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		By: alcoboyy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-164188</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2017 03:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163775&quot;&gt;Donna C May&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Sister May:
I am also a member of the church (lds) who also happens to be a Scientologist. There&#039;s not enough space here to explain how I reconcile these two bodies of knowledge but I will say that LRH did speak of free agency. His term for it was self-determinism. Due to the leadership of David Miscavige, this is frowned upon in the current Church of Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163775">Donna C May</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Sister May:<br />
I am also a member of the church (lds) who also happens to be a Scientologist. There&#8217;s not enough space here to explain how I reconcile these two bodies of knowledge but I will say that LRH did speak of free agency. His term for it was self-determinism. Due to the leadership of David Miscavige, this is frowned upon in the current Church of Scientology.</p>
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		By: alcoboyy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2017 03:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163846&quot;&gt;OverTheBridgeTPA&lt;/a&gt;.

Were the Sea Org people kicking the homeless out?]]></description>
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<p>Were the Sea Org people kicking the homeless out?</p>
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		By: Deirdre		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-164174</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163774&quot;&gt;Mick Roberts&lt;/a&gt;.

Just as an aside to the discussion of Christian/Protestant/Baptist and then Catholic...really shows ignorance to, first, discuss a visitor&#039;s faith and then, to separate them out into categories that are actually sub-groups of the first. I note that quite a few of the Scientologist publications are like this...not well written, incorrect use of grammar and punctuation, not-quite-right word choices...always makes me think that if they can&#039;t get something simple like this right, why would I turn over my spiritual well-being to them. I wouldn&#039;t...
And, by the way, as a student of world religions back in the day, and of not any particular denomination myself, I can tell you that Catholics are Christians, and, as a matter of fact, are the original Christians and the genesis of all other current Christian sects, regardless of whether they wish to acknowledge that. Catholicism was the only Christian religion for centuries, until other groups splintered off for a variety of reasons. They all had their beginnings in Catholicism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163774">Mick Roberts</a>.</p>
<p>Just as an aside to the discussion of Christian/Protestant/Baptist and then Catholic&#8230;really shows ignorance to, first, discuss a visitor&#8217;s faith and then, to separate them out into categories that are actually sub-groups of the first. I note that quite a few of the Scientologist publications are like this&#8230;not well written, incorrect use of grammar and punctuation, not-quite-right word choices&#8230;always makes me think that if they can&#8217;t get something simple like this right, why would I turn over my spiritual well-being to them. I wouldn&#8217;t&#8230;<br />
And, by the way, as a student of world religions back in the day, and of not any particular denomination myself, I can tell you that Catholics are Christians, and, as a matter of fact, are the original Christians and the genesis of all other current Christian sects, regardless of whether they wish to acknowledge that. Catholicism was the only Christian religion for centuries, until other groups splintered off for a variety of reasons. They all had their beginnings in Catholicism.</p>
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		By: Gravitysucks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163865&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Bobble head dolls]]></description>
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<p>Bobble head dolls</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-164011&quot;&gt;It&#039;sjustme&lt;/a&gt;.

YEs, I have made this point before. Virtually everyone who was ever at Int has been accused of lying by Miscavige. And in doing &quot;lower conditions&quot; or &quot;A-E&quot; (Yes, many people in International Management were &quot;declared&quot; and told their only steps were A-E, myself included 4 different times, including when I was on stage at events and being the spokesperson for scientology) one has to &quot;confess&quot; to lying. It goes something like this: An order to do something is ussed by Miscavige. You comply. The net result is some catastrophe. You are then accused of lying in various ways: either you didn&#039;t inform Dear Leader of all the facts needed to make clear to him he should not issue the order and therefore lied, or you executed the order wrongly and lied about what you REALLY did or have hidden Counter Intention and are lying about it.

So, you have plenty of instances of admissions, in people&#039;s own handwriting, that they &quot;lied to COB&quot; or &quot;lied to protect themselves&quot; or &quot;lied to cover up a situation&quot; or &quot;lied about their intentions&quot; etc etc etc

Not a single person who has spoken out has EVER said they lied SINCE LEAVING SCIENTOLOGY. Not a one (because they have not).

So, scientology then says everyone is an &quot;admitted liar&quot; to try to discredit what is being said now.

