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		By: Denis Plazanin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denis Plazanin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2015 00:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The stats are ok. In cologne an indie org, we have no 170 BIS but more FSS. It is not right that to look an film  
Is an first service only paid service like pe course. To watch an film is an introservice. I am against the destructive handlings of the cofs but i am not against her. I was an member and i ve had good times. 
David Miscavige destroys my religion and that is my problem .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stats are ok. In cologne an indie org, we have no 170 BIS but more FSS. It is not right that to look an film<br />
Is an first service only paid service like pe course. To watch an film is an introservice. I am against the destructive handlings of the cofs but i am not against her. I was an member and i ve had good times.<br />
David Miscavige destroys my religion and that is my problem .</p>
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		By: outraged		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[outraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2015 18:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81808&quot;&gt;debra baker&lt;/a&gt;.

Really!  omg. hahaha.  It was a totally separate corporation i.e. Cult. I did the trainings in WDC and then they hired me for the Portland office. The headquarters were in SF. I was pad a VERY high salary. No one had to live anywhere. BUT there were so many other things that were similar with Lifespring and $cientology, not the least of which is Lifespring turned out to be bad for the health. THREE people died when I worked in Portland, one of which was about to go to trial until the victims family and John Hanley settled.

John Hanley, Werner Erherd (EST) and LRH knew each other.  So the similarities lie in the tech. Maybe LRH and Hanley fell out. I don&#039;t know.

What did they say about EST?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81808">debra baker</a>.</p>
<p>Really!  omg. hahaha.  It was a totally separate corporation i.e. Cult. I did the trainings in WDC and then they hired me for the Portland office. The headquarters were in SF. I was pad a VERY high salary. No one had to live anywhere. BUT there were so many other things that were similar with Lifespring and $cientology, not the least of which is Lifespring turned out to be bad for the health. THREE people died when I worked in Portland, one of which was about to go to trial until the victims family and John Hanley settled.</p>
<p>John Hanley, Werner Erherd (EST) and LRH knew each other.  So the similarities lie in the tech. Maybe LRH and Hanley fell out. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>What did they say about EST?</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[indie8million]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2015 23:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81746&quot;&gt;The Dark Avenger&lt;/a&gt;.

Avenger - I love studying about the Sumerians and their stories about creation of the human race, etc. Did you ever read, &quot;The Gods of Eden?&quot;  Someone from the Freewinds told me that I shouldn&#039;t be reading nor promoting that book. The author references LRH in the bibliography. 

Oh no. I&#039;m so non-compliant. Here&#039;s the link for the book. haha.  http://www.amazon.com/William-Bramley-Gods-Eden/dp/B00N4FV7EQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1426809191&#038;sr=1-2&#038;keywords=gods+of+eden+william+bramley

Enjoy.]]></description>
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<p>Avenger &#8211; I love studying about the Sumerians and their stories about creation of the human race, etc. Did you ever read, &#8220;The Gods of Eden?&#8221;  Someone from the Freewinds told me that I shouldn&#8217;t be reading nor promoting that book. The author references LRH in the bibliography. </p>
<p>Oh no. I&#8217;m so non-compliant. Here&#8217;s the link for the book. haha.  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/William-Bramley-Gods-Eden/dp/B00N4FV7EQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1426809191&#038;sr=1-2&#038;keywords=gods+of+eden+william+bramley" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.amazon.com/William-Bramley-Gods-Eden/dp/B00N4FV7EQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1426809191&#038;sr=1-2&#038;keywords=gods+of+eden+william+bramley</a></p>
<p>Enjoy.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-82023</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2015 23:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81794&quot;&gt;Gus Cox&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep.]]></description>
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<p>Yep.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-82021</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2015 23:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81730&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Someone calls the CF, Mike, and asks if they were active this week. You could count doing a touch asist, nerve assist, disseminating to someone or applying the tech on yourself.

Just to keep the peace, we would say that we were active this week...then we&#039;d get off the phone and LAUUUUUGHHHHH because our stat was that we posted on Mike Rinder&#039;s Blog!!! 

Bwahahahhaha!  Well, we were helping other Scientologists get access to &quot;Standard Tech,&quot; weren&#039;t we? heh heh

They don&#039;t call much anymore, and we don&#039;t pick up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81730">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Someone calls the CF, Mike, and asks if they were active this week. You could count doing a touch asist, nerve assist, disseminating to someone or applying the tech on yourself.</p>
<p>Just to keep the peace, we would say that we were active this week&#8230;then we&#8217;d get off the phone and LAUUUUUGHHHHH because our stat was that we posted on Mike Rinder&#8217;s Blog!!! </p>
<p>Bwahahahhaha!  Well, we were helping other Scientologists get access to &#8220;Standard Tech,&#8221; weren&#8217;t we? heh heh</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t call much anymore, and we don&#8217;t pick up.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2015 23:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81705&quot;&gt;phoenyxrose&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, check this out, guys. In 1978 or 79, the COSMOD Mission (Church of Scientology, Missions of Davis) in Portland would have big weeks of $35,000 in 1970&#039;s money. Minimum wage was $1.25 an hour, for example. I&#039;d say about $20,000 to $25,000 were average, good weeks for the mission at that time. 

