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		By: Valerie Feria-Isacks		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2021 23:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-401627&quot;&gt;Maria de Jesus Gutierrez&lt;/a&gt;.

Ding Ding Ding ...]]></description>
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<p>Ding Ding Ding &#8230;</p>
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		By: Maria de Jesus Gutierrez		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maria de Jesus Gutierrez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2021 17:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it possible they&#039;re experiencing a &quot;runner&#039;s high,&quot; endocannabinoids natural rush and trying to attribute it to Scientology, when it&#039;s purely physiological? Back in college, Psych 101 or thereabouts, we went over when humans experience something, they tend to look for an explanation. If they don&#039;t understand all the facts, they create a reason from what they&#039;ve got. 

Example was, guy goes to a diner for breakfast. New waitress mixed up coffee pots, decaf and regular. Customer always gets decaf, but today he&#039;s unknowingly, and accidentally, dosed with caffeine. His heart races, he&#039;s nervous, looking for a reason, only thing new (he thinks) is the waitress. &quot;I&#039;m feeling this way because of her, I must be attracted to her.&quot; 

With the running, some, not all but some, could reach that place where a &quot;runners high&quot; kicks in. The body produces chemicals resulting in euphoria coupled with reduced anxiety and a lessened ability to feel pain. Interesting it may be, and free it&#039;s available, but how many people would do that of their own accord given a choice? 

They&#039;re only there because it&#039;s a rung on the ladder and they were coerced to pay a ridiculous amount for it  I&#039;m not doing it, even for free, even if endocannabinoids are waiting. If they&#039;re not normally runners, not to the same extreme, slim chance they hit this state before. The credit would go to Scientology, because Scientology is there to claim it, however unwarranted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible they&#8217;re experiencing a &#8220;runner&#8217;s high,&#8221; endocannabinoids natural rush and trying to attribute it to Scientology, when it&#8217;s purely physiological? Back in college, Psych 101 or thereabouts, we went over when humans experience something, they tend to look for an explanation. If they don&#8217;t understand all the facts, they create a reason from what they&#8217;ve got. </p>
<p>Example was, guy goes to a diner for breakfast. New waitress mixed up coffee pots, decaf and regular. Customer always gets decaf, but today he&#8217;s unknowingly, and accidentally, dosed with caffeine. His heart races, he&#8217;s nervous, looking for a reason, only thing new (he thinks) is the waitress. &#8220;I&#8217;m feeling this way because of her, I must be attracted to her.&#8221; </p>
<p>With the running, some, not all but some, could reach that place where a &#8220;runners high&#8221; kicks in. The body produces chemicals resulting in euphoria coupled with reduced anxiety and a lessened ability to feel pain. Interesting it may be, and free it&#8217;s available, but how many people would do that of their own accord given a choice? </p>
<p>They&#8217;re only there because it&#8217;s a rung on the ladder and they were coerced to pay a ridiculous amount for it  I&#8217;m not doing it, even for free, even if endocannabinoids are waiting. If they&#8217;re not normally runners, not to the same extreme, slim chance they hit this state before. The credit would go to Scientology, because Scientology is there to claim it, however unwarranted.</p>
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		By: Xenos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-401233&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your reply, seems like LRH copied methods of his era - this one being akin to military punishment from back in the day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-401233">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply, seems like LRH copied methods of his era &#8211; this one being akin to military punishment from back in the day.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 21:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-401171&quot;&gt;Xenos&lt;/a&gt;.

You were just sent to do it ALL DAY. For as long as it took for Miscavige to cool off enough to need you back on post. Sometimes that could be an hour or two. Sometimes weeks. Everyone was expected to do the same thing. 

There was a Running Pgm In Charge -- for a while it was Clive Rabey&#039;s father. He had no training other than reading the &quot;advice&quot; from LRH. And telling you to &quot;keep running.&quot;

No change in nutrition for those on the program. If you ended up being on it for more than a few days you got a good tan and lost a good deal of weight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-401171">Xenos</a>.</p>
<p>You were just sent to do it ALL DAY. For as long as it took for Miscavige to cool off enough to need you back on post. Sometimes that could be an hour or two. Sometimes weeks. Everyone was expected to do the same thing. </p>
<p>There was a Running Pgm In Charge &#8212; for a while it was Clive Rabey&#8217;s father. He had no training other than reading the &#8220;advice&#8221; from LRH. And telling you to &#8220;keep running.&#8221;</p>
<p>No change in nutrition for those on the program. If you ended up being on it for more than a few days you got a good tan and lost a good deal of weight.</p>
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		By: Real		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 13:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-400903&quot;&gt;Doug Sprinkle&lt;/a&gt;.

Doug, In outer-space while circling a star there can be no counter-clockwise or its reverse.  It depends on which &quot;side&quot; the observer is viewing from.  As &quot;thetans&quot; have no physical form they have no left or right.  