As I noted in an earlier blog post, EVERY scientologist lies. The closer you get to the top, the bigger and more frequent the lies are. 

See this posting: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-do-scientologists-lie/&quot;&gt;Why Do Scientologists Lie?&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-164011">It&#8217;sjustme</a>.</p>
<p>YEs, I have made this point before. Virtually everyone who was ever at Int has been accused of lying by Miscavige. And in doing &#8220;lower conditions&#8221; or &#8220;A-E&#8221; (Yes, many people in International Management were &#8220;declared&#8221; and told their only steps were A-E, myself included 4 different times, including when I was on stage at events and being the spokesperson for scientology) one has to &#8220;confess&#8221; to lying. It goes something like this: An order to do something is ussed by Miscavige. You comply. The net result is some catastrophe. You are then accused of lying in various ways: either you didn&#8217;t inform Dear Leader of all the facts needed to make clear to him he should not issue the order and therefore lied, or you executed the order wrongly and lied about what you REALLY did or have hidden Counter Intention and are lying about it.</p>
<p>So, you have plenty of instances of admissions, in people&#8217;s own handwriting, that they &#8220;lied to COB&#8221; or &#8220;lied to protect themselves&#8221; or &#8220;lied to cover up a situation&#8221; or &#8220;lied about their intentions&#8221; etc etc etc</p>
<p>Not a single person who has spoken out has EVER said they lied SINCE LEAVING SCIENTOLOGY. Not a one (because they have not).</p>
<p>So, scientology then says everyone is an &#8220;admitted liar&#8221; to try to discredit what is being said now.</p>
<p>As I noted in an earlier blog post, EVERY scientologist lies. The closer you get to the top, the bigger and more frequent the lies are. </p>
<p>See this posting: <a href="http://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-do-scientologists-lie/">Why Do Scientologists Lie?</a></p>
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		By: It'sjustme		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-164011</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2017 17:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just noticed on Leah&#039;s co$ hate site, they cite one of your videos that was took whilst you were still in, of proof that ex-$ are lying. Yet, they have a hate site about you saying you lie. Make your mind us co$, are you using him to support your claims or oppose? You can&#039;t have both!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just noticed on Leah&#8217;s co$ hate site, they cite one of your videos that was took whilst you were still in, of proof that ex-$ are lying. Yet, they have a hate site about you saying you lie. Make your mind us co$, are you using him to support your claims or oppose? You can&#8217;t have both!</p>
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		By: peggy2176il		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163985</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163864&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Or ask miscavage to fund the damn thing with all his billions that way He keeps KSW by donating his personal funds keeping it from the IRS and other WOG orgs.
Just sayin......]]></description>
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<p>Or ask miscavage to fund the damn thing with all his billions that way He keeps KSW by donating his personal funds keeping it from the IRS and other WOG orgs.<br />
Just sayin&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: peggy2176il		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just a thought......maybe those submarines that L. Ron sunk were really space ships that sunk?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought&#8230;&#8230;maybe those submarines that L. Ron sunk were really space ships that sunk?</p>
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		By: Tam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2017 01:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163846&quot;&gt;OverTheBridgeTPA&lt;/a&gt;.

I live in palm harbor. It&#039;s creepy going to downtown Clearwater. I&#039;ve thought for 35 years the scientologists are like ants going in and out of those buildings like ant hills. All of their buildings have shades covering their windows so you can&#039;t see what they&#039;re doing. I would love to see Clearwater revitalized but it&#039;s not going to happen as long as the city government cow tows to that cult. Residents won&#039;t go down there as long as the cameras and cockroaches are there]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163846">OverTheBridgeTPA</a>.</p>
<p>I live in palm harbor. It&#8217;s creepy going to downtown Clearwater. I&#8217;ve thought for 35 years the scientologists are like ants going in and out of those buildings like ant hills. All of their buildings have shades covering their windows so you can&#8217;t see what they&#8217;re doing. I would love to see Clearwater revitalized but it&#8217;s not going to happen as long as the city government cow tows to that cult. Residents won&#8217;t go down there as long as the cameras and cockroaches are there</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2017 23:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-pr-desperation/#comment-163866&quot;&gt;Patty O&#039;Furniture&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Patty O&#039;Furniture&quot;.  My laugh of the day :)]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Patty O&#8217;Furniture&#8221;.  My laugh of the day 🙂</p>
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