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		By: peterblood71		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-245759</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2018 01:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242006&quot;&gt;Stat&lt;/a&gt;.

Funny how their own words and tech work against them.  Either they are absolute or they are not - and if they aren&#039;t that just makes them falsehoods &#038; cultspeak.  You can&#039;t have it both ways.  

Sooner or later it will catch up with them as it has now being well underway.  Just a matter of time before everyone still in sees the man behind the curtain clearly.  Thank God for the people who are standing up and fighting it with the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242006">Stat</a>.</p>
<p>Funny how their own words and tech work against them.  Either they are absolute or they are not &#8211; and if they aren&#8217;t that just makes them falsehoods &amp; cultspeak.  You can&#8217;t have it both ways.  </p>
<p>Sooner or later it will catch up with them as it has now being well underway.  Just a matter of time before everyone still in sees the man behind the curtain clearly.  Thank God for the people who are standing up and fighting it with the truth.</p>
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		By: georgemwhite		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242977</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242512&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Read my book Foolproof.  It will be an education for you.  You are typical Hubbard.  You downgrade the discussion to fit your mind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242512">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Read my book Foolproof.  It will be an education for you.  You are typical Hubbard.  You downgrade the discussion to fit your mind.</p>
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		By: Mark Foster		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242952</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 09:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242551&quot;&gt;Ann Davis&lt;/a&gt;.

Ann, Foolproof cannot introduce facts into a discussion or cite empirical data to leaven his vitriolic ad hominem. All he can do is robotically quote Hubbard and insist that Hubbard&#039;s verbal diarrhea is sacred and unassailable. He can&#039;t prove anything or engage in intellectual discourse.
He fits, perfectly, the scientological definition of stupidity: 
unknowing of time, place, form, and event. He is a robot: he repeats what Flubbard said, insists on reminding us of his superior status and &quot;knowingness&quot;, and childishly spews insults.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242551">Ann Davis</a>.</p>
<p>Ann, Foolproof cannot introduce facts into a discussion or cite empirical data to leaven his vitriolic ad hominem. All he can do is robotically quote Hubbard and insist that Hubbard&#8217;s verbal diarrhea is sacred and unassailable. He can&#8217;t prove anything or engage in intellectual discourse.<br />
He fits, perfectly, the scientological definition of stupidity:<br />
unknowing of time, place, form, and event. He is a robot: he repeats what Flubbard said, insists on reminding us of his superior status and &#8220;knowingness&#8221;, and childishly spews insults.</p>
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		By: Mark Foster		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242950</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242686&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodermal_activity
You missed the irony/ sarcasm in my comment about the e-meter, Proven Fool.The e-meter is a modified Wheatstone Bridge; its history goes back to the 1800&#039;s. Try an internet search of &quot; galvanic skin response &quot;. If your head can manage to resist the gravitational pull of your sphincter long enough, you will learn that, factually and scientifically, in the physical universe that operates on observable and provable laws of physics, an e-meter measures galvanic skin response ; that&#039;s why a person
holds the cans in his hands. There is nothing scientific about scientology&#039;s use of the e-meter; nada, zilch, nothing. And when Hubbard was busted by the FDA in the US for his fraudulent use of the e-meter, he was legally required to label the e-meters with a disclaimer-which he never did. Furthermore, to this day, ANYONE signing up for auditing signs a contract that refers to the e-meter as a religious artifact and enjoins the signer to not hold the church responsible for providing ANY of the claimed benefits of dianetics and scientology. Hubbard himself flip-flopped on the use of the e-meter in the 50&#039;s, first insisting it wasn&#039;t needed, then insisting that it was-not that any of that matters in the real, scientific world of verifiable, reproducable phenomena...
Of course, you are welcome to present some real scientific verification of your claim that the e-meter measures thoughts or emotions or intentions or &quot; dates and locates incidents on the &#039; whole track&#039; &quot;. But, you know what? You can&#039;t produce said evidence, because it does not exist. But, like the true model of peristalsis that you are, you will probably come back here to spew more shit; it&#039;s what assholes do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242686">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodermal_activity" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodermal_activity</a><br />
You missed the irony/ sarcasm in my comment about the e-meter, Proven Fool.The e-meter is a modified Wheatstone Bridge; its history goes back to the 1800&#8217;s. Try an internet search of &#8221; galvanic skin response &#8220;. If your head can manage to resist the gravitational pull of your sphincter long enough, you will learn that, factually and scientifically, in the physical universe that operates on observable and provable laws of physics, an e-meter measures galvanic skin response ; that&#8217;s why a person<br />
holds the cans in his hands. There is nothing scientific about scientology&#8217;s use of the e-meter; nada, zilch, nothing. And when Hubbard was busted by the FDA in the US for his fraudulent use of the e-meter, he was legally required to label the e-meters with a disclaimer-which he never did. Furthermore, to this day, ANYONE signing up for auditing signs a contract that refers to the e-meter as a religious artifact and enjoins the signer to not hold the church responsible for providing ANY of the claimed benefits of dianetics and scientology. Hubbard himself flip-flopped on the use of the e-meter in the 50&#8217;s, first insisting it wasn&#8217;t needed, then insisting that it was-not that any of that matters in the real, scientific world of verifiable, reproducable phenomena&#8230;<br />
Of course, you are welcome to present some real scientific verification of your claim that the e-meter measures thoughts or emotions or intentions or &#8221; dates and locates incidents on the &#8216; whole track&#8217; &#8220;. But, you know what? You can&#8217;t produce said evidence, because it does not exist. But, like the true model of peristalsis that you are, you will probably come back here to spew more shit; it&#8217;s what assholes do.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242919</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 06:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242686&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

After reading the silly &quot;answer&quot; below, or rather childish attempt at deflection, of course I am still waiting. I must admit to not being sure what is more ridiculous - &quot;designed to measure electricity&quot; or &quot;works on skin sweat&quot;. Wonder what we&#039;ll get tomorrow? As they say - you couldn&#039;t make it up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242686">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>After reading the silly &#8220;answer&#8221; below, or rather childish attempt at deflection, of course I am still waiting. I must admit to not being sure what is more ridiculous &#8211; &#8220;designed to measure electricity&#8221; or &#8220;works on skin sweat&#8221;. Wonder what we&#8217;ll get tomorrow? As they say &#8211; you couldn&#8217;t make it up.</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242876</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 02:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242166&quot;&gt;Ammo Alamo&lt;/a&gt;.

