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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 02:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-the-aftermath-s2-ep-6-the-aftermath/#comment-192128&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d completely forgotten about Kha Khan.  Heber Jentzche bestowed this honor upon my Mom for all the work she did for him in the GO loooonnnnngggg time ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-the-aftermath-s2-ep-6-the-aftermath/#comment-192128">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d completely forgotten about Kha Khan.  Heber Jentzche bestowed this honor upon my Mom for all the work she did for him in the GO loooonnnnngggg time ago.</p>
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		By: Lance Caldwell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lance Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2017 09:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello again.

I went to the tons of videos on different interviews and lectures by LRH. I now think that I get it. Leah when she was given the &quot;secret&quot; and her thoughts was &quot;What the F----is this&quot; was a completely natural reaction. Her mom was thrilled that Leah had finally got &quot;the message&quot; about the wee folk that attach to our bodies after being blown up by H-bombs in volcanoes. Of course, then the subject would have to go even further up the ladder to find out the next chapter in the &quot;secrets&quot; which would cost even more money, study, and hopefully not go backwards because &quot;you just don&#039;t get it yet.&quot;

I heard about a half hour of LHR ramble on and on about packaging people in boxes, and being blown up, and being transported from one place to another in DC-8 aircraft, and there was no flood but an explosion. Xenu &quot;The Bad&quot; is captured and put in a wire cage and is inside a mountain. Then they started a assembly line to bring back humanity, etc. Like Leah my reaction was &quot;What the F--- is this.&quot; Now LRH was lecturing to I believe Sea Org people, and I could not see any photos, just his recording, but nobody ever shouted out &quot;What the F--- is this.&quot; 

OK, this is somewhat like the story of &quot;The Emperor&#039;s new clothes.&quot; I am sure that most if not all of those who heard the original lecture was at best thinking &quot;I don&#039;t get it.&quot; but, like the multitude looking at the Emperor in the story who had no clothes was convinced that he did have in fact a wonderful outfit, even if they could not actually see it, and did not want to be thought an idiot because they could not see the Emperor&#039;s sharp new threads. That is until one brave soul said &quot;You have no clothes.&quot;

Scientology is like that story. People might not get the insane gibberish of LRH, but to say that they don&#039;t get it, is to be blind, and something is wrong with THEM, not the actual fact that the Emperor has not clothes in the first place. If I just go one step further, I can really see the clothes, and it is all very clear now.

Leah, Mike, Paul, and all the rest of the brave people who are on the &quot;Aftermath&quot; show, plus YOU folks who have written on this site and others about the abuses of this cult, are the ones who are shouting &quot;What the F---is this, and we are not idiots, you really do not have any clothes.&quot;

Lance Caldwell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again.</p>
<p>I went to the tons of videos on different interviews and lectures by LRH. I now think that I get it. Leah when she was given the &#8220;secret&#8221; and her thoughts was &#8220;What the F&#8212;-is this&#8221; was a completely natural reaction. Her mom was thrilled that Leah had finally got &#8220;the message&#8221; about the wee folk that attach to our bodies after being blown up by H-bombs in volcanoes. Of course, then the subject would have to go even further up the ladder to find out the next chapter in the &#8220;secrets&#8221; which would cost even more money, study, and hopefully not go backwards because &#8220;you just don&#8217;t get it yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>I heard about a half hour of LHR ramble on and on about packaging people in boxes, and being blown up, and being transported from one place to another in DC-8 aircraft, and there was no flood but an explosion. Xenu &#8220;The Bad&#8221; is captured and put in a wire cage and is inside a mountain. Then they started a assembly line to bring back humanity, etc. Like Leah my reaction was &#8220;What the F&#8212; is this.&#8221; Now LRH was lecturing to I believe Sea Org people, and I could not see any photos, just his recording, but nobody ever shouted out &#8220;What the F&#8212; is this.&#8221; </p>
<p>OK, this is somewhat like the story of &#8220;The Emperor&#8217;s new clothes.&#8221; I am sure that most if not all of those who heard the original lecture was at best thinking &#8220;I don&#8217;t get it.&#8221; but, like the multitude looking at the Emperor in the story who had no clothes was convinced that he did have in fact a wonderful outfit, even if they could not actually see it, and did not want to be thought an idiot because they could not see the Emperor&#8217;s sharp new threads. That is until one brave soul said &#8220;You have no clothes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Scientology is like that story. People might not get the insane gibberish of LRH, but to say that they don&#8217;t get it, is to be blind, and something is wrong with THEM, not the actual fact that the Emperor has not clothes in the first place. If I just go one step further, I can really see the clothes, and it is all very clear now.</p>
<p>Leah, Mike, Paul, and all the rest of the brave people who are on the &#8220;Aftermath&#8221; show, plus YOU folks who have written on this site and others about the abuses of this cult, are the ones who are shouting &#8220;What the F&#8212;is this, and we are not idiots, you really do not have any clothes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lance Caldwell.</p>
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		By: GP		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2017 02:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great episode. I am sorry that Paul talks about feeling stupid, as he did in Going Clear. The tactics of coercive mind control cults suck in even the smartest people. It has nothing to do with intelligence, as we see so often very smart, creative and big hearted people get drawn into these kinds of groups. I also would like Leah to give herself a break for not believing Paul sooner and seeing the light. One thing that stuck with me, I think that
 it was stated that Paul Haggis was the first celebrity to leave publicly... just wondering, what about Jason Beghe? Seems to me he was pretty public and I think it was well before Paul left- just sayin&#039;. Am I missing something? Keep up the good work guys!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great episode. I am sorry that Paul talks about feeling stupid, as he did in Going Clear. The tactics of coercive mind control cults suck in even the smartest people. It has nothing to do with intelligence, as we see so often very smart, creative and big hearted people get drawn into these kinds of groups. I also would like Leah to give herself a break for not believing Paul sooner and seeing the light. One thing that stuck with me, I think that<br />
 it was stated that Paul Haggis was the first celebrity to leave publicly&#8230; just wondering, what about Jason Beghe? Seems to me he was pretty public and I think it was well before Paul left- just sayin&#8217;. Am I missing something? Keep up the good work guys!</p>
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		By: Lance Caldwell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2017 20:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello.

