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		By: Cayden		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I survived the Titanic, was a Pharaoh in Egypt, a reptilian invader on Mars,  a whale,  a dung beetle, a World War one soldier,  a Galactic ruler... wait!... was it all just imaginary???  <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f606.png" alt="😆" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f606.png" alt="😆" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f606.png" alt="😆" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I survived the Titanic, was a Pharaoh in Egypt, a reptilian invader on Mars,  a whale,  a dung beetle, a World War one soldier,  a Galactic ruler&#8230; wait!&#8230; was it all just imaginary???  😆😂😆😂😆</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-296646</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Sep 2019 01:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295460&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

MB, I&#039;m particularly curious about Hubbard&#039;s familiarity confusion technique.  Its originator, Milton Erickson, was based in Phoenix after 1948, and I wonder if Hubbard might have picked up on his ideas while he was in the city in the early 1950s, perhaps second-hand.

I was only previously familiar with Erickson&#039;s first notable writings on the subject in the mid-1960s, though I know that he discovered the basic principles much earlier.  But I just discovered that Arnie Lerma tracked down this earlier publication that could be a source for Hubbard:

THE CONFUSION TECHNIQUE
by Milton Erickson
Excerpted from Experimental Hypnosis
by Leslie LeCron,
first published in 1948
from a chapter titled: &quot;Deep Hypnosis Techniques&quot;
http://alerma.powweb.com/scientology/confusion-technique2.htm

By the way, I know from a couple of subjects that I am particularly familiar with, that Hubbard seems to have had oddly fragmented knowledge of some of the things he refers to and even uses.  I finally found a quote from his second wife Sara, explaining that he really wasn&#039;t the sort to work through a book of someone else&#039;s ideas, and for instance relied on her for his knowledge of Korzybski&#039;s General Semantics, that he relied on heavily for &quot;work&quot; like his Logics and Axioms.  I don&#039;t know that he can necessarily be credited with really having read any source material on his own, other than perhaps some of the stuff he encountered early on like Crowley.

Google Books shows 13 matches for &quot;confusion&quot; in the book, thought it will on show me 3 of them.

Atack also says:

&#039;In lectures given in 1950, Hubbard recommended three books on hypnotism to his followers: &quot;Anyone in doubt as to how hypnotism works need only consult the authoritative books on the subject by Estabrooks [George Hoben Estabrooks, Hypnotism]. In fact, this is recommended as a means of proving that Dianetics and hypnotism are total strangers.” (R&#038;D 4, p.345); &quot;There is a little book by a man by the name of Young written about 1899, which contains in it about as much hypnosis as one ever wants. It is called Twenty-Five Lessons in Hypnosis ... Practically everything in that book works, and clairvoyance, mesmerism and so forth are also delineated” (R&#038;D 1, p.307); the third, and most significant, work recommended is Wolfe and Rosenthal&#039;s Hypnotism Comes of Age (R&#038;D2, p.12).&#039;

Those other two look interesting as well.

p.s.  I also ran across this, which apparently itself refers to some of the above books:  A Critical History of Hypnotism: The Unauthorized Story by Saul Marc Rosenfeld]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295460">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>MB, I&#8217;m particularly curious about Hubbard&#8217;s familiarity confusion technique.  Its originator, Milton Erickson, was based in Phoenix after 1948, and I wonder if Hubbard might have picked up on his ideas while he was in the city in the early 1950s, perhaps second-hand.</p>
<p>I was only previously familiar with Erickson&#8217;s first notable writings on the subject in the mid-1960s, though I know that he discovered the basic principles much earlier.  But I just discovered that Arnie Lerma tracked down this earlier publication that could be a source for Hubbard:</p>
<p>THE CONFUSION TECHNIQUE<br />
by Milton Erickson<br />
Excerpted from Experimental Hypnosis<br />
by Leslie LeCron,<br />
first published in 1948<br />
from a chapter titled: &#8220;Deep Hypnosis Techniques&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://alerma.powweb.com/scientology/confusion-technique2.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://alerma.powweb.com/scientology/confusion-technique2.htm</a></p>
<p>By the way, I know from a couple of subjects that I am particularly familiar with, that Hubbard seems to have had oddly fragmented knowledge of some of the things he refers to and even uses.  I finally found a quote from his second wife Sara, explaining that he really wasn&#8217;t the sort to work through a book of someone else&#8217;s ideas, and for instance relied on her for his knowledge of Korzybski&#8217;s General Semantics, that he relied on heavily for &#8220;work&#8221; like his Logics and Axioms.  I don&#8217;t know that he can necessarily be credited with really having read any source material on his own, other than perhaps some of the stuff he encountered early on like Crowley.</p>
<p>Google Books shows 13 matches for &#8220;confusion&#8221; in the book, thought it will on show me 3 of them.</p>
<p>Atack also says:</p>
<p>&#8216;In lectures given in 1950, Hubbard recommended three books on hypnotism to his followers: &#8220;Anyone in doubt as to how hypnotism works need only consult the authoritative books on the subject by Estabrooks [George Hoben Estabrooks, Hypnotism]. In fact, this is recommended as a means of proving that Dianetics and hypnotism are total strangers.” (R&amp;D 4, p.345); &#8220;There is a little book by a man by the name of Young written about 1899, which contains in it about as much hypnosis as one ever wants. It is called Twenty-Five Lessons in Hypnosis &#8230; Practically everything in that book works, and clairvoyance, mesmerism and so forth are also delineated” (R&amp;D 1, p.307); the third, and most significant, work recommended is Wolfe and Rosenthal&#8217;s Hypnotism Comes of Age (R&amp;D2, p.12).&#8217;</p>
<p>Those other two look interesting as well.</p>
<p>p.s.  I also ran across this, which apparently itself refers to some of the above books:  A Critical History of Hypnotism: The Unauthorized Story by Saul Marc Rosenfeld</p>
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		By: dchoiceisalwaysrs		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2019 05:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295213&quot;&gt;Francis Daniel Pastorius&lt;/a&gt;.

