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		By: Gabriel Halliwell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriel Halliwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2023 17:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-166620&quot;&gt;Susan&lt;/a&gt;.

Is that the org that made the deal with several used car lots?

Every night, the used car lots park a bunch of different cars they have for sale. It gives the impression that a whole bunch of suckers are inside being fleeced. But it&#039;s just the same old trick that many different con men have used throught the ages to make it look like something is going on when the truth is:

&lt;b&gt;THEY AIN&#039;T NOTHING GOING ON - EXCEPT IF YOU GO INSIDE, 

You will be separated from your cash and your credit. &lt;/b&gt;

Don&#039;t fall for this old trick!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-166620">Susan</a>.</p>
<p>Is that the org that made the deal with several used car lots?</p>
<p>Every night, the used car lots park a bunch of different cars they have for sale. It gives the impression that a whole bunch of suckers are inside being fleeced. But it&#8217;s just the same old trick that many different con men have used throught the ages to make it look like something is going on when the truth is:</p>
<p><b>THEY AIN&#8217;T NOTHING GOING ON &#8211; EXCEPT IF YOU GO INSIDE, </p>
<p>You will be separated from your cash and your credit. </b></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fall for this old trick!</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2023 14:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last time I checked, the Life Improvement Center in Seattle appeared abandoned though left furnished, like the one in St. Petersburg Florida.  I believe that for a long time after the BLM protests, it was boarded up.  The plywood is down now, but the Scientology locator site no longer shows any hours it is open.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I checked, the Life Improvement Center in Seattle appeared abandoned though left furnished, like the one in St. Petersburg Florida.  I believe that for a long time after the BLM protests, it was boarded up.  The plywood is down now, but the Scientology locator site no longer shows any hours it is open.</p>
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		By: Asher		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2023 07:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-249496&quot;&gt;Nicole Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s a &quot;High Crime&quot; to close an org. But when Scientology finally falls, that &quot;nest egg&quot; will hopefully be going into the hands of aggrieved parties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-249496">Nicole Smith</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a &#8220;High Crime&#8221; to close an org. But when Scientology finally falls, that &#8220;nest egg&#8221; will hopefully be going into the hands of aggrieved parties.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-166393&quot;&gt;John P. Capitalist&lt;/a&gt;.

Recently over at the UB, someone uncovered that the Seattle Life Improvement Center is actually around  13,000 square feet, with just a small entryway at street level and an elevator to a large suite on an upper floor.  It was apparently set up by a Seattle member &quot;whale&quot; who is a developer, and must be the mission holder/franchisee under this re-branded name.  

There&#039;s also one of these in Tampa that appears tied to another &quot;whale.&quot;   It&#039;s also nicely appointed, so apparently they are positioned as sort of &quot;ideal&quot; mission franchises sold to members who can afford to set them up lavishly, and subsidize their ongoing operation - apparently they ran short on staff at one point, but the recent check on them confirmed that they&#039;re still open.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-166393">John P. Capitalist</a>.</p>
<p>Recently over at the UB, someone uncovered that the Seattle Life Improvement Center is actually around  13,000 square feet, with just a small entryway at street level and an elevator to a large suite on an upper floor.  It was apparently set up by a Seattle member &#8220;whale&#8221; who is a developer, and must be the mission holder/franchisee under this re-branded name.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also one of these in Tampa that appears tied to another &#8220;whale.&#8221;   It&#8217;s also nicely appointed, so apparently they are positioned as sort of &#8220;ideal&#8221; mission franchises sold to members who can afford to set them up lavishly, and subsidize their ongoing operation &#8211; apparently they ran short on staff at one point, but the recent check on them confirmed that they&#8217;re still open.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 03:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-249496&quot;&gt;Nicole Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for those numbers.  There are indeed a few cities where Scientology&#039;s real estate has increased significantly in value - but taking into account the millions they put into specialized and over-the-top interior renovations that probably don&#039;t increase its value to prospective buyers, they may not actually be that much ahead.

And any gains like that, are likely more than countered by all the money pit projects in places like Detroit and Kansas city.  Plus on top of that, there are the abortive projects in places like Boston (the first property, the Hotel Alexandra) and St. Louis (the German House) where they will certainly have lost significant sums while paying taxes and minimal upkeep costs (like grounds upkeep necessary to avoid city citations) as the properties deteriorated. 

