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		By: Peridot		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The last encounter I had with Bob Adams of OSA West US was shortly after Donald Trump was elected, so fall 2016. Without provocation (we were talking about something else), he darkly volunteered: &quot;Trump has GOT TO BUILD THAT WALL!&quot;  Folks recall, DJT heavily ran on a promise he would build a border wall and get Mexico to pay for it.

Now, remember, this is not a political blog.  My mention of this utterance from a highly trained experienced C of S spokesperson and PR handler + New OT 8 is not to invite political commentary.  It is merely to say what immediately came into my mind: What about the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13, part 2: &quot;Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.&quot;

One of the grand super important 4th dynamic (all of mankind) global campaigns of the Church is their partnership with the U.N. to espouse, bring into understanding and into existence the fact of all of these human rights in every country around the world.

Another instance of cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy.

Pick a lane.  Is the group in favor of human rights including the right to move and relocate to safety, or no, forget that?

Pick a lane.

In Central America there is a heavy successful penetration of &quot;The Way to Happiness&quot; to remedy, so we are told, citizens&#039; proclivities toward crime and violence.

This all again, in my mind begged the question: Well, which is it?  Are we actively through Freewinds campaigns in these countries (that I have been asked to donate to, and have enthusiastically) helping to improve conditions, or are we... fully on-board with dismissing and discarding people in countries which are struggling with controlling crime?

Once again, not trying to be political. I am mentioning this because of the disconnect and, to me, deep oddity of what was not being just stated, but quite emphatically conveyed as something &quot;effect&quot; and dramatic and victim-y. Not a &quot;Cause over life&quot; or &quot;We have solutions to all of man&#039;s problems [and we are winning]&quot; viewpoint that parishioners everywhere are so often told. With confidence, I might add.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last encounter I had with Bob Adams of OSA West US was shortly after Donald Trump was elected, so fall 2016. Without provocation (we were talking about something else), he darkly volunteered: &#8220;Trump has GOT TO BUILD THAT WALL!&#8221;  Folks recall, DJT heavily ran on a promise he would build a border wall and get Mexico to pay for it.</p>
<p>Now, remember, this is not a political blog.  My mention of this utterance from a highly trained experienced C of S spokesperson and PR handler + New OT 8 is not to invite political commentary.  It is merely to say what immediately came into my mind: What about the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13, part 2: &#8220;Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the grand super important 4th dynamic (all of mankind) global campaigns of the Church is their partnership with the U.N. to espouse, bring into understanding and into existence the fact of all of these human rights in every country around the world.</p>
<p>Another instance of cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy.</p>
<p>Pick a lane.  Is the group in favor of human rights including the right to move and relocate to safety, or no, forget that?</p>
<p>Pick a lane.</p>
<p>In Central America there is a heavy successful penetration of &#8220;The Way to Happiness&#8221; to remedy, so we are told, citizens&#8217; proclivities toward crime and violence.</p>
<p>This all again, in my mind begged the question: Well, which is it?  Are we actively through Freewinds campaigns in these countries (that I have been asked to donate to, and have enthusiastically) helping to improve conditions, or are we&#8230; fully on-board with dismissing and discarding people in countries which are struggling with controlling crime?</p>
<p>Once again, not trying to be political. I am mentioning this because of the disconnect and, to me, deep oddity of what was not being just stated, but quite emphatically conveyed as something &#8220;effect&#8221; and dramatic and victim-y. Not a &#8220;Cause over life&#8221; or &#8220;We have solutions to all of man&#8217;s problems [and we are winning]&#8221; viewpoint that parishioners everywhere are so often told. With confidence, I might add.</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362193&quot;&gt;The Dark Avenger&lt;/a&gt;.

The New York Times did more than one investigative article concerning Lisa McPherson, in 1997 and 1998. If one is a subscriber to NY Times, it would be easy to access. My place of employment at the time faithfully received the NY Times daily and this front-page article concerning my fellow group member, Lisa McPherson, was one time I privately violated the mandate to have no exposure to any media unfavorable to C of S.

