I do however want to point out some things for you to consider.

Whenever I hear of any REAL positive “wins” (and I have no doubt that some experienced this) they all mention the PERSONALITY of the AUDITOR involved.

I say “REAL” to distinguish them from the coerced “wins” that are the trademark sign off and are needed to escape whatever session!

The “real wins” are what keep people trapped and oblivious/in denial about the REAL LOSSES.

This is why Independant Scientology works for many. And there are far less dissatisfied customers in Independant Scientology than there are in CoS

And why taking that path as they learn to reintegrate back into wog world means that Independant Scientology is merely a stepping stone/holding stage for many while for others it is also where they are happy to stay.

ALWAYS though, it comes down to the personality of the Auditor – AND the service user!

The TECH – we’ll it is well documented where that was cobbled together from. The cobbling together is pure LRH but none of it is original to him apart from the wrapping. The wrapping is faux – or as we say where I am from “All fur coat and no knickers” And it doesn’t matter if your flavour is LRH or Miscavige) (sp? I usually just type Slappy or get it wrong). Though at least LRH understood more the importance of providing service and the personality of the auditors. Davey never quite got those points, his experience failing to qualify as (or use) an auditor amply demonstrates that. He did however take on the rest of his experience with both LRH and the scam.
The COS seen today is an amalgam of both.
Davy has merely exacerbated the demise of CoS
It would have happend under LRH too.

The TECH boils down to talking about problems and perceptions of cause and effect of those problems and how to deal with them.. The geegaws such as the cans and KSW etc are just that. Geejaws.

In the wog world there are many displaying the qualities of OTVIII and those on the way to it.
That comes as a big surprise to many. Just as it does for me when I come across those who reach that level despite believing in ANY religion – no matter what the flavour! I am as shocked when I come across anyone displaying such qualities and being religious – wether the religion is Christian, Islam, Buddhist, Hindu, Science (oh yes, for many the misperception of Science, not Scientology, is no different to the claims of any fundamentalist religion) or whatever

People are people

One of the things many critics have a problem understanding is that what seems to them as normal isn’t normal for all. Being unable to see and understand that blinkers their whether perception too.
For those who have had the benefit of having a wise and compassionate person to talk about their problems and give a compassionate, uninvested and yet still motivational space to do confront any issues.

And of course some critics come from a different space.

I remember vividly reading Tony O’s account of his meeting with the Isreali mission holder when the whole mission defected.
Tony was very shocked/surprised when told he was exhibiting the very best qualities of an auditor. Because Tony was just being himself and what he perceives as the basics of a professional and proper journalist. I think that made him take stock of both himself and how people speak, feel and think about auditors. Which he was and is -yeah sadly not all journalists have his innate ethics! And he does indeed live by those ethics, and yes he sometimes falls short but by very little (AMAX is one of his failings for eg) but even using the most stringent of criteria he is one hell of a journalist! And one who works tirelessly

If The Tech is responsible for the wins then how could a wog exhibit those qualities?

Not only exhibit them but live them? Even, and especially, when so anti everything that CoS says and stands for
Because doesn’t CoS state so very vehemently that it has the ONLY answers?

And yeah,cognisant dissonance is such a bastard.
Nor is that only happening in CoS
It happens in wog world too!

And that is why I dislike CoS and LRH so much – because he took the glimpses he had of the truth and twisted it .

As do all religions IMO – including those who replace spirituality (and many “new age” spiritualities equate any other religion), religion and those who say Science is better without understanding both the benefits and negatives of science.

Thanks so much thegman77. I saw thousands have wonderful gains and I wouldn’t trade mine for anything. I’m really enjoying flipping a bird at the can’t haves and vulture culture, and finishing the actions, that I want and deserve, on my own terms. Btw….I love your upside down kitty. 🙂

Hallie Jane, I just wanted to comment on your earlier comments about OT8s and there was not “reply” link. That’s the second or third comment you’ve made on this blog which has really rung true with me. I don’t much care what anyone else has to say about whether scn tech works or not, I *do* know it worked fabulously well for me. And I *do* know that a caring, attentive auditor can open huge vistas for someone willing to plunge in and DO THE WORK. I also don’t care whether LRH actually created the tech himself, stole it, took credit for the work of others, etc., in the hands of a caring, attentive auditor, POSITIVE CHANGE CAN AND DOES HAPPEN. I saw it for myself and saw it with others. There are still well trained caring auditors out there, still students studying with indies. May they live long, prosper and go on helping more individuals, one by one, the only way the world has ever really changed.

So thank you, Hallie, for your good words.

Interesting comment for me Doug Parent!I was regged(unsuccesfully) some years ago, as a musician, to go to the ship.Smelt like shit then,smells like a huge pile now.Love having the instincts of an ol`alley cat..sure do!!

Yes Espiando – I know we have had our disagreements but that phrase was a killer, as was the rest of your comments above! “Wallet hoovering” – still laughing. Very good. I get the picture of Harvey Jacques at Flag walking around with one of those devices for blowing leaves away in a garden strapped to his back, except of course “the flow is reversed” and having rooms where one’s wallet is inspected, and then hoovered out – called the Reg Office I suppose! Or as you walk by him in the corridor he accosts you and demands your wallet is brought out and he sticks the snout of his hoover inside of it and then you are summarily and rudely dismissed as usual. “Wallet hoovering” has now become part of my vocabulary.

Well I’m afraid you wouldn’t get my vote OSD. Some of what you say – ok. But we cannot lose the subject and “the Orgs must survive for the sake of this planet” is still true for me. We just don’t want assholes in charge of them. Or haven’t you guys had wins from your auditing and training? Or were your comments tongue in cheek OSD?

They certainly wouldn’t want to drone on about how many miles of blue asbestos was found on the ship, would they?