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		By: Everfree		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-65189</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64834&quot;&gt;Everfree&lt;/a&gt;.

I should clarify that renaming eternal slavery &quot;the SO&quot; isn&#039;t exactly propaganda by redefinition of words, it&#039;s renaming. They are similar techniques that have to do with how words are defined and how objects are labeled - which we all know is something Hubbard had some skill and knowledge in and placed a huge amount of emphasis upon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64834">Everfree</a>.</p>
<p>I should clarify that renaming eternal slavery &#8220;the SO&#8221; isn&#8217;t exactly propaganda by redefinition of words, it&#8217;s renaming. They are similar techniques that have to do with how words are defined and how objects are labeled &#8211; which we all know is something Hubbard had some skill and knowledge in and placed a huge amount of emphasis upon.</p>
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		By: cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64991</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64982&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow, Pepper, what a life that girl had.  But she was so lucky that you stuck by her.  I&#039;m glad she&#039;s doing OK in spite of it all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64982">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Wow, Pepper, what a life that girl had.  But she was so lucky that you stuck by her.  I&#8217;m glad she&#8217;s doing OK in spite of it all.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 05:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64987&quot;&gt;gato rojo&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said Gato.  Those Flag Orders were something that I have come to know have created a lot of confusion, where SO members were operating on data that other staff and public knew nothing about.  It acted like and was hidden policy.  It sounds like it was hell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64987">gato rojo</a>.</p>
<p>Well said Gato.  Those Flag Orders were something that I have come to know have created a lot of confusion, where SO members were operating on data that other staff and public knew nothing about.  It acted like and was hidden policy.  It sounds like it was hell.</p>
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		By: gato rojo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 04:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64834&quot;&gt;Everfree&lt;/a&gt;.

There&#039;s another aspect to the eternal slavery gig called the sea org. Anyone remember those 1&quot; thick packs of Flag Orders, page after page of how an SO member is responsible for EVERYTHING? After reading that thing (and getting checked out on them all) I came away from it feeling hopeless that anything could be done, and I might as well just do whatever the one yelling the loudest wanted, because then they would be making the decisions about what didn&#039;t get done, not me. Tricky! It let them be the macho boss. 

So not only are you stuck there &quot;honoring&quot; this billion year contract, you&#039;re in the mental condition where you feel you&#039;re going to end up in trouble for something every day. It was a time I re-resigned myself to trying to carry on within this structure and try to save face, or stay out of trouble, or keep the flavor of the week boss happy (execs kept getting busted)....where did clearing the planet go? 

All these things coming together in my mind eventually pointed out to me that I was a complete prisoner. I did see that. And while the Human Rights TV ads were on the production lines the one about slavery was absolutely correct about what I was experiencing, except where we worked was not ugly and dirty. Everything else in the ad transferred over completely to how we were being treated. 

I escaped shortly after that. BIg win. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64834">Everfree</a>.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another aspect to the eternal slavery gig called the sea org. Anyone remember those 1&#8243; thick packs of Flag Orders, page after page of how an SO member is responsible for EVERYTHING? After reading that thing (and getting checked out on them all) I came away from it feeling hopeless that anything could be done, and I might as well just do whatever the one yelling the loudest wanted, because then they would be making the decisions about what didn&#8217;t get done, not me. Tricky! It let them be the macho boss. </p>
<p>So not only are you stuck there &#8220;honoring&#8221; this billion year contract, you&#8217;re in the mental condition where you feel you&#8217;re going to end up in trouble for something every day. It was a time I re-resigned myself to trying to carry on within this structure and try to save face, or stay out of trouble, or keep the flavor of the week boss happy (execs kept getting busted)&#8230;.where did clearing the planet go? </p>
<p>All these things coming together in my mind eventually pointed out to me that I was a complete prisoner. I did see that. And while the Human Rights TV ads were on the production lines the one about slavery was absolutely correct about what I was experiencing, except where we worked was not ugly and dirty. Everything else in the ad transferred over completely to how we were being treated. </p>
<p>I escaped shortly after that. BIg win. 🙂</p>
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		By: Everfree		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64986</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 04:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64884&quot;&gt;Espiritu&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe this was directed towards me? I am simply describing one of Hubbard&#039;s techniques. I am being matter of fact about it. He renamed things in order to get Scientologists to go along with them, such as calling eternal slavery the &quot;Sea Org&quot; or calling the brainwashing techniques he outlined in the Brainwashing Manual (psychopolitical control techniques of handling dissidents) the &quot;pts/sp tech&quot;.

