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		By: blue moon		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117639</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2015 05:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117177&quot;&gt;TheHoleDoesNotExist&lt;/a&gt;.

say, TheHoleDoesNotExist, that is a fine and valid point.
It is perfectly logical that  THE TAXES on all monies accrued by persons claiming financial ruin, bankrupt, BE PAID, in full, by the church, especially every dollar that was borrowed in order to make a donation.
It is a no brainer.
A lawyer worth his salt should be able to easily label the church as predatory, also categorically harmful to society at large, as well. The IRS fined me, four years in a row paying ever dollar I didn&#039;t need for food the whole, long way and fined me again, calling the second fine - interest! 
The least they could do is impose the same (type) fines on a corrupt church.
The lawmakers are failing us, here, again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117177">TheHoleDoesNotExist</a>.</p>
<p>say, TheHoleDoesNotExist, that is a fine and valid point.<br />
It is perfectly logical that  THE TAXES on all monies accrued by persons claiming financial ruin, bankrupt, BE PAID, in full, by the church, especially every dollar that was borrowed in order to make a donation.<br />
It is a no brainer.<br />
A lawyer worth his salt should be able to easily label the church as predatory, also categorically harmful to society at large, as well. The IRS fined me, four years in a row paying ever dollar I didn&#8217;t need for food the whole, long way and fined me again, calling the second fine &#8211; interest!<br />
The least they could do is impose the same (type) fines on a corrupt church.<br />
The lawmakers are failing us, here, again.</p>
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		By: FG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117441&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Aqua, I have been through it. And I knew down deep that something was wrong, it actually was the first perception : it was no longer scientology, it was a trap. But having been parano so many time, you don&#039;t want to be that nasty and so negative. Once you want to say yes. Yes, i&#039;m good! 
Wrong, you are not good, and being good is being trapped. One has to be suspicious, watch twice before to move.
Miscavige scientology is a trap we know now, I knew then but couldn&#039;t confront. 
Leaving scientology was not the optimum move. Shooting down the mother fucker, putting this small bastered to sweep the floor would have been. 
Soon even his father will write against him. He&#039;ll loose completly his position. Even his near allies will let him down. then truth will come out. It will be impossible to stop, like a torrent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117441">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Aqua, I have been through it. And I knew down deep that something was wrong, it actually was the first perception : it was no longer scientology, it was a trap. But having been parano so many time, you don&#8217;t want to be that nasty and so negative. Once you want to say yes. Yes, i&#8217;m good!<br />
Wrong, you are not good, and being good is being trapped. One has to be suspicious, watch twice before to move.<br />
Miscavige scientology is a trap we know now, I knew then but couldn&#8217;t confront.<br />
Leaving scientology was not the optimum move. Shooting down the mother fucker, putting this small bastered to sweep the floor would have been.<br />
Soon even his father will write against him. He&#8217;ll loose completly his position. Even his near allies will let him down. then truth will come out. It will be impossible to stop, like a torrent.</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117443</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 23:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117286&quot;&gt;sashiebgood&lt;/a&gt;.

I was in, and I think his story is bullshit.  I&#039;ll bet he either declared bankruptcy, or he&#039;s still in deep debt and just lying.  The story just reeks of Scientology PR.  And Scientology PR means bullshit put a happy face on fake it &#039;til you make it Amway crap.  

Miscavige wants more money from the regular people so He made up a testimonial directed at them.  I&#039;m sure every reg is making their non-whale public read this and pushing them to go even deeper into debt.  That&#039;s why the story was made up in the first place - to beat their dead horses with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117286">sashiebgood</a>.</p>
<p>I was in, and I think his story is bullshit.  I&#8217;ll bet he either declared bankruptcy, or he&#8217;s still in deep debt and just lying.  The story just reeks of Scientology PR.  And Scientology PR means bullshit put a happy face on fake it &#8217;til you make it Amway crap.  </p>
<p>Miscavige wants more money from the regular people so He made up a testimonial directed at them.  I&#8217;m sure every reg is making their non-whale public read this and pushing them to go even deeper into debt.  That&#8217;s why the story was made up in the first place &#8211; to beat their dead horses with.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117441</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 23:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117309&quot;&gt;Espiando&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The person to blame for you giving all of your money to them isn&#039;t Miscavige, it&#039;s you.  This time, you are definitely the one who took it in.&quot;

You&#039;re 100% right, Espi.  

And what you&#039;ve stated applies not only to FG but to every one of us who did our own version of what FG did.  

No one physically forced any of us to write a check or charge up our credit cards or hand over our cash.  WE did it, and as McCarran recently pointed out, its not ALL about the money.  There was effort, there was time involved for many here.

That said, many here did what we stupidly did for the cult  because we trusted and thought we were helping. 

We were dumb to trust and not verify.  Good intentions are NOT enough. Plenty money was given and for many here,  much effort and many years of time were expended, and at least as far as the money was concerned,  none of it helped.  None of it.  Not one dime made a damned bit of difference.

So, here we are posting on this blog, in varying stages of getting over that we expended money, effort and time that served  no purpose.

That&#039;s the tough part, you see.  It didn&#039;t help.  

We read Mike&#039;s articles about these dumb still ins who donate and bloviate about all the good that their donations of money/effort/time are creating and we J &#038; D them and bash them and its all good because it helps us confront and process the fact that we did the same damned stupid things and said the same damned stupid things.

We&#039;re ex-cult members, Espi.  Be a little kinder, please.  We know better than you do how dumb we were. 

By the way,that&#039;s not to opine that you don&#039;t care. In fact, I&#039;ll go out on a limb and say that IMO, and with appearances possibly much  to the contrary, you are a sensitive individual who cares intensely.

