Scientology has been desperately trying to generate some goodwill in Clearwater.
They are advertising on local radio for people to watch ScientologyTV (you can bet that isn’t working)…
They are sponsoring Tweets every day like this one.
The problem is, those first two comments are only the tip of the iceberg. Here are the rest of them (haven’t looked for an update since I wrote this a couple of days ago — but I am sure things have NOT improved).
Not a SINGLE supportive reply — and I assume they have been deleting “entheta” responses fairly routinely.
They also tried to hold a “Block Party” for the community. That resulted in some national media coverage:
They ran these photos in the article that had been taken by Clay Irwin:
Scientology’s vast wealth may buy it property.
What it doesn’t buy is goodwill.
The level of goodwill towards scientology in the Clearwater community is flat-lined zero. It could not get lower.
They need to go back to the “tech,” find their misunderstoods and start applying it correctly. Hubbard says that “his PR tech” is the long enough lever to move the world. But then again, he also claimed the planet was being cleared soon. And that getting rid of BT’s “being cancer” would cure cancer cases.
Dwarfenführer…. great nick name for Miscarriage.
The photo of “normal” *snort Clams … That was taken on the deck outside the Sandcastle hotel restaurant, they had to move a couple tables and chairs to get this shot.
(I sat there for a couple years during at meal breaks)
I see creepy when I see this pic. It hides so much truth. Like how the hotel is seamlessly connected to the Flag AO (that entrance, around the building from this deck, has the OT fountain).
You don’t pass that reception area unless you have been thoroughly vetted by the Flag MAA, passing the expanded A-J metered interview wherein you’ll be closely questioned about who you are connected to in life, any shred of anti-scio taint, and so much more. Your family, spouse, children, possible crimes, everything is asked about and grilled further into. It’s all recorded on video and detailed notes are kept of everything you say…. And that’s just the A-J!! (sooo much more invasive questions await you after you’re accepted! Yay!)
You have to be on a paid service with security clearance to bop around those halls.
Because we’re all auditing top secret dead thetans stuck to us and that shit ain’t for prime time.
So……
That deck?
That tree branch?
Here or there, occasionally, a real person may stand there…Flag likes to make a big deal out of inviting people to its clammy restaurants, open door policy….
But don’t stray when looking for the bathroom. Where the brick tile ends, so do your prying eyes.
And… If those Normal Clams in the picture are not Clear and above, accepted for PAID service?.., this is about as far as even they can go on that property.
Flag! The Friendliest Place on Earth!
(It’s in all their promo)
Castles made out of sand make it until someone step on them or the sea brings them back.
Like a fart in a fire. A quick puff of flame and it’s gone.
LRH prttoduced a fart 13,67 billion years ago. Some like the smell and others hate it.
Wow! Dwarfenführer must be kicking holes in the walls arond him — very teeny-tiny holes.
WOW….so NOW I fully and completely understand the statement that has irritated me for years:
“WHAT IF I GAVE A PARTY AND NOBODY CAME”……
WHEW….glad I can cross that off my bucket list.
Balletlady, if YOU gave a party and I could get there, someone would attend.
Thanks Jere!!!!!!!
I’ve had many parties & Holiday celebrations & pretty much had a FULL house! People of all faiths, colors, religions & backgrounds were and still are always welcome!
I’d love to have a few COS members attend, especially the “younger ones”….& I would try my all my might to have them CALL THEIR PARENTS.
Everyone please have a nice Thanksgiving Day….one day, what has been taken or stolen from you shall be returned.
This also shows that Scientology doesn’t even have that many public members left in Clearwater, who they can get to come out and make a local event appear a success. Apparently it wasn’t a priority to take SO off their 18 hours a day posts to have them put on civilian clothes and show up pretending to be a crowd – though I expect that after this “flap” they may pull out the stops next time.
Hopefully the locals will boycott Winter Wonderland, too. Perhaps they’ve realized that anything that normalizes Scientology, actually just enables the cult and its attempts to take over the city.
