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I think you’re right about the baby, Heathergraceful. And maybe about not being a plant too.

Cece – Yes, really sad.

Sad for Marty who, as we have seen, can be a very helpful and genuine human being.

Sad also that “little Hitler” would take advantage of someone who isn’t all there, mentally, and use that to his advantage.

Sad like how he left Heber in the engine room just long enough to turn his mind to mush. Horrible.

Funny how Scientology says they fight mental abuse but are guilty of the same and, possibly, worse crimes against human beings. Not so funny.

For Mark and Harpoona Frittata – We all do have the right to feel the way we feel and say what we want to say. I respect your rights to do the same. We all have different experiences and degrees of pain that was caused by lies he told and things he and his gang did to people that were inexcusable. Scott Campbell comes to mind.

But there is an old expression about ‘Throwing the baby out with the bath water’.

You can hate and revile him for his heinous crimes. That’s your right. IMO, there are still differences and similarities and, just because “Hubbard said it” doesn’t mean that it’s inherently evil. Some people did get benefit from some of what he wrote or brought forward from earlier writers and they might say it more if it weren’t for certain people coming in to try to beat the shite out of them for saying so. Who died and made you two the new thought police, hmmm? 😀

We can’t carry the bad habits of the cherch out here to our new, clean ground. Speak what you will, but not everyone will agree. Such is life.
Respectfully, indie8million – celebrating the time when “all 8 million” (joke) Scientologists are out.

Hey Dan, I think so too. It was a life-changer for me. So much so that, when I read it, in some dark hour, I walked around the house saying, “I didn’t do it. Wow. I didn’t do it.” Very therapeutic. I can’t/won’t disavow that help.

He didn’t get EVERYTHING wrong. It’s just too bad that, as time went on, for whatever reason, Ron succumbed to his own insanity. That’s sad for that human being and was destructive for a lot of people. I still appreciate what he did get right.

And THAT is Scientology.

It’s probably his unflat OT 3 case. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Think of pulling David up , or challenging him landed you in the dog house ” hole ” or R P F., little or no contact on daily routine’s , scraps of food bringing you to the level of degrading a human being .He used scare mongering tactics, operated evil intentions to mind control your think and invalidate you , so one wasn’t prepared ready to hit back, lack of sleep ,to be thinking straight , and to act in self defense , more so being shit scared to do anything , Let alone prepare mind to act for self. defense, Obviously it took guts for those that took risks , however authorities should have been told. and some one should have noticed those lines to outside were not available and was one of the most biggest outpoints .