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		By: Dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2017 15:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173257&quot;&gt;L Yash&lt;/a&gt;.

Well of course silly! Expansion could be 3&#039; deep? 8&#039; -9&#039; maybe even 10&#039; deep!! Oh the depth of expansion could be a huge, but if Dave didn&#039;t want to get in &quot;over his head&quot; I would keep the depth of expansion under 4&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173257">L Yash</a>.</p>
<p>Well of course silly! Expansion could be 3&#8242; deep? 8&#8242; -9&#8242; maybe even 10&#8242; deep!! Oh the depth of expansion could be a huge, but if Dave didn&#8217;t want to get in &#8220;over his head&#8221; I would keep the depth of expansion under 4&#8242;</p>
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		By: Dan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2017 15:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, I am sure you are already aware but the only place in my Va. area was a mission in Richmond that closed in 2011 (I want to say it was only open for a couple of years?) I guess we would have to drive to DC?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I am sure you are already aware but the only place in my Va. area was a mission in Richmond that closed in 2011 (I want to say it was only open for a couple of years?) I guess we would have to drive to DC?</p>
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		By: Shelley Taylor Wilcome Trinh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shelley Taylor Wilcome Trinh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2017 01:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173422&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Lol that was funny Mike,I was reading the list and it mentioned some had closed but we&#039;re in private homes,are they considered squirrels now, it&#039;s no different than what Marty was doing is it?
Before you get angry &quot;kiwigal&quot; I  say that in fun my youngest daughter is half Vietnamese]]></description>
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<p>Lol that was funny Mike,I was reading the list and it mentioned some had closed but we&#8217;re in private homes,are they considered squirrels now, it&#8217;s no different than what Marty was doing is it?<br />
Before you get angry &#8220;kiwigal&#8221; I  say that in fun my youngest daughter is half Vietnamese</p>
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		By: Joshua K Smith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I lived in Bangor, Maine when the mission opened there. I was at the mall there and they had set up tables doing personality tests and selling books. There were complaints and they eventually left. One of the women would come into the Starbucks that I worked at and flirt with the all of the guys that worked there. One day she extolled the virtues of &quot;Dianetics&quot; to me, and ask me if I was interested in a copy. I said &quot;yes please&quot; because I love reading about cults. However, when she handed me a copy she was expecting money (I was still naive to Scientology&#039;s ways). I quickly shut that down and she left without selling the book. I&#039;m not surprised to see the mission shut down there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Bangor, Maine when the mission opened there. I was at the mall there and they had set up tables doing personality tests and selling books. There were complaints and they eventually left. One of the women would come into the Starbucks that I worked at and flirt with the all of the guys that worked there. One day she extolled the virtues of &#8220;Dianetics&#8221; to me, and ask me if I was interested in a copy. I said &#8220;yes please&#8221; because I love reading about cults. However, when she handed me a copy she was expecting money (I was still naive to Scientology&#8217;s ways). I quickly shut that down and she left without selling the book. I&#8217;m not surprised to see the mission shut down there.</p>
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		By: Sandy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 12:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173294&quot;&gt;WhatAreYourCrimes&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The entire continent of Africa, apart from S. Africa...&quot; - I wonder if we should be counting South Africa.  

Although on paper there&#039;re orgs dotted around, yes, including in the major cities, I doubt if there are more than 1000 - 1500 members in the field who are still think of themselves as scientologists.    

And those who are actually IN the orgs taking courses?  Less than 500 countrywide?  

There is no org in South Africa that can deliver Clear; and there are very few whales left to pay for the renovations of buildings bought.  Durban &quot;org&quot; is smaller than a &quot;mission&quot;, so it Joburg North; same as Cape Town and Port Elizabeth is not even the size of that.  

Johannesburg and Pretoria, both &quot;idle morgues&quot;, are just that.  It&#039;s amazing their lights and water are still on.  They&#039;re probably bribing someone in their respective municipalities.  

I wish I had better stats so that instead of my worrying that I&#039;m not being generous enough in supposing these figures, I&#039;d possibly, even probably, find out that I was being optimistic about them!  

Anyone who can assist here?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173294">WhatAreYourCrimes</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The entire continent of Africa, apart from S. Africa&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; I wonder if we should be counting South Africa.  </p>
<p>Although on paper there&#8217;re orgs dotted around, yes, including in the major cities, I doubt if there are more than 1000 &#8211; 1500 members in the field who are still think of themselves as scientologists.    </p>
<p>And those who are actually IN the orgs taking courses?  Less than 500 countrywide?  </p>
<p>There is no org in South Africa that can deliver Clear; and there are very few whales left to pay for the renovations of buildings bought.  Durban &#8220;org&#8221; is smaller than a &#8220;mission&#8221;, so it Joburg North; same as Cape Town and Port Elizabeth is not even the size of that.  </p>
<p>Johannesburg and Pretoria, both &#8220;idle morgues&#8221;, are just that.  It&#8217;s amazing their lights and water are still on.  They&#8217;re probably bribing someone in their respective municipalities.  </p>
<p>I wish I had better stats so that instead of my worrying that I&#8217;m not being generous enough in supposing these figures, I&#8217;d possibly, even probably, find out that I was being optimistic about them!  </p>
<p>Anyone who can assist here?</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 12:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173415&quot;&gt;KiwiGal&lt;/a&gt;.

