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		By: F68.10		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2019 18:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237585&quot;&gt;WhatAreYourCrimes&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;That photo of Miscavige has a certain person standing behind him, which brings up a very important question… WHERE’S SHELLEY?&quot;

There&#039;s no way in the US that the police can investigate such a question? Makes me rather scared of the US...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237585">WhatAreYourCrimes</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;That photo of Miscavige has a certain person standing behind him, which brings up a very important question… WHERE’S SHELLEY?&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way in the US that the police can investigate such a question? Makes me rather scared of the US&#8230;</p>
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		By: Richard M Schiller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237736&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

she could very easily be legally committed by a husband, and she could easily have been legally doped drugged mentally impaired in medical therapy to make her a vegetable for life and the blame all placed on her. Prescription drug-abuse is always blame placed on the patient. And if she is in a permanent REST-HOME law prevents media harassment which means Miscavage has won. Perfect murder. Living vegetable and plenty of money to leave it be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237736">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>she could very easily be legally committed by a husband, and she could easily have been legally doped drugged mentally impaired in medical therapy to make her a vegetable for life and the blame all placed on her. Prescription drug-abuse is always blame placed on the patient. And if she is in a permanent REST-HOME law prevents media harassment which means Miscavage has won. Perfect murder. Living vegetable and plenty of money to leave it be.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2018 19:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237709&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, you&#039;re right.  Psychologically break her.  Make her feel so useless and worthless and just plain wrong that she CAN&#039;T eat, CAN&#039;T sleep despite not being actively prevented from doing so by others.  Tell her lies about the problems Scientology is dealing with, all of which are HER fault. And of course she&#039;d have no way of knowing.  She&#039;d believe whatever she&#039;s told.   You&#039;re right, the depressed, grief-stricken, anxious mind  can work on a physically healthy body and make it sick and make the person WANT to die. I know that&#039;s true.  And I also didn&#039;t factor in the likelihood that she&#039;s a smoker, another huge stressor on stressed out immune system.. Wow. And as you say,  I can easily be giving Miscavige too much credit for intelligence.  Its quite possible he&#039;s so far gone now that his actions and reactions are beyond his own control,  with any semblance of his normalcy due to his actions being monitored by those in his inner circle. Its very possible that he is by now a raging idiot and completely off his whack, lashing out at anybody and everybody,  yet his anger and destructive impulses checked and contained, and his more insane orders disregarded, quietly, until he forgets about them.  Its possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237709">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, you&#8217;re right.  Psychologically break her.  Make her feel so useless and worthless and just plain wrong that she CAN&#8217;T eat, CAN&#8217;T sleep despite not being actively prevented from doing so by others.  Tell her lies about the problems Scientology is dealing with, all of which are HER fault. And of course she&#8217;d have no way of knowing.  She&#8217;d believe whatever she&#8217;s told.   You&#8217;re right, the depressed, grief-stricken, anxious mind  can work on a physically healthy body and make it sick and make the person WANT to die. I know that&#8217;s true.  And I also didn&#8217;t factor in the likelihood that she&#8217;s a smoker, another huge stressor on stressed out immune system.. Wow. And as you say,  I can easily be giving Miscavige too much credit for intelligence.  Its quite possible he&#8217;s so far gone now that his actions and reactions are beyond his own control,  with any semblance of his normalcy due to his actions being monitored by those in his inner circle. Its very possible that he is by now a raging idiot and completely off his whack, lashing out at anybody and everybody,  yet his anger and destructive impulses checked and contained, and his more insane orders disregarded, quietly, until he forgets about them.  Its possible.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2018 16:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237651&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with you, David Miscavige would be uncharacteristically foolish to physically mistreat Shelly.  However, as the saying goes, &quot;ve haf vays&quot; - there&#039;s a lot that could have happened, or could have been done with ill intent, to break her psychologically and spiritually, as Marty Rathbun and others have attested to.  

Mid to late 50s wouldn&#039;t exactly be an uncommon age for a scientologist to die - Shelly&#039;s friend Annie Broeker only lived to 55 - particularly if they were a smoker and typically were not receiving normal medical car, and especially for a staff or Sea Org members subject to chronic sleep deprivation and other stresses, on top of which such factors could be compounded by their being in a situation where life offered little joy or hope.  The reported recent sightings of her suggested that she wasn&#039;t in good health, and while her premature death, particularly if she were in ill health, would be a problem for her husband, it may be yet another debacle he &quot;pulls in.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237651">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with you, David Miscavige would be uncharacteristically foolish to physically mistreat Shelly.  However, as the saying goes, &#8220;ve haf vays&#8221; &#8211; there&#8217;s a lot that could have happened, or could have been done with ill intent, to break her psychologically and spiritually, as Marty Rathbun and others have attested to.  </p>
<p>Mid to late 50s wouldn&#8217;t exactly be an uncommon age for a scientologist to die &#8211; Shelly&#8217;s friend Annie Broeker only lived to 55 &#8211; particularly if they were a smoker and typically were not receiving normal medical car, and especially for a staff or Sea Org members subject to chronic sleep deprivation and other stresses, on top of which such factors could be compounded by their being in a situation where life offered little joy or hope.  The reported recent sightings of her suggested that she wasn&#8217;t in good health, and while her premature death, particularly if she were in ill health, would be a problem for her husband, it may be yet another debacle he &#8220;pulls in.&#8221;</p>
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		By: rogerlarsson2012		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237481&quot;&gt;Newcomer&lt;/a&gt;.

