.</p>
<p>Very good point. Hah. Documentary evidence that the PR machine lies. It only takes one PR lie to lose all credibility. Good eye AON.</p>
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		By: Wendy Munro		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5711</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy Munro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5697&quot;&gt;TheWidowDenk&lt;/a&gt;.

I do hope you will publish...... you must have had a pretty fascinating life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5697">TheWidowDenk</a>.</p>
<p>I do hope you will publish&#8230;&#8230; you must have had a pretty fascinating life.</p>
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		By: TheWidowDenk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheWidowDenk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5668&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Aqua! Your point on the title is well taken. However, I wrote from the viewpoint of wanting to communicate to friends, not necessarily the media. Among friends, the story is understood much better. In the media, well, no. I&#039;ll eventually post these stories somewhere. At that time, you&#039;ll see what I mean. L, Rachel

Note to Mike/Moderator: I have the following box checked and I&#039;m not receiving follow-up comments. Help?
&quot; Notify me of follow-up comments by email.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/#comment-5668">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Aqua! Your point on the title is well taken. However, I wrote from the viewpoint of wanting to communicate to friends, not necessarily the media. Among friends, the story is understood much better. In the media, well, no. I&#8217;ll eventually post these stories somewhere. At that time, you&#8217;ll see what I mean. L, Rachel</p>
<p>Note to Mike/Moderator: I have the following box checked and I&#8217;m not receiving follow-up comments. Help?<br />
&#8221; Notify me of follow-up comments by email.&#8221;</p>
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