I watched a lot of different videos on Scientology last night, and one of them was titled something like: &quot;When LRH lost his s---&quot;. 

OK, I just had to watch that video, being a SP of sorts and never been in the cult. 

It shows a scene of cattle on say a Montana landscape, with cowboys rounding up the herd. Then it cuts away to some cowboy on a horse who is sitting on a hill, and then starts down the path off the hill. I must admit, I wanted to burst into the song &quot;Rawhide.&quot;

I am not sure what the significance of the cattle being herded, but perhaps the cowboys were the officials, and the cattle being the SP&#039;s or low life, your guess is as good as mine. 

OK, back to the message of LRH. You do not ever seen him, but just his voice. He starts to shout, over and over the same words, into a fanatical scream. I have seen the same kind of behavior in speeches with Adolph Hitler&#039;s speeches. To tell the truth, (perhaps because I was not in the cult) and forgive me, I could not understand what was he talking about, but boy was he trying very hard (he protest too much me thinks) his idea to the perhaps dull masses (who might just not get it in a normal voice, but if I scream, the vibration will clear out the little folks that have attached themselves to you, and you actually will get the message). This is just a theory of mine, but I am going to stick to it for now at least. 

Check out the videos and interviews folks, they are really interesting.

Lance Caldwell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.</p>
<p>I watched a lot of different videos on Scientology last night, and one of them was titled something like: &#8220;When LRH lost his s&#8212;&#8220;. </p>
<p>OK, I just had to watch that video, being a SP of sorts and never been in the cult. </p>
<p>It shows a scene of cattle on say a Montana landscape, with cowboys rounding up the herd. Then it cuts away to some cowboy on a horse who is sitting on a hill, and then starts down the path off the hill. I must admit, I wanted to burst into the song &#8220;Rawhide.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not sure what the significance of the cattle being herded, but perhaps the cowboys were the officials, and the cattle being the SP&#8217;s or low life, your guess is as good as mine. </p>
<p>OK, back to the message of LRH. You do not ever seen him, but just his voice. He starts to shout, over and over the same words, into a fanatical scream. I have seen the same kind of behavior in speeches with Adolph Hitler&#8217;s speeches. To tell the truth, (perhaps because I was not in the cult) and forgive me, I could not understand what was he talking about, but boy was he trying very hard (he protest too much me thinks) his idea to the perhaps dull masses (who might just not get it in a normal voice, but if I scream, the vibration will clear out the little folks that have attached themselves to you, and you actually will get the message). This is just a theory of mine, but I am going to stick to it for now at least. </p>
<p>Check out the videos and interviews folks, they are really interesting.</p>
<p>Lance Caldwell.</p>
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		By: Lance Caldwell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lance Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2017 20:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello again.

I watched quite a few interviews during the night with different people. Leah, Mike, Paul, that were not on the TV series. Interesting and great to hear and see. Check them out if you get a chance.