Part of the back story reported how Lisa—once she relocated to Clearwater to be a good group member and dedicate herself to the Bridge—routinely &quot;on-lines&quot; included on registration and fundraising lines weekly. This persisted for months and months, is my memory of what I read. 

The story reported how she had been expressing doubts to some of her family and friends in her hometown.  I think this has been reported elsewhere, directly leading up to the car accident, she was communicating to non-Scientologists in her life that she was thinking of concluding her Clearwater life and moving back home.

I got a clear picture, she was a parishioner in a multi-months barrage of both intensive and after intensive of auditing, plus intense demanding &quot;Thursday before 2&quot; stat pushes demanding more and more money from her.  I think she was donating a significant percentage of her salary (working for a WISE member company?). There was a part of her that was beginning to question: Is this not really a virtuous and help-filled rocket ride, but a de-stabilizing rollercoaster ride?

If you are an Ex-, this dilemma will be real to you.  If you personally, or if you have been close to someone, who got robustly and ongoing thrust into WEEKLY Thurs. before 2 hard-core reg and fundraising pummeling, then you know that alone can drive a person around the bend.

I am so sorry for her, and the horrendous dwindling spiral she was repeatedly thrown into. It is rather unfathomable—save for, it sounds like, an undisclosed civil suit settlement—that no one in C of S had to pay for this SERIES of crimes. 

Of course, for group members, what we do know came out of this was the big, beefy multi-page &quot;I will not sue C of S&quot; and &quot;I authorize C of S staff to come retrieve me if I end up in the hands of psychiatry&quot; mandatory form we have to sign before each service.  I know many of us have now looked at this with a better set of eyes—all done to protect and benefit the Church. Certainly not done to protect or benefit the parishioner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362193">The Dark Avenger</a>.</p>
<p>The New York Times did more than one investigative article concerning Lisa McPherson, in 1997 and 1998. If one is a subscriber to NY Times, it would be easy to access. My place of employment at the time faithfully received the NY Times daily and this front-page article concerning my fellow group member, Lisa McPherson, was one time I privately violated the mandate to have no exposure to any media unfavorable to C of S.</p>
<p>Part of the back story reported how Lisa—once she relocated to Clearwater to be a good group member and dedicate herself to the Bridge—routinely &#8220;on-lines&#8221; included on registration and fundraising lines weekly. This persisted for months and months, is my memory of what I read. </p>
<p>The story reported how she had been expressing doubts to some of her family and friends in her hometown.  I think this has been reported elsewhere, directly leading up to the car accident, she was communicating to non-Scientologists in her life that she was thinking of concluding her Clearwater life and moving back home.</p>
<p>I got a clear picture, she was a parishioner in a multi-months barrage of both intensive and after intensive of auditing, plus intense demanding &#8220;Thursday before 2&#8221; stat pushes demanding more and more money from her.  I think she was donating a significant percentage of her salary (working for a WISE member company?). There was a part of her that was beginning to question: Is this not really a virtuous and help-filled rocket ride, but a de-stabilizing rollercoaster ride?</p>
<p>If you are an Ex-, this dilemma will be real to you.  If you personally, or if you have been close to someone, who got robustly and ongoing thrust into WEEKLY Thurs. before 2 hard-core reg and fundraising pummeling, then you know that alone can drive a person around the bend.</p>
<p>I am so sorry for her, and the horrendous dwindling spiral she was repeatedly thrown into. It is rather unfathomable—save for, it sounds like, an undisclosed civil suit settlement—that no one in C of S had to pay for this SERIES of crimes. </p>
<p>Of course, for group members, what we do know came out of this was the big, beefy multi-page &#8220;I will not sue C of S&#8221; and &#8220;I authorize C of S staff to come retrieve me if I end up in the hands of psychiatry&#8221; mandatory form we have to sign before each service.  I know many of us have now looked at this with a better set of eyes—all done to protect and benefit the Church. Certainly not done to protect or benefit the parishioner.</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362279&quot;&gt;unelectedfloofgoofer&lt;/a&gt;.

