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		By: Richard		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-433791&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I had to word clear bullwark. It&#039;s bulwark, one l in my dictionary, just as one word nerd to another. :))]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-433791">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I had to word clear bullwark. It&#8217;s bulwark, one l in my dictionary, just as one word nerd to another. :))</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 14:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-431098&quot;&gt;Gus Cox&lt;/a&gt;.

I just noticed this on another scn blog.

[It was Scientology Inc. paid apologist, Melton, who coined the acronym &quot;NRM&quot; as a substitute for &quot;cult.&quot;]]]></description>
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<p>I just noticed this on another scn blog.</p>
<p>[It was Scientology Inc. paid apologist, Melton, who coined the acronym &#8220;NRM&#8221; as a substitute for &#8220;cult.&#8221;]</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 13:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-433782&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;. . . facerip someone to total freedom&quot; lol - funny!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-433782">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . facerip someone to total freedom&#8221; lol &#8211; funny!</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 13:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-433791&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aqua - Thanks again for the additional information. It&#039;s almost like I was there with you! Ser Facs may be an imaginary invention by Hubbard, yet another carrot on the stick and an obstacle to Total Freedom addressed and handled only in scn. We all know someone who will insist an opinion or belief they have is &quot;right&quot; even in the face of factual contradictory evidence. Whether that is an innate part of human psychology present in all people is debatable. For various reasons I also didn&#039;t do the ser fac processing. When ser facs come up again I&#039;ll post something and see if someone who did those processes has a different opinion.

I was a good auditor and probably could have been a good EST trainer. &quot;Come up to present time and confront your own 
Bullshit!!&quot;  How&#039;s that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-433791">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aqua &#8211; Thanks again for the additional information. It&#8217;s almost like I was there with you! Ser Facs may be an imaginary invention by Hubbard, yet another carrot on the stick and an obstacle to Total Freedom addressed and handled only in scn. We all know someone who will insist an opinion or belief they have is &#8220;right&#8221; even in the face of factual contradictory evidence. Whether that is an innate part of human psychology present in all people is debatable. For various reasons I also didn&#8217;t do the ser fac processing. When ser facs come up again I&#8217;ll post something and see if someone who did those processes has a different opinion.</p>
<p>I was a good auditor and probably could have been a good EST trainer. &#8220;Come up to present time and confront your own<br />
Bullshit!!&#8221;  How&#8217;s that?</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 23:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-433584&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard,

&quot;Bullbaiting&quot;...YES!  That&#039;s a huge part of the EST Training.  Amazing that I never made the connection with that term.  Yes, that&#039;s exactly what most of EST is - pressing peoples&#039; buttons, big time.  Insults, sarcasm, inval - oh, it was bullbaiting alright!  With the recipients having no bullwark of prior confronting drills, no OTTRO, no TRO as prepatory to handling it.  And no leaving the room with the call of nature as an excuse even if it were true.    We  really had no clue.  I&#039;d say many of us were at best surprised and/or shocked; at the least unsettled and uncomfortable - I know I was.  Some in our group really lost their shit in that room!  Which of course was the point.

Now, I can&#039;t opine in an informed way on Ser Facs because my auditing stopped at Grade O.  I did get the EP that I would not get any worse.  It felt pretty good.  But I never went further up the Bridge on the auditing side because I started getting hit up for all kinds of straight dono stuff.  I fell for that BS for a while and blew money on the IAS, Ideal Morgues, etc.  That said, I do notice that I tend to make a certain type of person - or perhaps I should phrase it as a certain demographic - wrong.  I have noticed this in myself and I&#039;m not proud of it.  

&quot;Word nerd&quot;...cute.   I&#039;m stealing that :)]]></description>
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<p>Richard,</p>
<p>&#8220;Bullbaiting&#8221;&#8230;YES!  That&#8217;s a huge part of the EST Training.  Amazing that I never made the connection with that term.  Yes, that&#8217;s exactly what most of EST is &#8211; pressing peoples&#8217; buttons, big time.  Insults, sarcasm, inval &#8211; oh, it was bullbaiting alright!  With the recipients having no bullwark of prior confronting drills, no OTTRO, no TRO as prepatory to handling it.  And no leaving the room with the call of nature as an excuse even if it were true.    We  really had no clue.  I&#8217;d say many of us were at best surprised and/or shocked; at the least unsettled and uncomfortable &#8211; I know I was.  Some in our group really lost their shit in that room!  Which of course was the point.</p>
<p>Now, I can&#8217;t opine in an informed way on Ser Facs because my auditing stopped at Grade O.  I did get the EP that I would not get any worse.  It felt pretty good.  But I never went further up the Bridge on the auditing side because I started getting hit up for all kinds of straight dono stuff.  I fell for that BS for a while and blew money on the IAS, Ideal Morgues, etc.  That said, I do notice that I tend to make a certain type of person &#8211; or perhaps I should phrase it as a certain demographic &#8211; wrong.  I have noticed this in myself and I&#8217;m not proud of it.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Word nerd&#8221;&#8230;cute.   I&#8217;m stealing that 🙂</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 23:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-433586&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard, 
Wow, yes, it does sound like that!  

