I wish you every success MTC distilling the good from the the sick and twisted in Scientology (Ron).

And I am completely supportive of you researching any path, mine included, and coming to any conclusion your knowledge and experience dictates.

I have no need to prove anything, or protect anything. In fact, I suggest googling Yogananda and his group’s issues; the break away groups and battles. Learn from both sides and come to your own conclusion.

Freedom baby! It’s the coolest of the cool.

Life is a lesson in itself….how many of us have done or said things and that later on thought “What the HELL did I just DO (or say)……..
Mistakes make us who we are, we hopefully learn from our mistakes is a most important lesson and often times become strong and even better people.
So PROUD of all of you, despite the cost of disconnection from loved ones, made the choice to “blow”…..can’t think of a better decision than to begin life ANEW….stay strong, the best is yet to be.

Incredibly those in power were “baiting really nice caring people by taking all their money and having them sell off their personal possessions sold for cash in order to get THEM into BUYING their way across a Bridge where most of them found they would NEVER make it fully across….despite all the $$$, and time and effort they put in it to trying to complete the task…..how very sad is that.

Those harmed are left with life long scars…..emotional harm is NOT healed by “auditing”…..

Thank you Roger. And thank you Mike for putting up with us.

This is why we love Terra Cognita!

I recently read a ‘back and forth’ between my teacher and a swami which was published in one of the newsletters in India. That swami had taken exception to a rather bold statement my teacher had made. The argument went on until it came to its logical conclusion. Although a few rather biting witticisms were exchanged in the process there was no name-calling, there was no complaining nor were accusations hurled. My teacher ended up conceding to the swami. They finished up with genuine amicability.

Interestingly it was my teacher who took the drubbing that brought this exchange to his students’ attention! The debate followed all the rules including the one that requires a participant acknowledge when his point has been logically disproved. There was no shame in losing the debate and my teacher shared it because it offered insight into the subject at hand. Not to mention it was a great lesson in sportsmanship.

I commend you for exemplifying the standards of this great tradition, Brian.

Thanks to my time in scientology, I understand it perfectly.

Please don’t post any more back and forth comments. It just becomes tiresome.

So now it’s “fun” and a “hot and spicy” little game for you? How easily you switch over from it being a vitally necessary crusade. And all the smooches and “my dears” just make you look flippant and silly, at best.

I highly doubt you riled up My 2 Cents, and you didn’t rile me up either. It’s more like the same bad feeling I would get every time I witnessed somebody yet again kicking and beating up on a person who was already down – or even a dog.

I see you ignored My 2 Cents’ comment that Yogananda wasn’t a perfect teacher, either. Regardless of whatever traps he may have unintentionally set, I had no doubt that he would not have approved of what you’re doing – and it was easy to find a relevant quote. Amazing that you are just going to dismiss it.

M2C, I commend your determination to find the good in Ron’s teachings. He studied a LOT of brilliant people and took their ideas and fashioned them into his own. So, deep down, underneath all the circular thinking, ethics, and other awful mental control devices that were encoded into the doctrine, there probably are some really relevant, very workable ideas.

Using a simple idea from Christ (I am not a Christian, but some of the ideas are VERY usable), you can see how viable and “good” a tree is from the quality of the fruit it produces. Look at the cognitive dissonance, and other negative results most people have had after being in SCN. If the fruit is rotten, something in the doctrine is too.

I listen to Chris Shelton quite a bit, and he will even admit there are some workable, usable parts in SCN, but those GOOD things can be found elsewhere. Whatever you find that’s good, its not Ron’s original idea.

I respect your beliefs, and if you feel the need to keep practicing, that’s your prerogative. Personally I love the Terra Cognita essays, maybe you can’t get some of the abstract nature of them. Calling them a NON SEQUITUR, is marginalizing the author, who seems to have an excellent grasp of the material.

Some of us see the common thread of lies and deception within all of L Ron’s works.

Boy, I got My Two Cents and Marildi all riled up. I consider that a successful thread. When we can bring My Two Cents and Miraldi together it’s so much fun.

But the perfect world would be Foolproof responding as well. Now that would be hot and spicy!

Have a good week my dear.