Overt-Motivator sequence.
Isn&#039;t that where someone slugs you on the jaw and you go around muttering &quot;Hit by Bill! Hit by Bill! Hit by Bill!&quot;?
Or am I thinking about something else?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242166">Ammo Alamo</a>.</p>
<p>Overt-Motivator sequence.<br />
Isn&#8217;t that where someone slugs you on the jaw and you go around muttering &#8220;Hit by Bill! Hit by Bill! Hit by Bill!&#8221;?<br />
Or am I thinking about something else?</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242843</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 00:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242693&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, ok Richard - good for you. The amount of auditing and training you have had is reflected in the balanced non-chagrined posts you sometimes, well, mostly, make.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242693">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Well, ok Richard &#8211; good for you. The amount of auditing and training you have had is reflected in the balanced non-chagrined posts you sometimes, well, mostly, make.</p>
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		By: Ammo Alamo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2018 23:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242686&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

One thing you are not is &quot;all ears&quot;, unless it is when listening to the words of your lord and master Elron.  As for the emeter, look up the inventer.  He was obviously attempting to deduce the thoughts of ripe tomatoes, but all he got was static from clams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242686">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>One thing you are not is &#8220;all ears&#8221;, unless it is when listening to the words of your lord and master Elron.  As for the emeter, look up the inventer.  He was obviously attempting to deduce the thoughts of ripe tomatoes, but all he got was static from clams.</p>
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		By: Christy Felty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh wow!! I had not heard about the shooting at the Portland .Org. Any shooting or violence is sad and senseless but I can sort of understand especially if they did and they probably Did Take all his money.  I hate to say it but I can understand why he he felt he had no other recourse because we all KNOW it was never going to be refunded.  

The Portland .Org...wow that place brings back memories of where it began, for me, and of so much time/money wasted. I wonder if the shooting is why they moved it to a different location?  I’ll be honest, the new place looks like a dump and is in a “rundown” building.  Also, it’s teally hard to find.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow!! I had not heard about the shooting at the Portland .Org. Any shooting or violence is sad and senseless but I can sort of understand especially if they did and they probably Did Take all his money.  I hate to say it but I can understand why he he felt he had no other recourse because we all KNOW it was never going to be refunded.  </p>
<p>The Portland .Org&#8230;wow that place brings back memories of where it began, for me, and of so much time/money wasted. I wonder if the shooting is why they moved it to a different location?  I’ll be honest, the new place looks like a dump and is in a “rundown” building.  Also, it’s teally hard to find.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2018 14:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242513&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Foolproof - A King&#039;s English translation of overt would be a transgression and motivator would be a motivating factor. I realize that simple definitions are not fully descriptive in a debate about the overt motivator sequence. Pass?

This is a daily blog which mostly reiterates stupidities and lies coming from the CoS with an occasional swipe at aspects of the subject itself. Debates about the pros and cons of various aspects of the subject on blogs ended a few years ago.

In answer to your question I was an interned dianetic auditor and training and co auditing on the grades when the Dianetic Drug Rundown came out and myself and my co-auditor were transferred to it. After some time on the rundown I attested to Dianetic Clear which to me was a something rather than a nothing. In its simplest statement it was a letting go of the past and a realization that nothing in my past need affect me in the present. I left Scn soon thereafter.

Sometime later in a transcendental type moment i cognited/realized that regarding the universe in general &quot;Everything is the way it is just because it is, and everything is already alright. already.&quot; Not everyone would share that viewpoint, of course, and  it doesn&#039;t negate people having  noble causes to improve mankind within their sphere of influence. &quot;Salvaging&quot; a planet, sector or whatever is Utopian dreaming and in my opinion all religions present some version of Utopia and if you don&#039;t get on board you&#039;re heading to the final countdown.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-logic/#comment-242513">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Foolproof &#8211; A King&#8217;s English translation of overt would be a transgression and motivator would be a motivating factor. I realize that simple definitions are not fully descriptive in a debate about the overt motivator sequence. Pass?</p>
<p>This is a daily blog which mostly reiterates stupidities and lies coming from the CoS with an occasional swipe at aspects of the subject itself. Debates about the pros and cons of various aspects of the subject on blogs ended a few years ago.</p>
<p>In answer to your question I was an interned dianetic auditor and training and co auditing on the grades when the Dianetic Drug Rundown came out and myself and my co-auditor were transferred to it. After some time on the rundown I attested to Dianetic Clear which to me was a something rather than a nothing. In its simplest statement it was a letting go of the past and a realization that nothing in my past need affect me in the present. I left Scn soon thereafter.</p>
<p>Sometime later in a transcendental type moment i cognited/realized that regarding the universe in general &#8220;Everything is the way it is just because it is, and everything is already alright. already.&#8221; Not everyone would share that viewpoint, of course, and  it doesn&#8217;t negate people having  noble causes to improve mankind within their sphere of influence. &#8220;Salvaging&#8221; a planet, sector or whatever is Utopian dreaming and in my opinion all religions present some version of Utopia and if you don&#8217;t get on board you&#8217;re heading to the final countdown.</p>
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