I am saying if you ignore the names and just look at the purity of what each are, they are the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64884">Espiritu</a>.</p>
<p>I believe this was directed towards me? I am simply describing one of Hubbard&#8217;s techniques. I am being matter of fact about it. He renamed things in order to get Scientologists to go along with them, such as calling eternal slavery the &#8220;Sea Org&#8221; or calling the brainwashing techniques he outlined in the Brainwashing Manual (psychopolitical control techniques of handling dissidents) the &#8220;pts/sp tech&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am saying if you ignore the names and just look at the purity of what each are, they are the same.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 03:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64980&quot;&gt;Bruce&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re welcome Bruce. I try to cover as much ground as I can and respond to as much as I can, but there are only so many hours in the day...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64980">Bruce</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome Bruce. I try to cover as much ground as I can and respond to as much as I can, but there are only so many hours in the day&#8230;</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64982</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64908&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

Cindy - we were just kids then and the mom was terrified and wouldn&#039;t report him. Typical domestic abuse case. There were six kids in that family and they were just good kids who didn&#039;t get into trouble. The man is an SP, and I don&#039;t like throwing that term around either. He would always act nice to me too, every time I went over there; a real 1.1.  It made me sick knowing what he really was.

My friend had a difficult life because she was also a lesbian but in the closet until the day she cut her hair off and started dressing like her brothers. She told me, &quot;this is me&quot; and I was afraid for her but told her she looked nice.  She would get abused by kids at school as well as at home.  I remained her friend in spite of being teased myself for associating with her but we were like sisters. It was heartbreaking at times. She is okay today and with someone she loves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64908">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>Cindy &#8211; we were just kids then and the mom was terrified and wouldn&#8217;t report him. Typical domestic abuse case. There were six kids in that family and they were just good kids who didn&#8217;t get into trouble. The man is an SP, and I don&#8217;t like throwing that term around either. He would always act nice to me too, every time I went over there; a real 1.1.  It made me sick knowing what he really was.</p>
<p>My friend had a difficult life because she was also a lesbian but in the closet until the day she cut her hair off and started dressing like her brothers. She told me, &#8220;this is me&#8221; and I was afraid for her but told her she looked nice.  She would get abused by kids at school as well as at home.  I remained her friend in spite of being teased myself for associating with her but we were like sisters. It was heartbreaking at times. She is okay today and with someone she loves.</p>
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		By: Lurkness		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 01:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64960&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks and will do.  Hope some people will avail themselves of the assistance.  A prosecution or two would be icing on the cake.  I suspect the fear of prosecution is why free-loader debt is not being enforced for the staff dismissed in LA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64960">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks and will do.  Hope some people will avail themselves of the assistance.  A prosecution or two would be icing on the cake.  I suspect the fear of prosecution is why free-loader debt is not being enforced for the staff dismissed in LA.</p>
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		By: Bruce		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 00:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64882&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Mike, my wondering if the Billion Year Commitment was known widely inside Scientology was prompted by reading an earlier post in this thread, in which a reader (a former scientologist) mentioned how he was taken aback when he read that Billion Year stipulation in the SO staff contract, so I thought that perhaps some, if not many, scientologists may not have been aware of that....but I stand corrected,Mike ---thank you for clarifying that....

I am one of those &quot;wascally wogs&quot; who was never in scientology, but I have had friends who were studying it, so I was naturally curious about the subject....

Your blog serves as a great learning resource to us &quot;never-ins&quot; , so thank you for all that you do to make such info known to all of us. 

 To draw a rough analogy to the TV series &quot;Kung Fu&quot;, I and others like me are the &quot;Grasshopper&quot; to you, our wisened sage &quot;Master Po&quot;....Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64882">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Mike, my wondering if the Billion Year Commitment was known widely inside Scientology was prompted by reading an earlier post in this thread, in which a reader (a former scientologist) mentioned how he was taken aback when he read that Billion Year stipulation in the SO staff contract, so I thought that perhaps some, if not many, scientologists may not have been aware of that&#8230;.but I stand corrected,Mike &#8212;thank you for clarifying that&#8230;.</p>
<p>I am one of those &#8220;wascally wogs&#8221; who was never in scientology, but I have had friends who were studying it, so I was naturally curious about the subject&#8230;.</p>
<p>Your blog serves as a great learning resource to us &#8220;never-ins&#8221; , so thank you for all that you do to make such info known to all of us. </p>
<p> To draw a rough analogy to the TV series &#8220;Kung Fu&#8221;, I and others like me are the &#8220;Grasshopper&#8221; to you, our wisened sage &#8220;Master Po&#8221;&#8230;.Thanks!</p>
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		By: MJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 00:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64975&quot;&gt;Swampland4Sale&lt;/a&gt;.

Believe it or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-slavery/#comment-64975">Swampland4Sale</a>.</p>
<p>Believe it or not.</p>
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