An SRA - wow.  How to eliminate a PC&#039;s Ser Facs within minutes!
  
Forcefeed that cognition of magnitude - the time is now! 

 Why audit  when you can facerip someone to total freedom?]]></description>
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<p>Richard,<br />
Wow, yes, it does sound like that!  </p>
<p>An SRA &#8211; wow.  How to eliminate a PC&#8217;s Ser Facs within minutes!</p>
<p>Forcefeed that cognition of magnitude &#8211; the time is now! </p>
<p> Why audit  when you can facerip someone to total freedom?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 12:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-432872&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aqua - The trainers in EST getting in your face and having you confront your &quot;racket&quot; and whatever else also sounds like another scn term, an SRA, Severe Reality Adjustment. lol

All is fair in the quest for Enlightenment - haha]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-432872">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aqua &#8211; The trainers in EST getting in your face and having you confront your &#8220;racket&#8221; and whatever else also sounds like another scn term, an SRA, Severe Reality Adjustment. lol</p>
<p>All is fair in the quest for Enlightenment &#8211; haha</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 12:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-432872&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aqua -  Thanks for the additional information. I suspected that bullbaiting was part of EST since people are more or less locked in a room and required to be there and confront while the trainers dish out whatever processes they use. I&#039;m glad you got something useful from it and since it didn&#039;t cause you any harm then it was a worthwhile learning experience.

The service facsimile can be a confusing concept and I&#039;m now questioning whether it is even a real thing. Everyone has opinions and beliefs and we all like to be right but we all also change over time. Is there really something - - - a ser fac, a racket or some other description which causes us to act irrationally? I&#039;m questioning that right now and working on it. Maybe the next time ser fac comes up I&#039;ll have more to say. In the meantime the idea of being right is useful to keep in mind and for myself I&#039;m willing to be corrected if I have a false belief or notion without having any process run on me.

Since you&#039;re a word nerd like me I&#039;ve been doing some word clearing and here are two definitions of facsimile from two different dictionaries.

an exact copy or likeness; perfect reproduction

and - an exact copy, as of a book, painting, or manuscript.

the derivation is from Latin, fac, make + simile, similar, like
........................................................

So, supposedly, I have a copy or image (of myself) which I unknowingly continue to recreate and use to serve myself and make myself right and others wrong. It&#039;s unlikely I can discover my own ser facs by self examination which is called self auditing in scn and how important is it anyway? Like I said I&#039;m working on it - haha]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-432872">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aqua &#8211;  Thanks for the additional information. I suspected that bullbaiting was part of EST since people are more or less locked in a room and required to be there and confront while the trainers dish out whatever processes they use. I&#8217;m glad you got something useful from it and since it didn&#8217;t cause you any harm then it was a worthwhile learning experience.</p>
<p>The service facsimile can be a confusing concept and I&#8217;m now questioning whether it is even a real thing. Everyone has opinions and beliefs and we all like to be right but we all also change over time. Is there really something &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; a ser fac, a racket or some other description which causes us to act irrationally? I&#8217;m questioning that right now and working on it. Maybe the next time ser fac comes up I&#8217;ll have more to say. In the meantime the idea of being right is useful to keep in mind and for myself I&#8217;m willing to be corrected if I have a false belief or notion without having any process run on me.</p>
<p>Since you&#8217;re a word nerd like me I&#8217;ve been doing some word clearing and here are two definitions of facsimile from two different dictionaries.</p>
<p>an exact copy or likeness; perfect reproduction</p>
<p>and &#8211; an exact copy, as of a book, painting, or manuscript.</p>
<p>the derivation is from Latin, fac, make + simile, similar, like<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>So, supposedly, I have a copy or image (of myself) which I unknowingly continue to recreate and use to serve myself and make myself right and others wrong. It&#8217;s unlikely I can discover my own ser facs by self examination which is called self auditing in scn and how important is it anyway? Like I said I&#8217;m working on it &#8211; haha</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2021 10:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-432719&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere i&#039;m currently making my way through the many great books that have been written to expose the COS and I have just started Going Clear by Lawrence Wright after watching the doc - wow what a book! The history of LRH is absolutely fascinating, he really had some promising qualities (unfortunately these were heavily outweighed by the fact he just couldn&#039;t help but lie,deceive,trick, betray and destroy his way though life)- the man was definitely going to make an impact on the word its just a complete shame that the impact he decided to make was so inhumanely disastrous! now i&#039;m not saying he had the potential to do great things, he was way too much of an aggressive narcissist to benefit humanity in any real way, but I cant help but feel like he was such a waste of potential.