Some staff were getting paid $50 to $150 a week. I&#039;m not sure what the auditors were getting paid. But that was enough to rent a room with a couple of staff and eat alright, at that time. 

And that&#039;s all Portland is making now? Pffft. 

Here is the inflation rate between 1978 and now.  

$35,000 of 1978 dollars would be worth: $127,272.73 in 2014

$35,000 of 2014 dollars would be worth $9,625.00 in 1978

$100 of 1978 dollars would be worth: $363.64 in 2014

$100 of 2014 dollars would be worth $27.50 in 1978

Someone should show this to the Portland Org ED and Treas Sec. Maybe they, being old timers, are stuck on the time track where $35,000 was a big week.  Might open the door to a handling, once they see why they aren&#039;t being able to pay their light bill AND their staff.

What about it, Mark Stanley?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81705">phoenyxrose</a>.</p>
<p>Well, check this out, guys. In 1978 or 79, the COSMOD Mission (Church of Scientology, Missions of Davis) in Portland would have big weeks of $35,000 in 1970&#8217;s money. Minimum wage was $1.25 an hour, for example. I&#8217;d say about $20,000 to $25,000 were average, good weeks for the mission at that time. </p>
<p>Some staff were getting paid $50 to $150 a week. I&#8217;m not sure what the auditors were getting paid. But that was enough to rent a room with a couple of staff and eat alright, at that time. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s all Portland is making now? Pffft. </p>
<p>Here is the inflation rate between 1978 and now.  </p>
<p>$35,000 of 1978 dollars would be worth: $127,272.73 in 2014</p>
<p>$35,000 of 2014 dollars would be worth $9,625.00 in 1978</p>
<p>$100 of 1978 dollars would be worth: $363.64 in 2014</p>
<p>$100 of 2014 dollars would be worth $27.50 in 1978</p>
<p>Someone should show this to the Portland Org ED and Treas Sec. Maybe they, being old timers, are stuck on the time track where $35,000 was a big week.  Might open the door to a handling, once they see why they aren&#8217;t being able to pay their light bill AND their staff.</p>
<p>What about it, Mark Stanley?</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2015 23:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81708&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike! That is so funny. I just googled that last night.  For those too young to know (or who weren&#039;t Saturday Night Live fans) here&#039;s what Mike was referring to. I added the hard of hearing part because, well, some of the &quot;still-ins&quot; can&#039;t hear very well, apparently. Plus, it was funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=butZyxI-PRs]]></description>
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<p>Mike! That is so funny. I just googled that last night.  For those too young to know (or who weren&#8217;t Saturday Night Live fans) here&#8217;s what Mike was referring to. I added the hard of hearing part because, well, some of the &#8220;still-ins&#8221; can&#8217;t hear very well, apparently. Plus, it was funny.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=butZyxI-PRs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=butZyxI-PRs</a></p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81859</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2015 18:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81757&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike, didn&#039;t OT III become public back in the mid 90s with the lawsuit of:  Church of Scientology vs. Steven Fishman and Uwe Getz?  Fishman entered the OT3 materials into the court proceedings to show how he was driven insane.]]></description>
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<p>Mike, didn&#8217;t OT III become public back in the mid 90s with the lawsuit of:  Church of Scientology vs. Steven Fishman and Uwe Getz?  Fishman entered the OT3 materials into the court proceedings to show how he was driven insane.</p>
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		By: Michael Mallen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Mallen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2015 14:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81813&quot;&gt;McCarran&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, and I&#039;m sure Galileo had overts on the universe too as he kept looking and writing about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81813">McCarran</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, and I&#8217;m sure Galileo had overts on the universe too as he kept looking and writing about it.</p>
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		By: McCarran		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McCarran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81790&quot;&gt;LDW&lt;/a&gt;.

I tried to make this point to my son before I got declared.  Everyone was allowed to use their own powers of deductive reasoning except Scientologists in Good Standing.  Here is the real crazy-making logic:
My son did NOT WANT to read anything negative (Entheta) ABOUT THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY or David Miscavige.
WHY?  Because my son did not have overts against it or David Miscavige.  One ONLY has a desire or curiosity about what&#039;s on the internet or in books because they have prior overts.  
I kid you not.  This is the &quot;Logic.&quot;  This is where the thought stopping kicks in:  &quot;To prove I don&#039;t have overts, I will have NO DESIRE to read entheta about the church.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/#comment-81790">LDW</a>.</p>
<p>I tried to make this point to my son before I got declared.  Everyone was allowed to use their own powers of deductive reasoning except Scientologists in Good Standing.  Here is the real crazy-making logic:<br />
My son did NOT WANT to read anything negative (Entheta) ABOUT THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY or David Miscavige.<br />
WHY?  Because my son did not have overts against it or David Miscavige.  One ONLY has a desire or curiosity about what&#8217;s on the internet or in books because they have prior overts.<br />
I kid you not.  This is the &#8220;Logic.&#8221;  This is where the thought stopping kicks in:  &#8220;To prove I don&#8217;t have overts, I will have NO DESIRE to read entheta about the church.&#8221;</p>
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