Scientology is a bloody serious thing,
depending on members hard-workung.]]></description>
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<p>Scientology is a bloody serious thing,<br />
depending on members hard-workung.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2018 22:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237585&quot;&gt;WhatAreYourCrimes&lt;/a&gt;.

JUST MY OPINION but I very much doubt that Miscavige is ordering Shelly to be starved or otherwise mistreated and here&#039;s why: he knows that the world knows that he put his wife away.  Her death would be NEWS. The LAPD has already PUBLICLY vouchsafed her safety and well being, stateing unequivocally that she is where she chooses to be. THEIR collective ass is on the line with this statement. The world is keeping tabs on this lady. Mike Rinder is watching.  Tony Ortega is watching  HURRICANE LEAH is keeping tabs :) .  A sick, malnourished Shelly DYING at the age of - what?  56 or so, after vanishing from view for 11 years,  having been put away by the ecclesiastical leader of Scientology, a man who is STILL her legal husband?  HUGE news and the death knell of the  cult.  Miscavige is not stupid.  He has Tiger Shelly by the tail.  He can&#039;t let her go.  He MUST keep her ALIVE and, if not happy, at least comfortable, well fed and in good physical health. 

Not that Miscavige would not, in a perfect world for him, LOVE to be able  to vent his vile spleen on Shelly if he could  do so with impunity.  But he can&#039;t.  The world is watching. 

Again, this is MY OPINION, strictly, and as such, if anyone here sees a flaw in this reasoning, if there&#039;s something anyone sees that I&#039;m failing to see and factor in, PLEASE don&#039;t hesitate to point it out.  I&#039;d be interested to hear it!]]></description>
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<p>JUST MY OPINION but I very much doubt that Miscavige is ordering Shelly to be starved or otherwise mistreated and here&#8217;s why: he knows that the world knows that he put his wife away.  Her death would be NEWS. The LAPD has already PUBLICLY vouchsafed her safety and well being, stateing unequivocally that she is where she chooses to be. THEIR collective ass is on the line with this statement. The world is keeping tabs on this lady. Mike Rinder is watching.  Tony Ortega is watching  HURRICANE LEAH is keeping tabs 🙂 .  A sick, malnourished Shelly DYING at the age of &#8211; what?  56 or so, after vanishing from view for 11 years,  having been put away by the ecclesiastical leader of Scientology, a man who is STILL her legal husband?  HUGE news and the death knell of the  cult.  Miscavige is not stupid.  He has Tiger Shelly by the tail.  He can&#8217;t let her go.  He MUST keep her ALIVE and, if not happy, at least comfortable, well fed and in good physical health. </p>
<p>Not that Miscavige would not, in a perfect world for him, LOVE to be able  to vent his vile spleen on Shelly if he could  do so with impunity.  But he can&#8217;t.  The world is watching. </p>
<p>Again, this is MY OPINION, strictly, and as such, if anyone here sees a flaw in this reasoning, if there&#8217;s something anyone sees that I&#8217;m failing to see and factor in, PLEASE don&#8217;t hesitate to point it out.  I&#8217;d be interested to hear it!</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237544&quot;&gt;ctempster&lt;/a&gt;.

I would like to see the subjects of Sex Checks and OW write-ups addresses with a thorough look at what types of things are addressed.

We talk a about &quot;crimes&quot; being disclosed and to potentially be used as a weapon against the person.  Often it seems like the examples used include petty theft or other real-life low level/scofflaw criminal offenses. 

Using this type of example lends a bit credence, paints the preclear as a bad guy. 

If the truth were known, scn would be shown to be creepily obsessed with all things sexual, physical, and hyper paranoid against infiltration or criticism.

Sleeping in, being late to post, taken earlier similar to when you blew up a planet ..

I&#039;d like to see this area ripped open and explored, maybe a Shelton or Smith-Levin vid....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237544">ctempster</a>.</p>
<p>I would like to see the subjects of Sex Checks and OW write-ups addresses with a thorough look at what types of things are addressed.</p>
<p>We talk a about &#8220;crimes&#8221; being disclosed and to potentially be used as a weapon against the person.  Often it seems like the examples used include petty theft or other real-life low level/scofflaw criminal offenses. </p>
<p>Using this type of example lends a bit credence, paints the preclear as a bad guy. </p>
<p>If the truth were known, scn would be shown to be creepily obsessed with all things sexual, physical, and hyper paranoid against infiltration or criticism.</p>
<p>Sleeping in, being late to post, taken earlier similar to when you blew up a planet ..</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see this area ripped open and explored, maybe a Shelton or Smith-Levin vid&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237535&quot;&gt;Gary webb&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Gary.. I&#039;m regularly amazed afresh... 

Remind me, we&#039;re you ever working on the Athena cramming line in LA in 79/80?]]></description>
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<p>Thanks, Gary.. I&#8217;m regularly amazed afresh&#8230; </p>
<p>Remind me, we&#8217;re you ever working on the Athena cramming line in LA in 79/80?</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237593&quot;&gt;Balletlady&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I am. I love it.]]></description>
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<p>Yes, I am. I love it.</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-no-longer-curious/#comment-237566&quot;&gt;chuckbeatty77&lt;/a&gt;.

Looks like he could use it.
Off to Qual, Davey!]]></description>
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<p>Looks like he could use it.<br />
Off to Qual, Davey!</p>
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