Most of what Hubturd spewed was internally inconsistent.  Much less in alignment with actual reality...  THAT should be a BIG hint.  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-400903">Doug Sprinkle</a>.</p>
<p>Doug, In outer-space while circling a star there can be no counter-clockwise or its reverse.  It depends on which &#8220;side&#8221; the observer is viewing from.  As &#8220;thetans&#8221; have no physical form they have no left or right.  </p>
<p>Most of what Hubturd spewed was internally inconsistent.  Much less in alignment with actual reality&#8230;  THAT should be a BIG hint.  😉</p>
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		By: Rip Van Winkle		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-401183</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rip Van Winkle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 12:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-400963&quot;&gt;McThetanburger&lt;/a&gt;.

Heyyyyyyyyyy ... who misses those &quot;INCOMM Staff member weekly reports?......

The amount of micro-managing complexities INCOMM introduced with its routing forms and weekly reports like tax forms is truly something of note.

An episode or two of anything could be done just on the massive scale injection of tail-chasing paperwork introduced.

Any archival staff member reports about?  The HCO reports were pretty thorough.  Every effin week.

checksheets and routing forms and fine print paper bridges

little boxes made of ticky tacky.... scientology all day long.]]></description>
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<p>Heyyyyyyyyyy &#8230; who misses those &#8220;INCOMM Staff member weekly reports?&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The amount of micro-managing complexities INCOMM introduced with its routing forms and weekly reports like tax forms is truly something of note.</p>
<p>An episode or two of anything could be done just on the massive scale injection of tail-chasing paperwork introduced.</p>
<p>Any archival staff member reports about?  The HCO reports were pretty thorough.  Every effin week.</p>
<p>checksheets and routing forms and fine print paper bridges</p>
<p>little boxes made of ticky tacky&#8230;. scientology all day long.</p>
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		By: Xenos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xenos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 08:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-400896&quot;&gt;Anne Hill&lt;/a&gt;.

Anne or Mike, just to satisfy my curious mind could you guys give more specifics? For example how long people were expected to do this daily for how many days ? Was this supervised, was their either a personal trainer in attendance, medical staff  etc 

Was it a one size fits all approach ? Ie was a 80 year old expected to do the same program a 25 year old was ? 

Did the nutrition meet the program? Obviously excessive demand put on the body creates stress whereby nutritional needs are altered. 

This program might be good for Mikes AFL side - send Collingwood there, they might win a game after increasing their fitness !!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-400896">Anne Hill</a>.</p>
<p>Anne or Mike, just to satisfy my curious mind could you guys give more specifics? For example how long people were expected to do this daily for how many days ? Was this supervised, was their either a personal trainer in attendance, medical staff  etc </p>
<p>Was it a one size fits all approach ? Ie was a 80 year old expected to do the same program a 25 year old was ? </p>
<p>Did the nutrition meet the program? Obviously excessive demand put on the body creates stress whereby nutritional needs are altered. </p>
<p>This program might be good for Mikes AFL side &#8211; send Collingwood there, they might win a game after increasing their fitness !!!</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 05:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-400966&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s what I think too.  Thank you for the references.]]></description>
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<p>That&#8217;s what I think too.  Thank you for the references.</p>
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		By: NNGrad		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NNGrad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 04:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-401115&quot;&gt;Alex Castillo&lt;/a&gt;.

They are shrinking by themselves

We are in post pandemic internet era and scientology still continue working in Sixties policy, 50 years under reality.

A simple and not too smart search in google can get you a refreshing and wise advice about what is going on in the cult.

No one will start a service or a course, not even being paid for so.

Its a matter of maybe 10 to 15 years 

After that planet earth will be cleared of scientologists]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-401115">Alex Castillo</a>.</p>
<p>They are shrinking by themselves</p>
<p>We are in post pandemic internet era and scientology still continue working in Sixties policy, 50 years under reality.</p>
<p>A simple and not too smart search in google can get you a refreshing and wise advice about what is going on in the cult.</p>
<p>No one will start a service or a course, not even being paid for so.</p>
<p>Its a matter of maybe 10 to 15 years </p>
<p>After that planet earth will be cleared of scientologists</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 04:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-400966&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

In scn, ya gotta continue the process until you&#039;ve HAD the required and known expectation/ EP.  then ya gotta write up a &quot;success Story&quot;<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2122.png" alt="™" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> saying how great it was to experience the required End phenominon (EP), sealing the deal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-running-in-circles-literally/#comment-400966">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>In scn, ya gotta continue the process until you&#8217;ve HAD the required and known expectation/ EP.  then ya gotta write up a &#8220;success Story&#8221;™ saying how great it was to experience the required End phenominon (EP), sealing the deal.</p>
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