LRH prttoduced a fart 13,67 billion years ago. Some like the smell and others hate it.

Jere, I started out at NY Org in 1971-72 but met you when I joined staff at AOLA in 1973. You were Deputy/Dissem Sec. to Priscilla Gunn who was Dissem Sec. if I recall correctly. Dissem was on 8th Avenue I think with all the letter registrars and Central Files and Addresso. Always thought you were a decent boss,
Priscilla was kind of extreme, huge mood swings but maybe that was just the pressure on her. — Peter

Like a fart in a fire. A quick puff of flame and it’s gone.

That’s true, but I was referring to staff, not public. STAFF know. They can’t not know.

Castles made out of sand make it until someone step on them or the sea brings them back.

yes, correct. There are people who drift to the anti-Christ. It is ok.

Since it’s come up again I’m bring this forward from the Nov. 10 topic for anyone interested.

Wynski says

November 10, 2019 at 11:37 am
He was such an idiot (Hubtard) that he was wholly incapable of maintaining internal consistency in the mythology he created.

Hubtard datum: You are an immortal all powerful spirit who cannot be harmed..

Hubtard datum: You as an immortal all powerful spirit who cannot be harmed have “had it” if you don’t pay money and do what I say.

I am SO glad that I really do have a high IQ so was able to see his lies early on.

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Imaberrated says

November 10, 2019 at 6:00 pm
The way I interpreted it was this: we are immortal spiritual beings, so we can’t be killed. However, we are aberrated, and are stuck in a body cycle and are unaware of this. So if we don’t get out of the trap with Scientology, we won’t escape the cycle, and that’s our entrapment. He’s saying we’re gods, but unaware of it. These two ideas can work together.

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George M. White says

November 11, 2019 at 6:43 am
This idea is basically Satanic. If you carefully read classical definitions of Satan, you will see it clearly. Hubbard omitted love and friendship, but used the deceptive powers of Satan – mythical or otherwise – to fool people.

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Aquamarine says

November 11, 2019 at 7:44 pm
George, there’s no such entity as Satan.

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George M. White says

November 12, 2019 at 9:24 am
Not true. Satan in classical definitions was defined as a deranged mind.

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Aquamarine says

November 12, 2019 at 3:44 pm
Oh, I see. Ok, I haven’t read those definitions but that makes sense. ” Satan” = “A deranged mind.”. So in classical definitions its just a catch-all word for mental illness

In my own defense, George, I was referring to, and denying the existence of the mythical Satan, that creature depicted throughout the ages in art and elsewhere as having horns and a tail – you know, Rosemary’s Baby Satan, the Exorcist Satan, endless examples in ancient art of an actual BEING or creature, etc.

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George M. White says

November 12, 2019 at 6:32 pm
You are correct in the sense that the Western Satan depicted in art does not exist as a “being”. The Middle Ages wanted to control people so they invented this beast to scare them.
Milton’s Paradise Lost is actually an Occult poem based on classical definitions. While he does not outright come out and say deranged mind, one reaches that conclusion after multiple reads. The key to classical definitions is the idea of pride and this is what leads to Satan’s decline. But the point is that anyone can have pride and this, in a classical sense, is the start of the deranged mind. Milton describes beings with OT powers who have earned their power by being pure. The Greeks and Romans had the same idea, but most of their gods had incomplete OT powers because they were flawed in some sense.
In classical Buddhism, Mara is sort of the equivalent of Satan but is defined differently. Mara is not a permanent being like Satan, but represents the deranged mind which could posses anyone. The most deranged mind of the day is Mara and it changes constantly.

Cindy, I didn’t write your comment, although I liked it. There are two Cindy’s and I’ve been posting here for years. Maybe you could add a Cindy1 or Cindy2 to your name? Just a suggestion.

They may not know if they purposefully don’t go in to the org or anything. Years ago even before it was this bad, an OT friend of mine told me, “don’t go in to the orgs, not any of them, because the reges wait outside the course room for you and you can’t even leave when course is over cuz they accost you for money and walk you out to your car and won’t leave.” Her advice to me at that time was to just do correspondence courses so that you don’t have to go into an org and also so that it appears like you are fully on board as a good little Scn. So if people are staying out of the orgs, they may not see how badly the staff and public have dwindled.