I was relieved and glad Mike that you were not half way beaten to death by Marty, and did not have to have &quot;5 guys pull him off me.&quot; Quick question though, who won the &quot;Musical Chairs.&quot;

OK, here is a few things that I have gleaned from watching the videos. First of all, I am not sure how many people have noticed how many thousands of people have actually watched the videos. Second, how many people love the videos, third, how many people have commented on the videos. Perhaps my math is really off, but it seems to me that the word and message is going way beyond the beautiful show Leah, Mike, and their guests have started. It reminds me of a pebble thrown into a very still (don&#039;t say anything against the cult) and has made more and more waves and has disturbed DM&#039;s lake of tranquility. 

Another thing that I find very curious. The cult of Scientology owed a billion dollars in back taxes. DM, did not go so much into court and fight the IRS, but instead he went after the people (had them watched, got records, etc.) and someone, or a group of someone&#039;s, somewhere, who is very high in the IRS decided that if the cult would drop everything that they know of these persons or persons unknown, if they were point blank given religious status and not have to pay the billion dollars in taxes. 

If they can pay private investigators 10k a week to check on DM&#039;s dad Ron, then how much more would they pay to have investigators get some private information on a high ranking IRS, or other government policy makers. If it cost the cult 500 million, and they could write off a billion dollars worth of taxes, what a deal. 

I think instead of going after just DM and his gang, and name calling back and forth, which lets people know what is actually going on in the cult (at least those outside the cult), and perhaps mess with their recruitment of new individuals. There should be an investigation of who said and did what in the government organizations who sanctioned such a move as to make Scientology from a dangerous cult to an tax free cherch. I hate to say Scientology and church in the same sentence. 

I would imagine that the &quot;blanket&quot; forgiveness of the IRS, and perhaps children services, police, and other agencies who should and could look into the files of mistreatment, rape, kidnapping, etc. and does nothing should be looked into also. I know from what I have heard that those who have gotten away from the cult are reluctant to speak out, but those brave souls who have spoken out should have their day in court, and the cult should be held accountable. 

Wouldn&#039;t it be just too wonderful if Tom Cruise, would be at a major function (LRH birthday party for instance), with his &quot;Metal of Freedom&quot; (or whatever) take it off, and tell the World that this is a cult, I and others have spent millions of dollars on a fraud, and I quit.  Think of that tonight, and have pleasant dreams. 

Lance Caldwell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again.</p>
<p>I watched quite a few interviews during the night with different people. Leah, Mike, Paul, that were not on the TV series. Interesting and great to hear and see. Check them out if you get a chance.</p>
<p>I was relieved and glad Mike that you were not half way beaten to death by Marty, and did not have to have &#8220;5 guys pull him off me.&#8221; Quick question though, who won the &#8220;Musical Chairs.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, here is a few things that I have gleaned from watching the videos. First of all, I am not sure how many people have noticed how many thousands of people have actually watched the videos. Second, how many people love the videos, third, how many people have commented on the videos. Perhaps my math is really off, but it seems to me that the word and message is going way beyond the beautiful show Leah, Mike, and their guests have started. It reminds me of a pebble thrown into a very still (don&#8217;t say anything against the cult) and has made more and more waves and has disturbed DM&#8217;s lake of tranquility. </p>
<p>Another thing that I find very curious. The cult of Scientology owed a billion dollars in back taxes. DM, did not go so much into court and fight the IRS, but instead he went after the people (had them watched, got records, etc.) and someone, or a group of someone&#8217;s, somewhere, who is very high in the IRS decided that if the cult would drop everything that they know of these persons or persons unknown, if they were point blank given religious status and not have to pay the billion dollars in taxes. </p>
<p>If they can pay private investigators 10k a week to check on DM&#8217;s dad Ron, then how much more would they pay to have investigators get some private information on a high ranking IRS, or other government policy makers. If it cost the cult 500 million, and they could write off a billion dollars worth of taxes, what a deal. </p>
<p>I think instead of going after just DM and his gang, and name calling back and forth, which lets people know what is actually going on in the cult (at least those outside the cult), and perhaps mess with their recruitment of new individuals. There should be an investigation of who said and did what in the government organizations who sanctioned such a move as to make Scientology from a dangerous cult to an tax free cherch. I hate to say Scientology and church in the same sentence. </p>
<p>I would imagine that the &#8220;blanket&#8221; forgiveness of the IRS, and perhaps children services, police, and other agencies who should and could look into the files of mistreatment, rape, kidnapping, etc. and does nothing should be looked into also. I know from what I have heard that those who have gotten away from the cult are reluctant to speak out, but those brave souls who have spoken out should have their day in court, and the cult should be held accountable. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be just too wonderful if Tom Cruise, would be at a major function (LRH birthday party for instance), with his &#8220;Metal of Freedom&#8221; (or whatever) take it off, and tell the World that this is a cult, I and others have spent millions of dollars on a fraud, and I quit.  Think of that tonight, and have pleasant dreams. </p>
<p>Lance Caldwell.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2017 12:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-the-aftermath-s2-ep-6-the-aftermath/#comment-191981&quot;&gt;Joshua Belyeu&lt;/a&gt;.

