I’m glad you and other observers who’ve taken Scientology up as a hobby or curious citizens, have shared your views.

Thanks for the info.

Karin Spaink deserves the Karin Spaink award, she’s a one of a kind legend critic category. Like Gerry Armstrong.

Dear loving person Chuck Beatty. I can not let you live in a lie. I learned of the Scientology Anonymous protest from a girl in Canberra Australia. I loved you from the first post I have seen of you. Terril Park did not inform me on Scientology, I crash coursed myself via Anonymous always having a critical eye of what is BS and what is actual. I have been the “Data miner”f or Why Wr Protest” and the “Old Ex Scientologist Board” just bringing up the old LRH Hubbard letters on kids and stuff. Terril Park was suprised I was and AnonKat on the old Ex-Scientology board and Cat Datty on Marty Rathbun’s blog. When he found out he wanted to meet me. And we have met on our search for Karin Spaink the journalist who exposed Scientology inner secrets in 1993 In The Netherlands (If you want to know about that google it or ask me). We had a nice little adventure in Amsterdam searching at the Newspaper offices on a Saturday. I asked at the main desk for us to meet Karin Spaink. She was in the hospital being threated for multiple Sclerosis. l Than we went to eat in Amsterdam and after that we tried to get a “Museum Pass”but it was too late. “The museam Pass would have let us in museums in Amsterdam after hours”(I TRIED MY SMOOTHEST WAY). Walking awat from the one museum Terril Park spottes a boat in The canal driven by a 10/11 year old girl so whem they docked he talked to her and said things like how she done so well given her age commaning that boat. Afte rwe couldn’t go to Musea there he asked me if he could sleep at my place in Groningen. So we went to my place in his car from Amsterdam to Groningen stopping along the way at a supermarket to get some french and belgian beers he loved. he slept at my place and after that we wenmt to the “Noordelijk Scheepvaart Museum”in Groningen. We had a good time, we alsoo ate at a PURE Indonesian restaurant because he asked me because he knew we had a colony once ther. We ordered and found the meal he wanted very expensive. I told him it was for two and on my advice we went “dutch” dividing the costs. I waved him out as his perfect sensible but god on ugly little asian car left for Belgium to target a belgian monestery wich onley sold beer betwwen a certain time period. Asl me more if you want Chuck Beatty. I have no perfect memory but it comes close. I always loved your posts on Marty’s blog because it seemed to soften him. Sincerely yours Cornelius Antonius Martens.

Agreed. Thanks. And it is full answer.

Oh, I see. Now it makes more sense, thanks.

@Jim Rowles,

This may sound like I’m fluffing you off with an easy quick answer, but I’ve read your comment carefully twice, and my firm conjecture would be a hearty “yes” to each question!

They are die hard Scientologists and are thinking on “ALL dynamics”. Love and compassion, sure. In particular I’d say his mother Carol is blind to his faults with that kind of blindly loyal and fierce mother love that refuses to see anything wrong with her child.

She carried him in her womb, gave birth to him, grew him to boyhood, adolescence, adulthood, yet she’ll always see him as the adorable little gurgling baby or small boy throwing his innocent arms around his mother…you get the picture. But – she is a die hard Scientologist (as are the rest of the Masterson klan and so she MUST “look from the viewpoints of every “dynamic”.

And you’re right, he is already a non-person on the world stage. However, I believe that she will NEVER abandon him; instead she will do everything she can (without becoming herself declared) to emotionally shelter him, for the rest of his life. Now, as for his siblings, I think they’ll detach from him emotionally over time.

Ditto his wife, that piece of work Bijou Phillips, who, if a bit of research is done, most certainly has her OWN “anger issues”.

But I think once Donkey Punch is officially no longer useful to the cult – a financially broke, non-celeb criminal in jail – indeed once any mention of his name publicly is anathema to Scientology I believe that it will only be a matter of time before the cult starts to work on the Mastersons to “move on”.

Why would CO$ do otherwise? Once he’s convicted and locked away for 10-15 years, ANYTHING he says against Scientology can be discounted as the ravings of an innocent being who “became” criminal IN JAIL.

The cult will take care of him after a fashion once he’s convicted, serving his sentence and staying quiet, but once he’s parked in jail if he ever opens his mouth with anything negative (read “truthful”) about Co$, if he can’t be “handled” he’ll be cut loose and his family (upon threat of “losing their eternity”) drop him, and he’ll be declared, and for all extents and purposes, truly a nothing on all dynamics.

Perhaps his mother MIGHT stick with him but in the end, my money is on the cult telling the Mastersons exactly, but exactly what do do as regards him, in every way.

My conjecture only.

Miriam, I think that much of CofS PR, that may really be intended for internal consumption rather than the general public. And those remaining inside the bubble may be a strangely select group who buy into that type of propagandizing.

Thanks so much, and this explains why I for years enjoyed your posting, you were a never in, and you did learn of Scientology from someone who was “free” of the regulations of Scientology, Terrill who did know Scientology.

I don’t know the Scientologist you say had their name in the book you mention. (My own books I lost years ago, I wish I could get my “Tech Dictionary” back, the one that has my name it in, since I annotated my first edition “Tech Dictionary” with literally hundreds of notes in the margins all before today’s internet.)

Common sense by outsiders is so appreciated, over the decades, and reading those comments is so helpful, thanks again for your years of great observations.

When you get too deep into Scientology, your common sense shrinks, and it’s good to have real people remind you of it.