John P. has written about this from the perspective of a professional investor:

Scientology Ideal Orgs as Destroyers of Wealth, Part 1: The Strategy
http://www.reasoned.life/2018/05/ideal-org-1/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-249496">Nicole Smith</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for those numbers.  There are indeed a few cities where Scientology&#8217;s real estate has increased significantly in value &#8211; but taking into account the millions they put into specialized and over-the-top interior renovations that probably don&#8217;t increase its value to prospective buyers, they may not actually be that much ahead.</p>
<p>And any gains like that, are likely more than countered by all the money pit projects in places like Detroit and Kansas city.  Plus on top of that, there are the abortive projects in places like Boston (the first property, the Hotel Alexandra) and St. Louis (the German House) where they will certainly have lost significant sums while paying taxes and minimal upkeep costs (like grounds upkeep necessary to avoid city citations) as the properties deteriorated. </p>
<p>John P. has written about this from the perspective of a professional investor:</p>
<p>Scientology Ideal Orgs as Destroyers of Wealth, Part 1: The Strategy<br />
<a href="http://www.reasoned.life/2018/05/ideal-org-1/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.reasoned.life/2018/05/ideal-org-1/</a></p>
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		By: Nicole Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicole Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bought for 3.7 m in 2005, now assesses at over 8 M, closer to 10, since last assessment.  Nice little nest egg here in the PNW. :/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bought for 3.7 m in 2005, now assesses at over 8 M, closer to 10, since last assessment.  Nice little nest egg here in the PNW. :/</p>
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		By: Susan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s an &quot;idle org&quot; here in my Southwestern Ontario, Canada city.  Until recently, it&#039;s sat mostly empty however it&#039;s flickering sign invites us all to come in for an open house, every day, until 7 pm.  Oddly, I&#039;m noticing MORE cars showing up in the lot and a few days ago I saw a &quot;Volunteer Scientology Ministry&quot; van (nice decal paint job!) pulling out of the lot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an &#8220;idle org&#8221; here in my Southwestern Ontario, Canada city.  Until recently, it&#8217;s sat mostly empty however it&#8217;s flickering sign invites us all to come in for an open house, every day, until 7 pm.  Oddly, I&#8217;m noticing MORE cars showing up in the lot and a few days ago I saw a &#8220;Volunteer Scientology Ministry&#8221; van (nice decal paint job!) pulling out of the lot.</p>
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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Pendleton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 12:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-166477&quot;&gt;Harmless Weirdo&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve only been to Seattle once ... but NOW I think I&#039;d like to go there again and check out Third St ... and yes,  OF COURSE it would be on M, W or F between the hours of 1-5 ... haven&#039;t done an OCA in over 20 years ... might be fun ... you know,  slumming it ... still remember the oyster ommelet I had at Pike Market ...very good]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-166477">Harmless Weirdo</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only been to Seattle once &#8230; but NOW I think I&#8217;d like to go there again and check out Third St &#8230; and yes,  OF COURSE it would be on M, W or F between the hours of 1-5 &#8230; haven&#8217;t done an OCA in over 20 years &#8230; might be fun &#8230; you know,  slumming it &#8230; still remember the oyster ommelet I had at Pike Market &#8230;very good</p>
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		By: DeDe Parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeDe Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 06:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I read your &quot;Idle Org&quot; section, I checked out the Google maps on the one in my city. When you first put in the address, it looks like they are open. However, when you click on it, it shows that they are gone, the sign is gone, and it&#039;s for sale. There were only a handful (as in literally 15 or so) of check ins on their FB page, and some of those were by accident or done as a joke. Sorry Scientology, not wanted here. It was open less than 3 years, I think. I feel awful for kids brought up in it, like Mike, who have no choice. Or people who were preyed upon because they were vulnerable. Or intelligent people who just wanted to do what they could to help. GGRR.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read your &#8220;Idle Org&#8221; section, I checked out the Google maps on the one in my city. When you first put in the address, it looks like they are open. However, when you click on it, it shows that they are gone, the sign is gone, and it&#8217;s for sale. There were only a handful (as in literally 15 or so) of check ins on their FB page, and some of those were by accident or done as a joke. Sorry Scientology, not wanted here. It was open less than 3 years, I think. I feel awful for kids brought up in it, like Mike, who have no choice. Or people who were preyed upon because they were vulnerable. Or intelligent people who just wanted to do what they could to help. GGRR.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 04:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-166397&quot;&gt;Lawrence&lt;/a&gt;.

A Scientology Mission in Elizabeth, NJ IN THE BACK OF A DENTAL OFFICE?  OMG, Lawrence, I am totally, TOTALLY cracking up! 

People, forget the cult, go to the dentist!  The pain you receive there will only be temporary! :) :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/seattle-ideal-org-open-12-hours-a-week/#comment-166397">Lawrence</a>.</p>
<p>A Scientology Mission in Elizabeth, NJ IN THE BACK OF A DENTAL OFFICE?  OMG, Lawrence, I am totally, TOTALLY cracking up! </p>
<p>People, forget the cult, go to the dentist!  The pain you receive there will only be temporary! 🙂 🙂</p>
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