Joshua - I can&#039;t speak for Mike but, having read this blog for years, I believe he would have done the same if someone posted something that strongly opposed to one political side or the other to avoid the whole thread becoming a heated political discussion. He personally moderates this blog and approves every comment so imagine being there all day, having to go through streams of comments, not germane to the purpose of the blog. I was glad that he included your link so that the discussion could continue there.

I like seeing your comments because they&#039;re thoughtful and intelligent.]]></description>
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<p>Joshua &#8211; I can&#8217;t speak for Mike but, having read this blog for years, I believe he would have done the same if someone posted something that strongly opposed to one political side or the other to avoid the whole thread becoming a heated political discussion. He personally moderates this blog and approves every comment so imagine being there all day, having to go through streams of comments, not germane to the purpose of the blog. I was glad that he included your link so that the discussion could continue there.</p>
<p>I like seeing your comments because they&#8217;re thoughtful and intelligent.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2017 12:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-the-aftermath-s2-ep-6-the-aftermath/#comment-192332&quot;&gt;davekonig&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes there was, Dave Konig, but it was cancelled by DM. 

Seems that once you attain the awareness level of &quot;Feel for You&quot;, you object to peoples&#039; lives being ruined and that was crashing his stats. He declared everyone who achieved that level because they were not in alignment with Command Intention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-the-aftermath-s2-ep-6-the-aftermath/#comment-192332">davekonig</a>.</p>
<p>Yes there was, Dave Konig, but it was cancelled by DM. </p>
<p>Seems that once you attain the awareness level of &#8220;Feel for You&#8221;, you object to peoples&#8217; lives being ruined and that was crashing his stats. He declared everyone who achieved that level because they were not in alignment with Command Intention.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Halldancer Robin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2017 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-the-aftermath-s2-ep-6-the-aftermath/#comment-192212&quot;&gt;Lance Caldwell&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks! I will do this immediately!]]></description>
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<p>Thanks! I will do this immediately!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Honestly, if the Cof$ were really trying to destroy the reputations of apostates like Paul, Leah and Mike, why aren&#039;t they better at it? Speaking as a &quot;plebe&quot; who lives in the South (and yes, bizarrely, there&#039;s a Celebrity Centre in Nashville TN -- parking lot is always empty), no negative stories about Leah or Paul Haggis or other church celebs who&#039;ve broken ranks have crossed my radar. With social media being so easily weaponized today, you&#039;d think that would be an easy tool for them to deploy. Heck, Russia was able to use Facebook to swing our election! 

Seems to me the intent is no longer to destroy the reputations of critics (as happened with Paulette Cooper) so much as to discredit apostates exclusively for those still inside the church. In other words, they&#039;re circling the wagons. This is a behavior of a church that is dying. Closing ranks. Holding on to what it has, as opposed to trying exerting its power and influence in the world at large. They are speaking to a shrinking audience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, if the Cof$ were really trying to destroy the reputations of apostates like Paul, Leah and Mike, why aren&#8217;t they better at it? Speaking as a &#8220;plebe&#8221; who lives in the South (and yes, bizarrely, there&#8217;s a Celebrity Centre in Nashville TN &#8212; parking lot is always empty), no negative stories about Leah or Paul Haggis or other church celebs who&#8217;ve broken ranks have crossed my radar. With social media being so easily weaponized today, you&#8217;d think that would be an easy tool for them to deploy. Heck, Russia was able to use Facebook to swing our election! </p>
<p>Seems to me the intent is no longer to destroy the reputations of critics (as happened with Paulette Cooper) so much as to discredit apostates exclusively for those still inside the church. In other words, they&#8217;re circling the wagons. This is a behavior of a church that is dying. Closing ranks. Holding on to what it has, as opposed to trying exerting its power and influence in the world at large. They are speaking to a shrinking audience.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2017 22:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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Mike Rinder: I heard there was also a status in scientology called Chaka Khan that allows one to &quot;feel for you&quot;. Is that true? Love the show!]]></description>
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<p>Mike Rinder: I heard there was also a status in scientology called Chaka Khan that allows one to &#8220;feel for you&#8221;. Is that true? Love the show!</p>
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