OK, enough sentiment: Happy New Year and go fuck yourself :) :) :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117309">Espiando</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The person to blame for you giving all of your money to them isn&#8217;t Miscavige, it&#8217;s you.  This time, you are definitely the one who took it in.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re 100% right, Espi.  </p>
<p>And what you&#8217;ve stated applies not only to FG but to every one of us who did our own version of what FG did.  </p>
<p>No one physically forced any of us to write a check or charge up our credit cards or hand over our cash.  WE did it, and as McCarran recently pointed out, its not ALL about the money.  There was effort, there was time involved for many here.</p>
<p>That said, many here did what we stupidly did for the cult  because we trusted and thought we were helping. </p>
<p>We were dumb to trust and not verify.  Good intentions are NOT enough. Plenty money was given and for many here,  much effort and many years of time were expended, and at least as far as the money was concerned,  none of it helped.  None of it.  Not one dime made a damned bit of difference.</p>
<p>So, here we are posting on this blog, in varying stages of getting over that we expended money, effort and time that served  no purpose.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the tough part, you see.  It didn&#8217;t help.  </p>
<p>We read Mike&#8217;s articles about these dumb still ins who donate and bloviate about all the good that their donations of money/effort/time are creating and we J &amp; D them and bash them and its all good because it helps us confront and process the fact that we did the same damned stupid things and said the same damned stupid things.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re ex-cult members, Espi.  Be a little kinder, please.  We know better than you do how dumb we were. </p>
<p>By the way,that&#8217;s not to opine that you don&#8217;t care. In fact, I&#8217;ll go out on a limb and say that IMO, and with appearances possibly much  to the contrary, you are a sensitive individual who cares intensely.</p>
<p>OK, enough sentiment: Happy New Year and go fuck yourself 🙂 🙂 🙂</p>
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		By: Theta Clear		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 22:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117422&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

By the way,  those OSA (GO) &quot;advises&quot; , were not advises at all but &quot;limited distribution&quot; policies.  They WERE signed by LRH ; I have studied them ALL ,   the full hat. Let&#039;s not change the history here. 

TC]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117422">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>By the way,  those OSA (GO) &#8220;advises&#8221; , were not advises at all but &#8220;limited distribution&#8221; policies.  They WERE signed by LRH ; I have studied them ALL ,   the full hat. Let&#8217;s not change the history here. </p>
<p>TC</p>
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		By: Theta Clear		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Theta Clear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117422&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Aqua , there are many &quot;White on Green&quot; policies that are as destructive as those &quot;confidential&quot; OSA (actually GO) &quot;advises&quot;. I&#039;ll be very happy to quote them for you should you be willing to publicly discuss them with me with no Q&#038;Aing with my questions. Let me know if you wish to engage in such a debate. If not,  then you should not make such uninformed and generalized statements.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117422">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Aqua , there are many &#8220;White on Green&#8221; policies that are as destructive as those &#8220;confidential&#8221; OSA (actually GO) &#8220;advises&#8221;. I&#8217;ll be very happy to quote them for you should you be willing to publicly discuss them with me with no Q&amp;Aing with my questions. Let me know if you wish to engage in such a debate. If not,  then you should not make such uninformed and generalized statements.  </p>
<p>Peter</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117303&quot;&gt;McCarran&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s because the Church knows it is finished and its only a matter of time before the next shoe drops, and the next and then the  next, and so on,  so any money that can be milked or bilked out of the koolaid drinkers now has to be gotten while it is still possible to do so, and the hell with stupid suckers if they&#039;re bankrupted, ARC broken, etc.  If the Sheeple don&#039;t like it they&#039;re kicked to the curb, disposed of quietly and without sorrow,  and the focus stays on whoever is left - theoretically until the last cultie leaves the building, I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117303">McCarran</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because the Church knows it is finished and its only a matter of time before the next shoe drops, and the next and then the  next, and so on,  so any money that can be milked or bilked out of the koolaid drinkers now has to be gotten while it is still possible to do so, and the hell with stupid suckers if they&#8217;re bankrupted, ARC broken, etc.  If the Sheeple don&#8217;t like it they&#8217;re kicked to the curb, disposed of quietly and without sorrow,  and the focus stays on whoever is left &#8211; theoretically until the last cultie leaves the building, I guess.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117422&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Edit: &quot;These are followed to the letter&quot;.]]></description>
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<p>Edit: &#8220;These are followed to the letter&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117330&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Very true, Indie.  The only LRH policies followed now are the destructive ones, the OSA advices and so forth, that public are not allowed to read. These they followed to the letter.  As for the rest, the policies in Green On White that anyone can read, well, better not quote any of THAT if you know what&#039;s good for you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117330">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Very true, Indie.  The only LRH policies followed now are the destructive ones, the OSA advices and so forth, that public are not allowed to read. These they followed to the letter.  As for the rest, the policies in Green On White that anyone can read, well, better not quote any of THAT if you know what&#8217;s good for you.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117334&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Indie, that is one spot on mixed metaphor. Permission to steal it please?  I still occasionally receive isolated and no doubt desperate begging snail mail from the cult for one thing or another. I would love to be able to write back, &quot;Hey, guys, what&#039;s the story?  Are you farming the minnows now that you&#039;ve beached all the whales?&quot; :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-the-reality/#comment-117334">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Indie, that is one spot on mixed metaphor. Permission to steal it please?  I still occasionally receive isolated and no doubt desperate begging snail mail from the cult for one thing or another. I would love to be able to write back, &#8220;Hey, guys, what&#8217;s the story?  Are you farming the minnows now that you&#8217;ve beached all the whales?&#8221; 🙂</p>
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