If DM is the “pope” of CoS – who elected him – as the real pope is chosen by leadership of the church?

Who is DM’s closest “advisors” now?

Why doesn’t Heber J. 42+ brothers/sisters file missing person report?

Thank you.

Deborah, To me, Christianity and “accepting the love of Jesus Christ” is just another “religious” fantasyland. People don’t need a big daddy in the wings of their lives, be it L. Ron Hubbard / David Miscavige, Jesus, Muhammad or whomever. Wishing YOUR religious beliefs (fantasy world) on others is intrusive and annoying and the primary reason people don’t like any religion. Someone is always trying to convince you that THEY know the only way. People should be left alone to enjoy their life. Period. I always find the “May the lord bless and keep you” sentiment irksome & silly. So bizarre that people take it upon themselves to bestow blessings from the invisible ‘lord’ and ‘keep’ others from something unnamed. Ugh. Keep your religious stuff to yourself. Ah, but that is not the goal of ANY religion be it Scientology or Southern Baptist or Catholic or Methodists or ANY of them. They ALL want you to go believe THEIR special brand of nonsense and do their bidding.

As for numbers. Their 1500 at Flag seems about right. I doubt many of that staff go to actual big events. Heck even Seaorg members barely make the graduations. But if you’ve ever been to Dowtnown Clearwater during meal time, 1500 is not too far off. They must have a full time round the clock kitchen crew and one heck of a cafeteria to feed all of those people coming in on buses. Avoid that area at lunch time!

I’m not a scientologist but have been in the Flag a few times as a guest. It’s as pretty inside as it is outside. They certainly know how to decorate. Also, I’ve always admired that pink church nestled right next to Fort Harrison. I’m not a Christian either, but it just sits there almost in defiance of the opulence of Fort Harrison and Flag.

If I’m ever around Flag doing business, waiting to meet a memeber of the church, boy do they jump, out of the woodwork unless I’m expected to check on me. I’ve always been told they don’t want you disturbing the people studying.

Also, they do have their info centers now off Cleveland if you want to see what they are all about. They will be happy to have you. There are like 5-6 of them all on the same block with a beautiful woman to greet you at each different organization. Criminon and the Humanity center and a couple others I can’t remember offf the top of my head. The “best” (imo) one is the Museum of death. No beautiful women there… and it is certainly macabre.

Anyways, they now have places open to the public in downtown. But just try to get past Jose at the Fort Harrison… or go loiter around Flag for 10 minutes and see what happens.

Brian, the value of Scientology tech is not limited to whether or not it produces people who can consistently exteriorize at will. The yoga you do can’t produce that ability either, even if you’ve read stories about past yogi’s who could.

Many mental and spiritual technologies can and do help people in lesser ways than exteriorizatoin, that are very valuable to them. And many people using Scientology report satisfying results from its lower levels, especially decades ago before tech delivery was corrupted.

To be sure, the subject and especially the organization need various corrections, refinements, and further development. But you don’t argue for that. You attack the whole subject, in a way calculated to make wrong anyone who sees anything good in it at all.

You are quite obviously motivated by huge emotional charge, and have sunk to battling as a self opposed to another self, and who cannot rise above that opposition to find actual enlightenment.

You will not unify. You cling to separation and opposition. That’s the reverse of yoga, isn’t it? You should set a better example.

Until you do, there’s no point in arguing any specific points with you.

See what I mean new comers:

Total avoidance and it’s me with the problem.

Even when I say they will do it. They do it.

It’s what Scientologists do.

Ron trained them well.

Thank you My 2 Cents for making my point.

All I was asking for was proof to a claim.

Questions and scrutiny is dangerous for Scientologists.

That is because reason always threatens faith.

Reason and questions do not threaten knowledge. Only assumptions based on falsehoods are threaten by scrutiny.

It’s what keeps the belief in place.

And it’s why Hubbard sought to destroy critics.

Marildi and My 2 Cents are still Scientologists.

Everyone I talk to wants you guys to keep making episodes, till it cracks the facade enough, and brings down the whole damn thing.

Do you see any signs of progress?

Thanks

Brian, for years you have demonstrated obsession with making LRH and Scientology wrong. Meanwhile you’ve continued to pursue spiritual gain by other means. If those other means really work, why are you still spending so much time on such an unenlightened activity as arguing about religion? Why hasn’t your spiritual practice bled off enough charge for you to let go of your pain?

Might it not be a unique outcome if they decided to work on the Muslims??? ROFL