She’s literally been a council woman for Cresskill for over 40 years. She’s the only woman and no one in town really knows she’s part of Scientology at all. I’m a republican in town and she’s been middle leaning so you can work with her which is vastly different then most of the democratic party. She was an integral part of the recreation center located near the pool. That did not exist it was a literal dump and woods. The building the fields all of it was thanks to her, Fran Regan, and Mr. Corby amongst others. I do not believe in the Scientology nonsense but don’t just toss her aside because of her involvement. I really question how much of a roll she actually plays in the church.

Yes, makes sense. The smart people eventually walk out the door of Scientology because they see what is actually expected of them – to participate in abusing others and that usually begins by taking that abuse themselves. Really, who wants that much of a guilty conscience and continually create one? At some point the door is just too much relief not to run through.
Those that stay in, may say to themselves they are helping the world, but become so solid by being involved in numerous abuses, never develop the courage or fortitude to see what they are really doing. No wonder they work ridiculously long hours and deprive themselves of lots of necessities, (like sleep) and a extroverted life away from the group. Quite a vicious cycle to get caught up in. Group insanity is like a glue of sorts!
Sage observation from Jesus, but as you imply, the degraded ones such as Miscavige need some sort of consequence forced upon them somehow to get them to stop doing what they do – that’s the puzzle and dilemma we face – how & when? Tax exception removed and Miscavige in a court room explaining himself sure seem to be crystallizing as the solution to terminate the abuses cycle and indeed organizational Scientology itself. That is however, the Achilles heel of Scientology, while a tough target with so many resources, it does come down to just one man (he’s also only ever one mistake away from oblivion). The walls are closing in on him in that regard. Then the ones still in will “snap out of it’ hopefully. The hard core ones, like Chan etc will just move onto the next scam. They have no soul, like the lawyers on the Scio payroll. Oh, that spokesperson woman who dresses in a fancy corn sack, makes me want to reach for the bug spray!
Hubbard’s polices need a good bonfire!

You are right on EVERYpoint. Sec checking is not auditing. I’ve been sec checked. As a public I was sec checked for something, I forget what. It was done correctly on me and I benefited.

That said, I CAN DEFINITELY SEE what a horribly, horribly suppressive, CRUEL weapon sec checking COULD be (and from the horror stories I’ve read here and elsewhere) HAS BEEN and CONTINUES TO BE when used for the purposes of blaming and punishing someone. I’m shuddering just THINKING about having that same action done on me for THOSE purposes.

Why the cult allows their staff and Sea Org people to be abused in this way is beyond my comprehension. There has to be REAL sadism at the top…I don’t get it…what other explanation COULD there be?
Sec checking has to be done lightly and very skillfully and caringly with the CORRECT purpose or else its just – I don’t know – barbarism, comes to mind.

And yes, correct, Scientology won’t TOUCH someone they know or believe has been treated by psychiatry and yet the cult endlessly HOWLS about and decries the usage of ALL psychotropic meds which are psychiatry’s solutions for mental illness. Does this make any sense?

If the cult were smart they’d shut UP about medication and just go about THEIR business which is SUPPOSED TO BE auditing and training people!

But no! Like every “wOG” group (to which they profess total superiority) Scientology MUST have an enemy, so that the can bind their followers together, so that all the defenseless sheeple have a WOLF (Big Pharma and the psychiatric profession) to hate and fear in solidarity. Which leaves Miscavige I suppose as the Scientology’s answer to the Good Shepherd…its just too ridiculous and sad, just too disgusting…

I am so sorry that well meaning people who joined staff and the Sea Org got belittled and abused and degraded by the cult, by this little plug-ugly from South Philly.

I’m not one to quote the New Testament because technically, theoretically, I’m not a Christian because I don’t believe in the Virgin Birth and a lot of other Christian magic. That said, I have read the New Testament and Jesus (or someone) did say some very wise things, one of which I’ll try to quote now, and its for every staff member and Sea Org member abused and disrespected and hurt, past present and future:

Jesus said something to the effect that a person is not degraded by what goes INTO him, but ONLY by what comes OUT of him.

Its actually very cool. NO ONE can degrade you. No one can do that TO you.

Only you (we) can degrade you (ourselves). In other words, it is not what is DONE TO us that degrades us; it is solely what WE DO that degrades us.

Smart guy, that Jesus. Or (with all respect to devout Christians here) whoever might have said it.

Miscavige is a totally degraded being. HE is degraded. Not his victims.