Peacemaker, that WAS them pulling out all the stops. Every “local” scn was ordered, upon pain of being visited by Davey-Boy, to show up, so we can see how EMPTY the Fort Harassing, SandCastle, and Oak Cove, all just a block (or less) from the party are. Heck, they could have brought everyone local on their big, bad busses, too. Guess they probably did; we just didn’t get pics, and no people were there to get out anyway.
Misunderstoods? Use the TECH? I think not.
The cult will fail in their PR attempts for the simple reason that they have no heart nor positive emotions to connect up with the rest of us. Over the years they have become hardened to humanity; much like white supremacists, antifa, and ISIS.
yes
Racial characteristics aren’t chosen and therefore irrelevant to human actions. What’s subject to choice is a person’s beliefs and the actions derived from those beliefs. For the record Timothy McVeigh himself was a racial collectivist who rejected human rights and human reason. As a result he rejected human reality. The actual Patriot Movement at that time fully rejected McVeigh, his beliefs, and his actions. This rejection was based on the actual moral values that were actually chosen.
When it comes to Disgustingness, Flog surpasses even the Blood and Soil crowd.
Wow, that is perfect feedback and much deserved. I am still laughing at the comments.
Clay Irwin did mankind a great service when he published those pics. While ROR can be pretty stupid in much of its coverage of any story, this one told the tale nicely. But they didn’t have to bring in Tom Cruise to sell this story, the empty seats and empty streets tell the tale.
Flog must have amazing influence in Clearwater to be able to RENT a fire truck, along with a fireman to DRIVE this vehicle, to a NON-fire!
Aren’t fire trucks the property of TAXPAYERS?
Where I live there are many block parties for one reason or another, but renting a FIRE TRUCK to block the view of one of them gone bust could never happen!
Forgive the naivete of a woman who lives and works in a large city and as such is unfamiliar with how such things can be arranged in “Mayberry”.
AquaMarine, it doesn’t require *influence* to get a fire truck & driver, just enough MONEY. Clearwater is doomed by the amount of money the 4-foot 12.5-inch punching pontiff is willing to throw at the situation.
That block party, and those replies, could have major impact on those who got to see them. I wonder what steps they are taking to deny these huge downstat events were anything but a success? As for that photo of happy people, don’t regular people hanging out near the bay in Clearwater often wear shorts? Only one female and two males are wearing shorts in the photo, and one looks like a Boy Scout uniform. It makes me think maybe they don’t have any after-work recreational wear, because they don’t have any recreation, and never get off work.
That “Eff off” comment was simply stunning. Nothing could have revealed the feelings of the community better. Imagine Tom’s reception if or when he is seen out and about his new digs.
Yup! internally, it will be billed as “THE BEST PARTY EVAH!” Even those who were there will be taken in by the PR.
Correction: the ONE person there will be fooled by their “acceptable truth” [AKA, flat-out lies.]
Bwahahahahahahahahahahah!!! Nobody came! Well, I did see one person. We need to put up a sign saying: LEAVE!!! NOW!
Great article, Mike! Scn threw a party and nobody came. So how did they get a fire truck to come block an entrance just for DM so that passersby wouldn’t know the event was a bust? Is the fire dept now in Scn’s pocket and on the payroll?
Before reading your comment I just posted this same question!
It seems Dwarfenführer’s minions completely missed out finding the right “buttons” in their surveys. Oh, RIGHT! Dwarfenführer JUST THUNK IT UP IN HIS VERY OWN echoingly empty brain.
I take that back; it’s not necessarily empty, it could be chock-full of whiskey.
My local org (church, HA!) stopped paying it’s evening and weekend staff. They are working for nothing. When it had it’s grand opening three years ago, it had 200 staff on the day and a little less on foundation. They now have fifteen day and fifteen foundation staff.
It is an utter failure, and only the people on the inside that are being kept blind do not know.
Thanks for the on the ground observation. I’m not convinced the insiders are blind.
How could anyone not see the difference between 400 and 30?