Correct. And corrected.]]></description>
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<p>Correct. And corrected.</p>
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		By: KiwiGal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 04:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;There is NO org in Korea. Or Thailand. Or Indonesia. The Philippines. Anywhere in Asia.&quot;

Japan and Taiwan are both in Asia and both countries have Orgs and missions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is NO org in Korea. Or Thailand. Or Indonesia. The Philippines. Anywhere in Asia.&#8221;</p>
<p>Japan and Taiwan are both in Asia and both countries have Orgs and missions.</p>
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		By: Susan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 03:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173406&quot;&gt;JCarpenter&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I believe KW is closed.  There is now an Ideal Org in Cambridge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173406">JCarpenter</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I believe KW is closed.  There is now an Ideal Org in Cambridge.</p>
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		By: L Yash		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 03:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173255&quot;&gt;Terri&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, saw it the other da.  It was originally done by CNN.   A cult called the Buddahfield.....the &quot;leader&quot; Michel is adored by his followers, yet some of those who&#039;ve left the cult claim that as young men they were sexually assaulted numerous times by him.  It was also stated that the members were instructed to sell their possessions and give the money to...you guessed it. 

The cult &quot;leader&quot; Michel would give counseling once a week to his members (sounds like auditing) &#038; he&#039;d charge them $50 each time. 

A women claimed she was &quot;advised strongly&quot; to have an abortion, and she stated that in the 20 years she was a member of the cult NO CHILDREN were born.....This cult seems to still be in existence, and as noted there are a group of loyal members who follow him around like trained dogs.  Sickening.  You can see the tape on CNN or maybe YouTube.....it&#039;s frightening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173255">Terri</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, saw it the other da.  It was originally done by CNN.   A cult called the Buddahfield&#8230;..the &#8220;leader&#8221; Michel is adored by his followers, yet some of those who&#8217;ve left the cult claim that as young men they were sexually assaulted numerous times by him.  It was also stated that the members were instructed to sell their possessions and give the money to&#8230;you guessed it. </p>
<p>The cult &#8220;leader&#8221; Michel would give counseling once a week to his members (sounds like auditing) &amp; he&#8217;d charge them $50 each time. </p>
<p>A women claimed she was &#8220;advised strongly&#8221; to have an abortion, and she stated that in the 20 years she was a member of the cult NO CHILDREN were born&#8230;..This cult seems to still be in existence, and as noted there are a group of loyal members who follow him around like trained dogs.  Sickening.  You can see the tape on CNN or maybe YouTube&#8230;..it&#8217;s frightening.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2017 02:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173221&quot;&gt;Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)&lt;/a&gt;.

Lois, 

They refuse to believe it because they feel comfortable, safe and secure in their ongoingly self-created bubbleworld which is held together with lies. They&#039;re not only lied TO, they themselves ALSO are actively lying to others AND themselves. They HAVE to, at this point.  They must keep weaving that web, actively, themselves. 

Now, if, the first time they spotted a lie they had disagreed, had said,  &quot;NO! That&#039;s NOT true!&quot; the first timewell, it would have had no power over them.  

But they didn&#039;t do that.  

Instead, they said, (conceptually), &quot;Aw, what the heck, its no big deal.  I know its not true, I know better, but, let it go, its not important.&quot; 

But, actually, it WAS important, and they knew that is was important.

At that instant, they had a choice to make.  Their own integrity, or...pretending it didn&#039;t matter.

They made the choice.  They lied to themselves.  

And that was the beginning of the slippery slope.

Life became more and more complex.  More lies were needed.  More and more lies and less and less observation - a very dangerous way to operate in life, in any area.

Because it got worse.  Down and down the slippery slope.

They&#039;re now so far down in their awareness that they are fully complicit, willing helpers, in their being lied to and betrayed.  

Really, it couldn&#039;t happen without their active help and support.

They are waaaaay down in their awareness because they&#039;ve been actively suppressing their own awareness for a very long time. 

If someone suppresses his own awareness, he is suppressing his &quot;self&quot;.  Keep doing it, doing it , doing it and he becomes a robot, a machine.

That&#039;s what these people are.

Only a great shock will pop them out of this operating state and into present time.

That shock will come.  I don&#039;t know how, or when, but I know it will come.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-massive-international-expansion-lies/#comment-173221">Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)</a>.</p>
<p>Lois, </p>
<p>They refuse to believe it because they feel comfortable, safe and secure in their ongoingly self-created bubbleworld which is held together with lies. They&#8217;re not only lied TO, they themselves ALSO are actively lying to others AND themselves. They HAVE to, at this point.  They must keep weaving that web, actively, themselves. </p>
<p>Now, if, the first time they spotted a lie they had disagreed, had said,  &#8220;NO! That&#8217;s NOT true!&#8221; the first timewell, it would have had no power over them.  </p>
<p>But they didn&#8217;t do that.  </p>
<p>Instead, they said, (conceptually), &#8220;Aw, what the heck, its no big deal.  I know its not true, I know better, but, let it go, its not important.&#8221; </p>
<p>But, actually, it WAS important, and they knew that is was important.</p>
<p>At that instant, they had a choice to make.  Their own integrity, or&#8230;pretending it didn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>They made the choice.  They lied to themselves.  </p>
<p>And that was the beginning of the slippery slope.</p>
<p>Life became more and more complex.  More lies were needed.  More and more lies and less and less observation &#8211; a very dangerous way to operate in life, in any area.</p>
<p>Because it got worse.  Down and down the slippery slope.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re now so far down in their awareness that they are fully complicit, willing helpers, in their being lied to and betrayed.  </p>
<p>Really, it couldn&#8217;t happen without their active help and support.</p>
<p>They are waaaaay down in their awareness because they&#8217;ve been actively suppressing their own awareness for a very long time. </p>
<p>If someone suppresses his own awareness, he is suppressing his &#8220;self&#8221;.  Keep doing it, doing it , doing it and he becomes a robot, a machine.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what these people are.</p>
<p>Only a great shock will pop them out of this operating state and into present time.</p>
<p>That shock will come.  I don&#8217;t know how, or when, but I know it will come.</p>
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