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		By: sinjiansmythe		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78686&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe it was burger king: &quot;have it your way.&quot;

Albeit, mcdonald&#039;s DOES charge you a lovely, whopping $1.50 for a slice of tomato on a burger..... 
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻]]></description>
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<p>I believe it was burger king: &#8220;have it your way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Albeit, mcdonald&#8217;s DOES charge you a lovely, whopping $1.50 for a slice of tomato on a burger&#8230;..<br />
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻</p>
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		By: gato rojo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2015 21:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78545&quot;&gt;from83&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your idea! But since this is many years ago now, the statute of limitations has come and gone long ago. By the time I realized how unfair, unethical, immoral and illegal the whole show is and how it is run, too much time had passed. 

Just wanted to say...I am just one of many who did/do not get proper attention to their health. I&#039;d see many base staff with a tooth missing for example. For years. Simple vitamins were bought a few bottles at a time to dish out to hundreds of people in a week. The big mucky-mucks would get decent treatment and liaison to doctors, dentists or chiropractors, but the hundreds of little peons went without most often. 

If you got sick you went to &quot;Isolation,&quot; not a doctor. You got removed from the others so they didn&#039;t catch what you had (a good thing except for the conditions of the room you were in) and you waited it out using scn processes on each other in an effort to get better faster while your co-workers and boss were complaining about your absence. It wasn&#039;t &quot;Hope you feel better!&quot; It was &quot;Quit blowing from post and f____ get back to work!&quot; 

Anyone reading this who is within a few years of leaving and who has had similar abuse, do look into the legalities of the way you were treated. If you&#039;ve got some arrows to fire at this beast let &#039;em rip!]]></description>
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<p>Thank you for your idea! But since this is many years ago now, the statute of limitations has come and gone long ago. By the time I realized how unfair, unethical, immoral and illegal the whole show is and how it is run, too much time had passed. </p>
<p>Just wanted to say&#8230;I am just one of many who did/do not get proper attention to their health. I&#8217;d see many base staff with a tooth missing for example. For years. Simple vitamins were bought a few bottles at a time to dish out to hundreds of people in a week. The big mucky-mucks would get decent treatment and liaison to doctors, dentists or chiropractors, but the hundreds of little peons went without most often. </p>
<p>If you got sick you went to &#8220;Isolation,&#8221; not a doctor. You got removed from the others so they didn&#8217;t catch what you had (a good thing except for the conditions of the room you were in) and you waited it out using scn processes on each other in an effort to get better faster while your co-workers and boss were complaining about your absence. It wasn&#8217;t &#8220;Hope you feel better!&#8221; It was &#8220;Quit blowing from post and f____ get back to work!&#8221; </p>
<p>Anyone reading this who is within a few years of leaving and who has had similar abuse, do look into the legalities of the way you were treated. If you&#8217;ve got some arrows to fire at this beast let &#8217;em rip!</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 03:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78518&quot;&gt;gayle&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for telling this Gayle, and for your real giving and caring.  I too saw a discarded SO member who was wandering around my neighborhood with a brain tumor.  He would walk up and down the street each day with nothing else to do.  He had been sent away with no money or insurance.  I didn&#039;t know him but his dad took him in and cared for him.  He was treated like trash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78518">gayle</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for telling this Gayle, and for your real giving and caring.  I too saw a discarded SO member who was wandering around my neighborhood with a brain tumor.  He would walk up and down the street each day with nothing else to do.  He had been sent away with no money or insurance.  I didn&#8217;t know him but his dad took him in and cared for him.  He was treated like trash.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 02:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What was that slogan, back in the day, some fast food chain - McDonald&#039;s, I think: &quot;At McDonald&#039;s, we do it all for you&quot;.

Let me just work that around a little: &quot;In the CO$,  we do it all for us&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was that slogan, back in the day, some fast food chain &#8211; McDonald&#8217;s, I think: &#8220;At McDonald&#8217;s, we do it all for you&#8221;.</p>
<p>Let me just work that around a little: &#8220;In the CO$,  we do it all for us&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 02:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Church of Scientology, unlike many other religions, gives aid and comfort to NO-ONE except possibly its major donors.  How pathetic of the Co$ to position itself with other religions which provide food, clothing, housing, pet adoption facilities, medical help and emergency disaster relief to the Third World and the poor everywhere. Its just sickening. Good thing I haven&#039;t eaten yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Church of Scientology, unlike many other religions, gives aid and comfort to NO-ONE except possibly its major donors.  How pathetic of the Co$ to position itself with other religions which provide food, clothing, housing, pet adoption facilities, medical help and emergency disaster relief to the Third World and the poor everywhere. Its just sickening. Good thing I haven&#8217;t eaten yet.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78674&quot;&gt;Dio&lt;/a&gt;.