Don’t kid yourself. They KNOW. They may pretend, these staff, pretend not to know, but that’s an act. They know. They see. There’s nothing they don’t know.
They may not know if they purposefully don’t go in to the org or anything. Years ago even before it was this bad, an OT friend of mine told me, “don’t go in to the orgs, not any of them, because the reges wait outside the course room for you and you can’t even leave when course is over cuz they accost you for money and walk you out to your car and won’t leave.” Her advice to me at that time was to just do correspondence courses so that you don’t have to go into an org and also so that it appears like you are fully on board as a good little Scn. So if people are staying out of the orgs, they may not see how badly the staff and public have dwindled.
That’s true, but I was referring to staff, not public. STAFF know. They can’t not know.
Dotey, if they’re no longer paying “foundation” staff, are all those people then expect to moonlight or be supported by spouses, or else be retired? And for how many of the day staff, who aren’t making subsistence wages regardless, is that the case, as well?
They other thing I’ve been trying to figure out, is if there are 30 staff, and we see pictures with at most 2 or 3 times that many people at org events, are a lot of those people then members who are also on staff? And are some of the staff positions part time, or do they really have 15 people on staff all day every day when they have only a relatively small number of active members?
Thanks for the reports.
Oh, and we’ve been seeing evidence of their “you can have it all” campaign here, and reports that staff were being guaranteed better weekly pay, that must not be working out….
Doaty, does that mean that at one time they DID pay their staff? In the early ’70s, NY org paid so little that most all staff had to work 40-hour weeks at minimum-wage rates to get by. I know because I was working right alongside them as a public student trying to get by, myself.
More: NY Org was PACKED at the time, and was one of the bigger orgs in the US, so had income coming in.
Jere, I started out at NY Org in 1971-72 but met you when I joined staff at AOLA in 1973. You were Deputy/Dissem Sec. to Priscilla Gunn who was Dissem Sec. if I recall correctly. Dissem was on 8th Avenue I think with all the letter registrars and Central Files and Addresso. Always thought you were a decent boss,
Priscilla was kind of extreme, huge mood swings but maybe that was just the pressure on her. — Peter
Doty, where is your org that you speak of?
from the evidence it there are only about 5 scamologists (non-staff) that live in the area….
Wynski, which area is that? AFAICT, it’s tough to get 5 scns together from all of the US. Mscabbage and cruise may amount to most of the active ones left, and Davey never was active hisself; hasn’t studied or been audited since before ’76,j IIRC.
C..W.
I really don’t have a comment.
There is no way that an anti-Christian cult can get good Public Relations at present. By definition, they are Satanic. This has been totally missed by Miscavige when he trashed the OT VIII documents where Hubbard admitted his desire to be the anti-Christ. If you do all of the e-meter steps that Hubbard laid out, you still get no OT powers. Scientology rather than lie and try to cover up their evil, would be far better off to follow the route recommended by Hubbard. Hubbard basically said to follow Satan. Period. As a matter of fact, one of the primary attributes of Satan is the ability to lie and deceive. How can you market Christian values when you are against them? You get a few rich celebrities who support the church because they are exempt from the BS.
They are not “Satanic.” The Church of Satan is a force for freedom in the world, and does not worship Satan or even believe that is an entity that truly exists. (Because it doesn’t.) Christianity has also done, and is doing, PLENTY of terrible things in the world.
Scientology is a destructive cult, but being against Christianity (which Christianity?) does not make them evil, if they even are. Anyway, they’re not “Satanic.” They’re entirely human, as is every other destructive cult in the world, including the Christian ones.
Hey Lliiira – How about a bit of Satan bringing some life and freedom to the ladies social club?
“Year Zero” by “Ghost”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkBt7yLXyDk
P.S. Satanism has been discussed several times over the last two weeks. Scan the comments.