A reflective point came to mind about, “Scientology will not audit anyone with mental health issues,” goodness me! What a massive contradiction that one is, buried by the mind numbing, ‘making the able more able’ bs, but it made me consider staff auditing. Apart from the criminally grueling sec checks they receive, started off with, “I’m not auditing you,” what actual auditing do they receive? I think we all know the answer to that – zip! Unless of course you’re rich & or famous or the siblings there of.
By the logic of this thread and Hubbard’s treatment (Miscavige put it on steroids) of his own staff and what is written in his policies, mostly lies about the Universe Corps and staff don’t have cases on post etc. It could be easily considered horrible to be on staff, be paid pittance, be denied a social and family life, being mentally abused, suffer a disgusting diet, sleep deprivation that all Scientology staff indeed experience, they all do have mental issues or sure develop them as part of their involvement in that organisation. I was never SO but from what I saw of the RPF I consider it a horror of a thing.
In my time of staff in a CL4 org, my observations (in quiet reflection now) was that we all believed in the anticipation of better and happier times fulfilling, at some point in the future, the aims of Scientology. When in reality it was exactly the opposite we were doing. By following Hubbard we were are the forefront of our own later regret of having ever being involved in the first place, we were truly had! Made slaves! To those that stayed in, in my view, they are creating personal severe mental issues with bearing witness to the destruction of others lives at the hands of Scientology. Aaron’s emotional response on camera of the effect of what disconnection did to his family and Mike’s book & letters to his family still inside bear as devastating evidence of the mental instability surrounding any staff member. It eventually catches up with you and you either get the hell out of Dodge and go lick your wounds, or a sort of concrete hardens in your head to avoid the pain and suffering you witness on a daily basis.
There are many definitions of mental illness, Scientology organisational practices fall under that dictionary entry.
Yes, Scientology doesn’t audit anyone with mental issues and that is defined by their inability & refusal to audit their own staff.
Personal note, I don’t consider correction lists and patch ups comes under the guise of auditing. I’ve done hundreds of them and the effect doesn’t last very long, a bit of a temporary case band aid. But with what a staff member puts up with on a daily basis, no amount of auditing of any kind is going to fix anyway. As opposed to celebrity “love bombing” as Aqua pointed out, but look at what that creates…

Correction. DEFINITELY not the target audience! 🙂

In 1994 I went to the Church of Scientology of New York (by being invited there by a staff member named Raymond Baiardi) to discuss my account. While I was there, my account was not discussed. Instead, two OSA people came up to me, jumped me, held me down on the ground, while the police were called and told I forced my way into the building and assaulted a staff member. The “Scientologists on the scene” inside the church (about 6 of them who were not even in the office I was jumped in) told the police how worried they are about me, that they want me arrested and held for psychiatric observations. All of this is documented in the police report I filed with the police.

Quite to the contrary, the Psychiatrist I got to speak to at the hospital asked me if there was something wrong with me for going there in the first place. She wanted to know if I was aware of the kind of reputation that the Church of Scientology has, and told me never to go there again. She cleaned up and dressed the wound on the back of my head the Scientologists caused and sent me home. This happened on Sunday, March 13, 1994 (yes, on L. Ron Hubbard’s birthday!)

CCHR complains they don’t get enough recognition and funding for their causes which are anti-psychiatry. But, if staff at a local org, actively suppress their own public and try to use psychiatry to cover it up, does CCHR refer to this as an anti-psychiatric move?

My basic opinion of it is that Scientologists are not yet ready to deal in a responsible manner with the public. This much I know, and the sooner other people know it the better.

I’ve noticed that Hubbard did quite the job of creating a belief system and organization that did just the things he accused others of doing. Psychiatry still wasn’t out of its early era of a bit too much amateurism and quackery – think Freud with his personal fixations on infantalism and sexuality projected into his theories and therapy, which Hubbard just created his own version of – but there was serious reform and modernization (the sort of thing forever forbidden in Scientology) by the time Hubbard started complaining of the profession’s shortcomings.

I think Hubbard saw psychiatrists making big money (Freudian analysis continued to be popular in Hollywood and in intellectual circles into the 60s) and thought in his cynical ends-justify-the-means way that he should be able to do the same, with his own version of what Freud did. There are also theories that underneath it all he was bitter about psychiatry’s inability to help him (before breakthroughs in psychopharmacology) with the issues that plagued him throughout his life, up until the very end.

So true…..The practice of psychiatry does have a very long history of embracing destructive and actually cruel “treatments” such as electro shock therapy, pre-frontal lobotomy, insulin shock therapy, et cetera. Horrible stuff!
But on the other hand there are shrinks who do talk therapy, listen to people’s problems and help others. Psychiatry does not have a standardized system of procedures. Once they get that MD license to hang on the wall they can do pretty much what they want. Interestingly back in the seventies there was a psychiatrist named Dr. Frank Gerbode who actually ran a Scientology mission! After the mission network was destroyed by Miscavige he won a lawsuit against them and founded the Traumatic Incident Reduction Association (TIRA) which has practitioners world-wide.
Most of its practitioners, including me, are not psychiatrists But some are.
It is irresponsible to paint ALL members of any group with the same brush. The only thing that is important is what the actual products are of an individual.