This is the last comment on this topic. It&#039;s off topic to begin with and now its going on and on.]]></description>
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<p>This is the last comment on this topic. It&#8217;s off topic to begin with and now its going on and on.</p>
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		By: Dio		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78631&quot;&gt;SunnyV&lt;/a&gt;.

SunnyV,

Quoting you:

– Signed a woman who has more worth than a broodmare.

1. That is not possible.

2. You have a huge MU. To say that a woman is supposed to be a broodmare is a perversion and bastardization of what is meant in the quotes from SoS.

I don&#039;t agree with Louis Farrahkan on much of anything,  but on this quote he is on the same wavelength as the quotes from SoS:

Source wikipedia:

&quot;Mr. Farrakhan urged the women to embrace his formula for a successful family. He encouraged them to put husbands and children ahead of their careers, shun tight, short skirts, stay off welfare and reject abortion. He also stressed the importance of cooking and cleaning and urged women not to abandon homemaking for careers. &#039;You’re just not going to be happy unless there is happiness in the home,&#039; Mr. Farrakhan said at the Mason Cathedral Church of God in Christ in the Dorchester section, not far from the Roxbury neighborhood where he was reared by a single mother. &#039;Your professional lives can’t satisfy your soul like a good, loving man.&#039;&quot;

End of quote:

We are all only as good as we have been brought up.

If you have a problem with someone, you have to check with their mothers for the cause.

We all come from women.

I heard a radio program talk show back in around 1990, on CBC radio, where the radio host was interviewing a woman from Africa, who wrote a book and was promoting it. I only wish I could remember the author&#039;s name and title of the book.

But her unforgettable great wisdom was that she was teaching people (in her case, especially her fellow Africans) that women were responsible for all the problems in Africa, because they failed to bring up their sons and daughters right. And only women could solve the problems of Africa, by bringing up children right!

In particular she was addressing the problem of how despicably the average African man treats women. She said such problems are caused by the man&#039;s mother and it is wrong to blame the men. Women (collectively) have only themselves to blame. 

That was a very sobering message, sobering from the global systemic ignorance, stupidity and insanity, the wrong  popular reasons for the cause of the problems of society.


More words of wisdom on the same wavelenght:

By Madeline Dahlgren, 1871

http://sceti.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=19950_O_16&#038;PagePosition=1

We acknowledge no inferiority to men. We claim to have no less ability to perform the duty God has imposed upon us, than they [men] have to perform those imposed upon them. We believe that God has wisely and well adapted each sex to the proper performance of the duties of each. We believe our trusts to be as important and sacred as any that exist.

It is our fathers, brothers, husbands and sons who represent us at the ballot-box. Our fathers and husbands love us. Our sons are what we make them. We are content that they represent us in the corn-field, the battle-field and the ballot-box, and we them in the school-room, at the fireside, and at the cradle; believing our representation, even at the ballot-box, to be thus more full and impartial that it could possibly be were all women allowed to vote.


We hold that the new status will prove to be the worst kind of communism. The relations between the sexes, so carefully guarded by religion and by parents, by law and by society, will become common and therefore corrupt. The family, the foundation of the State, will disappear. The mothers, sisters and daughters of our glorious past will exist no more and the female gender will vanish into epicene.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78631">SunnyV</a>.</p>
<p>SunnyV,</p>
<p>Quoting you:</p>
<p>– Signed a woman who has more worth than a broodmare.</p>
<p>1. That is not possible.</p>
<p>2. You have a huge MU. To say that a woman is supposed to be a broodmare is a perversion and bastardization of what is meant in the quotes from SoS.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with Louis Farrahkan on much of anything,  but on this quote he is on the same wavelength as the quotes from SoS:</p>
<p>Source wikipedia:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. Farrakhan urged the women to embrace his formula for a successful family. He encouraged them to put husbands and children ahead of their careers, shun tight, short skirts, stay off welfare and reject abortion. He also stressed the importance of cooking and cleaning and urged women not to abandon homemaking for careers. &#8216;You’re just not going to be happy unless there is happiness in the home,&#8217; Mr. Farrakhan said at the Mason Cathedral Church of God in Christ in the Dorchester section, not far from the Roxbury neighborhood where he was reared by a single mother. &#8216;Your professional lives can’t satisfy your soul like a good, loving man.'&#8221;</p>
<p>End of quote:</p>
<p>We are all only as good as we have been brought up.</p>
<p>If you have a problem with someone, you have to check with their mothers for the cause.</p>
<p>We all come from women.</p>
<p>I heard a radio program talk show back in around 1990, on CBC radio, where the radio host was interviewing a woman from Africa, who wrote a book and was promoting it. I only wish I could remember the author&#8217;s name and title of the book.</p>
<p>But her unforgettable great wisdom was that she was teaching people (in her case, especially her fellow Africans) that women were responsible for all the problems in Africa, because they failed to bring up their sons and daughters right. And only women could solve the problems of Africa, by bringing up children right!</p>
<p>In particular she was addressing the problem of how despicably the average African man treats women. She said such problems are caused by the man&#8217;s mother and it is wrong to blame the men. Women (collectively) have only themselves to blame. </p>
<p>That was a very sobering message, sobering from the global systemic ignorance, stupidity and insanity, the wrong  popular reasons for the cause of the problems of society.</p>
<p>More words of wisdom on the same wavelenght:</p>
<p>By Madeline Dahlgren, 1871</p>
<p><a href="http://sceti.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=19950_O_16&#038;PagePosition=1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sceti.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=19950_O_16&#038;PagePosition=1</a></p>
<p>We acknowledge no inferiority to men. We claim to have no less ability to perform the duty God has imposed upon us, than they [men] have to perform those imposed upon them. We believe that God has wisely and well adapted each sex to the proper performance of the duties of each. We believe our trusts to be as important and sacred as any that exist.</p>
<p>It is our fathers, brothers, husbands and sons who represent us at the ballot-box. Our fathers and husbands love us. Our sons are what we make them. We are content that they represent us in the corn-field, the battle-field and the ballot-box, and we them in the school-room, at the fireside, and at the cradle; believing our representation, even at the ballot-box, to be thus more full and impartial that it could possibly be were all women allowed to vote.</p>
<p>We hold that the new status will prove to be the worst kind of communism. The relations between the sexes, so carefully guarded by religion and by parents, by law and by society, will become common and therefore corrupt. The family, the foundation of the State, will disappear. The mothers, sisters and daughters of our glorious past will exist no more and the female gender will vanish into epicene.</p>
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		By: DollarMorgue		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78426&quot;&gt;DollarMorgue&lt;/a&gt;.