Imagine all the talents and charisma he did have in the body and soul of someone who really wanted to make a difference to the world -  a sad alternative to even consider......what a waste.]]></description>
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<p>Jere i&#8217;m currently making my way through the many great books that have been written to expose the COS and I have just started Going Clear by Lawrence Wright after watching the doc &#8211; wow what a book! The history of LRH is absolutely fascinating, he really had some promising qualities (unfortunately these were heavily outweighed by the fact he just couldn&#8217;t help but lie,deceive,trick, betray and destroy his way though life)- the man was definitely going to make an impact on the word its just a complete shame that the impact he decided to make was so inhumanely disastrous! now i&#8217;m not saying he had the potential to do great things, he was way too much of an aggressive narcissist to benefit humanity in any real way, but I cant help but feel like he was such a waste of potential.</p>
<p>Imagine all the talents and charisma he did have in the body and soul of someone who really wanted to make a difference to the world &#8211;  a sad alternative to even consider&#8230;&#8230;what a waste.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2021 05:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-facebook-police/#comment-431412&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard,
Before I got into Scientology I did the EST training, and afterwards some of their seminars.   I recall a BIG emphasis on bringing people into EST via word of mouth ONLY.   We were told that EST was &quot;not in the marketing business&quot;. We were told that EST did not advertise.   Later when I was in Scientology I realized why they couldn&#039;t or wouldn&#039;t advertise.  What was in the EST training was lifted from Hubbard&#039;s work.  Locks, secondaries, engrams - only they weren&#039;t called any of that.  EST didn&#039;t have their own terms for these things.  In the Training the &quot;trainers&quot; as they were called sort of baited and needled and then we the trainees would sort of pop up and start ranting...  A sort of 3 day intense hodge podge of the ARC TRiangle, &quot;recall a time that was really real to you&quot; , restimulating locks and  secondaries (there were people in my seminar both very angry and others weeping hysterically ) and then forcefeeding insights to us about what &quot;racketeers&quot; (their terminology) we all were for making ourselves right about everything and everyone else wrong all the time (service facsimiles?) 
We  weren&#039;t allowed to use the bathroom during the seminar time.  Some of us blew locks.   I know I did and it felt good for a while afterward. I also obtained some insights into some behavior and thinking of mine that I found enlightening.  I felt OK afterwards.  EST cost $350 back then.  I figured I&#039;d gotten my money&#039;s worth.  The seminars offered afterwards were very inexpensive (I forget how much, but they were cheap). The  first one after &quot;graduating&quot; from the EST Training was called &quot;Be Here Now&quot;) they started screaming  at us, insulting us. After a few seminars it got a little nuts and I decided I&#039;d had enough.]]></description>
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<p>Richard,<br />
Before I got into Scientology I did the EST training, and afterwards some of their seminars.   I recall a BIG emphasis on bringing people into EST via word of mouth ONLY.   We were told that EST was &#8220;not in the marketing business&#8221;. We were told that EST did not advertise.   Later when I was in Scientology I realized why they couldn&#8217;t or wouldn&#8217;t advertise.  What was in the EST training was lifted from Hubbard&#8217;s work.  Locks, secondaries, engrams &#8211; only they weren&#8217;t called any of that.  EST didn&#8217;t have their own terms for these things.  In the Training the &#8220;trainers&#8221; as they were called sort of baited and needled and then we the trainees would sort of pop up and start ranting&#8230;  A sort of 3 day intense hodge podge of the ARC TRiangle, &#8220;recall a time that was really real to you&#8221; , restimulating locks and  secondaries (there were people in my seminar both very angry and others weeping hysterically ) and then forcefeeding insights to us about what &#8220;racketeers&#8221; (their terminology) we all were for making ourselves right about everything and everyone else wrong all the time (service facsimiles?)<br />
We  weren&#8217;t allowed to use the bathroom during the seminar time.  Some of us blew locks.   I know I did and it felt good for a while afterward. I also obtained some insights into some behavior and thinking of mine that I found enlightening.  I felt OK afterwards.  EST cost $350 back then.  I figured I&#8217;d gotten my money&#8217;s worth.  The seminars offered afterwards were very inexpensive (I forget how much, but they were cheap). The  first one after &#8220;graduating&#8221; from the EST Training was called &#8220;Be Here Now&#8221;) they started screaming  at us, insulting us. After a few seminars it got a little nuts and I decided I&#8217;d had enough.</p>
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