Rudiculous. I was very active in Scientology for 35 years, accomplished “tech” person … Never heard or read LRH say even once to “follow Satan” … (though I admit that I never read his secret underground book, “Blavatsky, the Devil and Me” ) …
What you are saying is contradictory. These Satanic people simply reflect a common characteristic of the human mind. They can be Satanic but claim freedom by their definition. Scientology is Satanic because it follows the classical definition of Satan. The church of Satan can have its own definition but it does not make it correct by accepted standards.
It is also very difficult to define a Satanic Church but then claim that Satan does not exist. It is OK within their own definition but need not be accepted by others as is any other religion. My kids and I discussed all of this at length twenty years ago. Personally, I think the classical definition applies to Hubbard as Satan so Satan did exist in him in whatever way you want to define it.
Hi George – Here’s the last part of a comment you made back on Nov. 10 which I’m picking up on.
“Scientology can buy downtown Clearwater and develop it along what ever lines they want. They are not going to get public acceptance. Best strategy is to put them into a “fish tank” environment. Buses driving around downtown Clearwater showing the fish to the tourist public.”
Lancaster, Pennsylvania has a thriving tourist industry with many thousands of people visiting to watch the Amish ride in horse and buggy and see how they live and work without electricity and internal combustion engines. A guided bus tour of downtown Clearwater has profit potential.
The tours and exhibitions about the Amish explain some of the beliefs and practices of the Amish without being critical or judgmental which is the way I would run the bus tours without any mention of controversy.
Most tourists to Lancaster only spend a day or two while Clearwater has the advantage of all the other Florida attractions encouraging vacationers to have a longer stay after visiting the Scientology Vatican.
Richard,
It’s interesting that you said that because I have thought the exact same thing…have walking tours go through the down town. Guides could expose Scientology practices, all the while pointing out points of interest, i.e. where Lisa McPherson was held against her will or what the corrupt uses of the building’s are for. Monies raised to go to the Aftermath Foundation while being an irritant to the scn community.
Cindy – My idea is more educational than confrontational. A tour bus might include some matter of fact descriptions of parts of scientology like the billion year contract and the Purification Rundown. People don’t go on vacation to engage in controversy and Scientologists would be hard pressed to object to a matter of fact presentation of some of their “non confidential” beliefs.
And besides, haha, “See where Tom Cruise lives” might be a good draw for a tour bus. The Beverly Hills “See where the stars live” tour buses remain profitable.
Cindy, I didn’t write your comment, although I liked it. There are two Cindy’s and I’ve been posting here for years. Maybe you could add a Cindy1 or Cindy2 to your name? Just a suggestion.
All correct
Lliira, Even scns still “in” don’t know about the Satan thing, so it doesn’t affect scn’s PR one way or the other. From some comments I’ve seen, scn has gotten bump-ups in recruiting when it was “revealed” that Tubby was Satanic, or had been a follower. Some folks LIKE the idea, or it fits with their self-image or something.
yes, correct. There are people who drift to the anti-Christ. It is ok.
Since it’s come up again I’m bring this forward from the Nov. 10 topic for anyone interested.
Wynski says
November 10, 2019 at 11:37 am
He was such an idiot (Hubtard) that he was wholly incapable of maintaining internal consistency in the mythology he created.
Hubtard datum: You are an immortal all powerful spirit who cannot be harmed..
Hubtard datum: You as an immortal all powerful spirit who cannot be harmed have “had it” if you don’t pay money and do what I say.
I am SO glad that I really do have a high IQ so was able to see his lies early on.
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Imaberrated says
November 10, 2019 at 6:00 pm
The way I interpreted it was this: we are immortal spiritual beings, so we can’t be killed. However, we are aberrated, and are stuck in a body cycle and are unaware of this. So if we don’t get out of the trap with Scientology, we won’t escape the cycle, and that’s our entrapment. He’s saying we’re gods, but unaware of it. These two ideas can work together.
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George M. White says
November 11, 2019 at 6:43 am
This idea is basically Satanic. If you carefully read classical definitions of Satan, you will see it clearly. Hubbard omitted love and friendship, but used the deceptive powers of Satan – mythical or otherwise – to fool people.
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Aquamarine says
November 11, 2019 at 7:44 pm
George, there’s no such entity as Satan.
