FG, on the above two posts and on the other one you posted on this thread, very well said.

What I find noteworthy is how people will praise how wonderful scientology is instead of praising life for how wonderful life is. I believe this attitude has its roots in the general notion of Hubbard’s that life was the adversary and scientology was the tool to beat it into shape. Life had to be overcome.

In truth, fear of life and living is the problem. When that fear begins to diminish one discovers who they are and how wonderful it is to be alive. It feels good just to exist! It’s unfortunate if it requires being indoctrinated into a religion with its complicated methodologies just to feel good about life but I suppose it’s better than nothing.

My son and daughter are on solo not’s. They are on their 30. In the church they would not have had a chance to do OTlevels (money, eligibility, non recognition of their beingness not kool aid…) My son is trained as an auditor to grade 1.. They are highly interested in tech while doing buziness and artistic activities. They actually really duplicate totally freely scientology. They can one day deliver auditing. Scientology will not die but may decrease. But the results are amazing. Out of contact with the church I can see my kids experiencing great wins and actual OT phenomena as it didn’t occur inthe church recently. Of course there are other practice in the world, and thay can probably give also amazing wins. The time were scientology was alone in the market is long gone. The world has moved.

And John P, it’s true it is terribly difficult in the church and in the field to disseminate a new customer. While I have been giving coffe shop sesssions to non scientologists who would speak on their troubles. They were very happy. But I couldn’ have told them that it was scientology, I was to affraid to have a bad reaction.
The reason is that there is an ARC broken field of huge magnitude. Porbably 95% of people who were scientologists are ARC broken, including most of those still in the church. They all need to get the charge off on injustices, wrong indications (out list is the worst BPC). If one day the church get liberated of Miscavige, that will be the first action to do. Individual rehabilitation of each scientologists. And then after a while of cleaning the charge, the tide will change.

John P, Maridli. When the tech is correctly applied with an auditor who really apply auditor’s code, it is life changing. More than 20 years ago I had few repair sessions in Flag which changed my life for the better (I was younger, started a very successful new activty, had a huge space).
Good auditing means auditor with real TR0, no comm cycle additive (even sort of little opinion, unmocking slightly the PC) to have such a result you need a perfect qual, and ethics.
The church is run by an SP, so everything is perverted, and the field don’t have group with real qual and ethics. So the PC is not carried by a third dynamic. He is not safe, he depends on the auditor understanding of things, his frame of mlnd. Also one need a standard course per “what is a course” only then understanding of the tech can occur.
I am not a kool aid, even if look like one. Applying tech correctly is not robotic. Not to spot outpoints and actual suppressives intention s what as done in scientology and scientologist. Not to throw Miscavige through the window is an exercice in reasonableness equal as waiting for the full destruction of germany before succeding to kill Hitler.
Suppressive management, it is the first item on the list Terra Incognita. Scientology prior to 1980 was incredibly enjoyable and source of freedom. Altered on it’s intention it became a totalitarian empire.
But auditing delivered with slack TRS (because they don’t want to look too robotic) no correction of auditors based on standard tech, and it’s not contradictory with standard tech, a real research to improve. But done by people who already know and can practice standard tech to flubless results. It’s not a valence of flubless son of a bitch, or nazi RTC. It’s deep ethics comittement to the responsabiliy of helping your PC using the tools of standard tech (well understood, not rabotically applied)
And under what some could consider like a harsh disipline to train an auditor, you will have a free PC.
Think of the discipline it take, not to evaluate, to always duplicate and properly ack your PC, being totally smooth and natural. The creation of this auditor beingness. And to run the process to FN Cog VGI’s. The EP, this the magic. When the cycle end up so many time with FN Cog VGI’s. Life is not geared to losses, but to wins. And suddenly life changes for the better.
And this occurs with unconditionnal tech in. but to put tech in, ethics has to be put in, and as long as “COB” will run the church it will not happen. It will be an horrible scam, racketting money.
And on the field, building a workable and totally winning organization is difficult.

“Occasionally you’ll find a scene wherein a person’s or area’s PR is greater to him than his production – PR, personal PR, means more than production. And that is a characteristic of a suppressive.”

Exactly Tom, this is what Hubbard did with his claims of booming orgs. He did it to mask his lies about workable tech and Admin.

Lany. He is just stating empirical fact. “experienced a well delivered auditing session” doesn’t change those facts. That you think it does is … interesting.

I don’t, as much as I value his well educated input, he has never experienced a well delivered auditing session. There is something to that.

If scientology really wanted to save the planet, they could start at PAC Base, in Los Angeles, by turning the Pacific Grill & Barbecue on L. Ron Hubbard Way into a soup kitchen and feed the homeless. Such a kitchen cooks twice a day, five days a week, a block away at Hope International at the corner of Fountain Ave, and Edgemont. Hope Int., however, can’t keep up with the demand.

Maybe scientology could do a real survey in their neighborhood to find out, really find out what is needed and wanted.

Ho, Ho, Ho, “Scrooge McDuckavige”!

Sincerely,
Fred G. Haseney, an “extremely bitter ex-scientologist,” (1977 to 2014).

John P: “You need statistical evidence measured according to a specific set of rules to measure how successful anything is. If you were going to do that with OT II, you would need a random sample of all people who did OT, including those who got absolutely nothing of value.”

I would have to agree with that, of course. And I hope you realize that the same thing applies to the negative experiences you apparently have had or have observed.

Also, your speculations and projections are more extreme than most of the others I’ve heard. But there again, actual statistics are what we do not have.