@ Francis D  you said &quot;The main struggle in life is against one’s own faulty thinking&quot;

I agree and also the emotional co-factor.   Do you have any recommended reading on reducing that faulty thinking?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295213">Francis Daniel Pastorius</a>.</p>
<p>@ Francis D  you said &#8220;The main struggle in life is against one’s own faulty thinking&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree and also the emotional co-factor.   Do you have any recommended reading on reducing that faulty thinking?</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2019 05:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.&quot;

Voltaire]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.&#8221;</p>
<p>Voltaire</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295775</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2019 01:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295658&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

It IS on a confidential HCOB and a tape I think. What does that have to do with you thinking it was squirrel?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295658">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>It IS on a confidential HCOB and a tape I think. What does that have to do with you thinking it was squirrel?</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 21:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295658&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Wynski - I had guessed that if the Clear Cog came from Elron it would be on a confidential bulletin available  only to auditors who were Clear and above. Also, Mayo may have omitted mentioning it in his article about Clear since that would be &quot;feeding a cognition&quot; to PRE Clears.

Some of my neuro synapses continue to function, thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295658">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Wynski &#8211; I had guessed that if the Clear Cog came from Elron it would be on a confidential bulletin available  only to auditors who were Clear and above. Also, Mayo may have omitted mentioning it in his article about Clear since that would be &#8220;feeding a cognition&#8221; to PRE Clears.</p>
<p>Some of my neuro synapses continue to function, thank you.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 15:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295523&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard said, &quot;Cindy – I don’t know where the idea of “I mocked it all up” comes from. To me it sounds “squirrel” (non Hubbard).&quot;

Richard here is the confidential &quot;clear cognition&quot; from Hubtard hisself. Clear occurs when one stops mocking up bank, or realizes he : is doing it. This is the Clear Cognition.

You constantly underestimate Hubtard&#039;s evil and calculated scam.  You need more anti-brainwashing therapy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295523">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Richard said, &#8220;Cindy – I don’t know where the idea of “I mocked it all up” comes from. To me it sounds “squirrel” (non Hubbard).&#8221;</p>
<p>Richard here is the confidential &#8220;clear cognition&#8221; from Hubtard hisself. Clear occurs when one stops mocking up bank, or realizes he : is doing it. This is the Clear Cognition.</p>
<p>You constantly underestimate Hubtard&#8217;s evil and calculated scam.  You need more anti-brainwashing therapy.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295613&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

I had a pc in session who recalled being a cannibal. He said that at that time he despised the taste of dark meat. I guess he preferred breast meat over leg or thigh.

 &quot;This lifetime&quot; was spoken as casually in scientology as being &quot;saved&quot; might be spoken in a Christian organization.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295613">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>I had a pc in session who recalled being a cannibal. He said that at that time he despised the taste of dark meat. I guess he preferred breast meat over leg or thigh.</p>
<p> &#8220;This lifetime&#8221; was spoken as casually in scientology as being &#8220;saved&#8221; might be spoken in a Christian organization.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295565&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

He is no longer with us.

And his gag order was part of settling a case with lawyers on his side. Debbie Cooks was an agreement signed under duress without a lawyer when she was trying to leave. Apples and oranges. Debbies later agreement after scientology sued her and she had a lawyer representing her is definitely enforceable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-knowingness/#comment-295565">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>He is no longer with us.</p>
<p>And his gag order was part of settling a case with lawyers on his side. Debbie Cooks was an agreement signed under duress without a lawyer when she was trying to leave. Apples and oranges. Debbies later agreement after scientology sued her and she had a lawyer representing her is definitely enforceable.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian says he met many people who mentioned glorious past lives but you weren&#039;t supposed to talk about your &quot;case&quot; out of session. I only recall one friend who mentioned a glorious past life. He had occupied some type of machine body and thought it was great fun that he could do all sorts of extraordinary things you can&#039;t do while occupying a meat sack. &quot;I&#039;ll be back&quot; haha]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian says he met many people who mentioned glorious past lives but you weren&#8217;t supposed to talk about your &#8220;case&#8221; out of session. I only recall one friend who mentioned a glorious past life. He had occupied some type of machine body and thought it was great fun that he could do all sorts of extraordinary things you can&#8217;t do while occupying a meat sack. &#8220;I&#8217;ll be back&#8221; haha</p>
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