This is an excellent theory. For Marty, I can imagine the chance to dictate tech might be even more appealing than just money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362279">unelectedfloofgoofer</a>.</p>
<p>This is an excellent theory. For Marty, I can imagine the chance to dictate tech might be even more appealing than just money.</p>
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		By: Episode 10: Attorney Ray Jeffrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2020 13:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] subsequently Marty Rathbun became scientology&#8217;s main spokesman against Leah Remini, me and Tony Ortega (with a few other select targets thrown in from time to [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] subsequently Marty Rathbun became scientology&#8217;s main spokesman against Leah Remini, me and Tony Ortega (with a few other select targets thrown in from time to [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 18:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362229&quot;&gt;Newcomer&lt;/a&gt;.

Good one!  And probably not too far off the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362229">Newcomer</a>.</p>
<p>Good one!  And probably not too far off the truth.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362464&quot;&gt;JodiW&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Jodi!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362464">JodiW</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Jodi!</p>
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		By: Spar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 21:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362289&quot;&gt;kapow&lt;/a&gt;.

My lord. That whole article was just about how DM had his feelings hurt and was publicly embarrassed. Do you really think an article that is on the COS page is going to make DM look bad. No, they are just going to attack the ones who know the real DM. That man is a narcissist. All this &quot;religion&quot; does is brain wash people. There is NO religion that you have to pay to be i, but this one, how people can&#039;t see what this really is is amazing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362289">kapow</a>.</p>
<p>My lord. That whole article was just about how DM had his feelings hurt and was publicly embarrassed. Do you really think an article that is on the COS page is going to make DM look bad. No, they are just going to attack the ones who know the real DM. That man is a narcissist. All this &#8220;religion&#8221; does is brain wash people. There is NO religion that you have to pay to be i, but this one, how people can&#8217;t see what this really is is amazing.</p>
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		By: gato rojo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 16:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362207&quot;&gt;Judith V Mason&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, he&#039;d be surrounded by his nutty loyal sea org minions/robots who would have you on the floor in two seconds, kicking and beating you. Or depending on who&#039;s there to witness it, as PartTimeSp said, you could get &quot;escorted&quot; away. He doesn&#039;t go anywhere by himself. You would never be able to get a fun little one-on-one with him as you describe. Gotta think of other ways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362207">Judith V Mason</a>.</p>
<p>Also, he&#8217;d be surrounded by his nutty loyal sea org minions/robots who would have you on the floor in two seconds, kicking and beating you. Or depending on who&#8217;s there to witness it, as PartTimeSp said, you could get &#8220;escorted&#8221; away. He doesn&#8217;t go anywhere by himself. You would never be able to get a fun little one-on-one with him as you describe. Gotta think of other ways.</p>
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		By: Nancy Vasta		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 07:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If possible,people,try to watch the film Judgement at Nuremberg and pay close attention to Burt Lancaster’s final speech while being interrogated on the stand.It is riveting and one could compare it to Scientology’s leader and his psychotic lust for total power over everyone and everything.What a pathetic,delusional little man he is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If possible,people,try to watch the film Judgement at Nuremberg and pay close attention to Burt Lancaster’s final speech while being interrogated on the stand.It is riveting and one could compare it to Scientology’s leader and his psychotic lust for total power over everyone and everything.What a pathetic,delusional little man he is.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JodiW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2020 06:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362203&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s called Bibby&#039;s Cakes. Try Rathbun, not RathbuRn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-spokesman-trashes-david-miscavige/#comment-362203">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called Bibby&#8217;s Cakes. Try Rathbun, not RathbuRn.</p>
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