Lawrence, I guess that would depend on which definition of attack you are using. In CoS, questioning = attack, criticism = attack, pointing out obvious faults or flaws = attack. In their world, every atheist is a secret agent of ARM (alleged anti-religious movement).]]></description>
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<p>Lawrence, I guess that would depend on which definition of attack you are using. In CoS, questioning = attack, criticism = attack, pointing out obvious faults or flaws = attack. In their world, every atheist is a secret agent of ARM (alleged anti-religious movement).</p>
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		By: Dio		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78486&quot;&gt;NOLAGirl&lt;/a&gt;.

Hubbard said this all important truth:

The truth is not determined by authority.

The truth is the truth.

The value of a datum is only determined by how many problems it solves and how well it solves them.

The truth is also not determined by beliefs, opinions or by who wins an argument.


So you have to take source, opinions, beliefs and arguments  out of the equation.

The value of a datum  has to be determined on it&#039;s own merits.



Dio]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78486">NOLAGirl</a>.</p>
<p>Hubbard said this all important truth:</p>
<p>The truth is not determined by authority.</p>
<p>The truth is the truth.</p>
<p>The value of a datum is only determined by how many problems it solves and how well it solves them.</p>
<p>The truth is also not determined by beliefs, opinions or by who wins an argument.</p>
<p>So you have to take source, opinions, beliefs and arguments  out of the equation.</p>
<p>The value of a datum  has to be determined on it&#8217;s own merits.</p>
<p>Dio</p>
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		By: SunnyV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78446&quot;&gt;Dio&lt;/a&gt;.

Dio: 

You are a victim of nostalgia and belief in a world that never existed.  It might do you some good to dig up real facts instead of relying on confirmation bias and Fox news fantasies to get you through life.  There was never an idealized life of good American Christians living the hardworking ethical life that was ruined by &quot;modernism.&quot;  From the 1880 until WWII you had a country very close to electing socialist and communist leaders due to the horrible working conditions and exploitation of the working class to a degree than sends shivers up my spine.  Read about the old mining communities in Appalachia or out West for a taste of the &quot;good old days&quot; or just listen to some Woodie Guthrie. Your fantasies of the good old days are laughable. But then again most bitter old white men love to blame civil rights and feminism for all of their woes.  
 
- Signed a woman who has more worth than a broodmare.]]></description>
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<p>Dio: </p>
<p>You are a victim of nostalgia and belief in a world that never existed.  It might do you some good to dig up real facts instead of relying on confirmation bias and Fox news fantasies to get you through life.  There was never an idealized life of good American Christians living the hardworking ethical life that was ruined by &#8220;modernism.&#8221;  From the 1880 until WWII you had a country very close to electing socialist and communist leaders due to the horrible working conditions and exploitation of the working class to a degree than sends shivers up my spine.  Read about the old mining communities in Appalachia or out West for a taste of the &#8220;good old days&#8221; or just listen to some Woodie Guthrie. Your fantasies of the good old days are laughable. But then again most bitter old white men love to blame civil rights and feminism for all of their woes.  </p>
<p>&#8211; Signed a woman who has more worth than a broodmare.</p>
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