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George M. White says
November 12, 2019 at 9:24 am
Not true. Satan in classical definitions was defined as a deranged mind.
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Aquamarine says
November 12, 2019 at 3:44 pm
Oh, I see. Ok, I haven’t read those definitions but that makes sense. ” Satan” = “A deranged mind.”. So in classical definitions its just a catch-all word for mental illness
In my own defense, George, I was referring to, and denying the existence of the mythical Satan, that creature depicted throughout the ages in art and elsewhere as having horns and a tail – you know, Rosemary’s Baby Satan, the Exorcist Satan, endless examples in ancient art of an actual BEING or creature, etc.
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George M. White says
November 12, 2019 at 6:32 pm
You are correct in the sense that the Western Satan depicted in art does not exist as a “being”. The Middle Ages wanted to control people so they invented this beast to scare them.
Milton’s Paradise Lost is actually an Occult poem based on classical definitions. While he does not outright come out and say deranged mind, one reaches that conclusion after multiple reads. The key to classical definitions is the idea of pride and this is what leads to Satan’s decline. But the point is that anyone can have pride and this, in a classical sense, is the start of the deranged mind. Milton describes beings with OT powers who have earned their power by being pure. The Greeks and Romans had the same idea, but most of their gods had incomplete OT powers because they were flawed in some sense.
In classical Buddhism, Mara is sort of the equivalent of Satan but is defined differently. Mara is not a permanent being like Satan, but represents the deranged mind which could posses anyone. The most deranged mind of the day is Mara and it changes constantly.
That ‘Huge’ group of $’s in that advertisement/whatever, is very telling; where are the ‘Thousands’ showing their support? Is Everyone Else ‘out-of-town’ for Thanksgiving (which is still almost a week away!)?
Beylinda, Canada’s Thanksgiving celebration is back in October, I believe. That’s where all the scns got to.
Thanks Mike,
Those unfavorable comments tend to show it was another foot bullet for the cult. Or maybe foot bomb.
Here’s my response to their tweet:
“I want my son back.”
Hi Mary. Those 5 words just break my heart. Sending you a big hug from Vancouver, Canada. May Sammy come home for Christmas.
I appreciate the sentiment. Hope springs eternal.
We want him back for you too. Praying for that.
Are they still photoshopping their event photos with duplicates and dummies? I bet they’d do this here and export it out to the “rest of the world” ie, the other failing smaller orgs boasting how popular they are. It’s amazing just how full of shit they are and how well they hide this fact from their bubble dwellers. Certainly, seems that society has Scientology’s number thanks to continuing to speak the truth.
We just need to keep up the good dissem work, because truth outs their lies. They may have all the high powered lawyers money can buy and be masters at manipulating the legal system, but they cannot buy their way out of this PR nightmare.
It is great to see the general public has a good reality on how criminal scientology is under the leadership of miscavige.
Narcissist arrogance has a lot to do with it and sure miscavige has succeeded in getting as many people away from him and scientology as possible.
T
The Church of Scientology has all the credibility of the NSDAP.
Which is to say none at all.
Well, if instead of blaming SPs, Black PR and psychs for the enmity toward them, they looked at their responsibility for creating negative public attitudes toward them because of what they do that is abhorrent and detestable, and then cleaned up their act, maybe they would not be the pariahs they are. But…nah…they are right and the rest of the world is wrong.
The Church of Scientology preaches the taking of personal and organizational responsibility as the only effective method of improving unwanted conditions. Now, while they are busy urging the application of this concept for everyone except their own organization they are also reserving the right to forever be utterly innocent, blameless, well meaning victims of the evil actions and intentions of others when THEY experience unwanted conditions! The cult NEVER takes responsibility. Never! Its amazing, really!
SSOA, they CAN’T find anything connected to scientology as a “why” something failed; it’s VERBOTEN. By definition, scn and its ruling class are perfect and infallible, so if they ordered you to do something, it’s of COURSE the only reasonable and sane thing to do.