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		By: Tara		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-136170</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 22:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135839&quot;&gt;Chewkacca&lt;/a&gt;.

Chewkacca, that&#039;s something that always leads to me saying (to myself), Wow! And look at your life now!]]></description>
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<p>Chewkacca, that&#8217;s something that always leads to me saying (to myself), Wow! And look at your life now!</p>
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		By: April Holiday		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-136040</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135854&quot;&gt;WTF Ron?&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Bodies don&#039;t evolve&quot; is a sort of correct statement.
Species evolve, not an individual body/person/animal/whatever.
Evolution occurs via an accumulation of genetic mutations over many generations of individuals;  non-detrimental mutations that provide some survival benefit or make their offspring more likely to survive to adulthood and reproduce are more likely to be passed along to a new generation.
In an isolated population, over time the genetic differences become so great that they can no longer inter-breed with the original population and thus a new species is formed.
So, Hubbard is merely demonstrating his inadequate understanding of basic evolutionary principles, not that evolution itself is wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135854">WTF Ron?</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bodies don&#8217;t evolve&#8221; is a sort of correct statement.<br />
Species evolve, not an individual body/person/animal/whatever.<br />
Evolution occurs via an accumulation of genetic mutations over many generations of individuals;  non-detrimental mutations that provide some survival benefit or make their offspring more likely to survive to adulthood and reproduce are more likely to be passed along to a new generation.<br />
In an isolated population, over time the genetic differences become so great that they can no longer inter-breed with the original population and thus a new species is formed.<br />
So, Hubbard is merely demonstrating his inadequate understanding of basic evolutionary principles, not that evolution itself is wrong.</p>
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		By: Doug Parent		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135953</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 05:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135833&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;This is classic Altitude Instruction. He states it in that writing Altitude instruction.&quot; Good take. A straight &quot;you were hypnotized&#039; never made sense to me. The state you are in after being bludgeoned with enough of Hubbards ranting to the point of trying to make it fit in order to mitigate the duress of trying to track with Hubbards stream of improv is more to the point (for me). He just got us to buy in while indulging and steeping himself in it as well. We were all partners and co-dependent in a third dynamic delusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135833">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is classic Altitude Instruction. He states it in that writing Altitude instruction.&#8221; Good take. A straight &#8220;you were hypnotized&#8217; never made sense to me. The state you are in after being bludgeoned with enough of Hubbards ranting to the point of trying to make it fit in order to mitigate the duress of trying to track with Hubbards stream of improv is more to the point (for me). He just got us to buy in while indulging and steeping himself in it as well. We were all partners and co-dependent in a third dynamic delusion.</p>
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		By: Doug Parent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 05:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135837&quot;&gt;overun in california&lt;/a&gt;.

And that &quot;mind boggling&quot; seems (to me anyway) to speed up the &quot;curing&quot; of the cognitive dissonance &quot;glue&quot; that sets in after enough of these assertions ...um...&quot;datums&quot; gum up the works. The church (with it&#039;s authoritarian) instructional environment cannot silence dissent anymore or direct challenges to the efficacy of &quot;the tech&quot; thanks to the internet, which Scientology never saw coming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135837">overun in california</a>.</p>
<p>And that &#8220;mind boggling&#8221; seems (to me anyway) to speed up the &#8220;curing&#8221; of the cognitive dissonance &#8220;glue&#8221; that sets in after enough of these assertions &#8230;um&#8230;&#8221;datums&#8221; gum up the works. The church (with it&#8217;s authoritarian) instructional environment cannot silence dissent anymore or direct challenges to the efficacy of &#8220;the tech&#8221; thanks to the internet, which Scientology never saw coming.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 02:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135867&quot;&gt;Ann B Watson&lt;/a&gt;.

?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135867">Ann B Watson</a>.</p>
<p>?</p>
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		By: petlover1948		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 01:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135887&quot;&gt;hgc10&lt;/a&gt;.

good reply,thank you]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135887">hgc10</a>.</p>
<p>good reply,thank you</p>
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		By: FOTF2012		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135846&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

Right. Even many non-Scientologists don&#039;t understand that organisms evolving over time via common descent with modification is a fact (the theory of evolution is the current best explanation of the fact). 

And gawd, the Darwin-monkeys red herring! I&#039;ve read &quot;On the Origin of Species.&quot; It is a brilliant and comprehensive piece of reasoning and documentation. Nowhere does Darwin, or evolutionary theory, say that humans came from monkeys. That we did share a common ancestor with monkeys is evident from genetics and other lines of investigation. That we humans are great apes is true by definition. That we are related to other life forms is also evident -- I suppose we are about 64,000th &quot;cousins&quot; to our feline pets, for example.

Incident I, separation from theta with attendant grief, in my opinion probably just taps into some deeply embedded pre-emotional aspect of mother-child separation in the earliest stages of human development. There are some similarities, however, in Hubbard&#039;s claim to some other belief systems. For example, at least one mystical branch of Judaism holds that an event happened that shattered God and that we sparks of consciousness are the remnants of that catastrophe, and our awakening and reuniting is the precondition for God to emerge again. 

Questions:
-- How can theta, not having any location in space or time, no mass, no wavelength, etc. have a &quot;line&quot;? What the heck would that even mean? 
-- If we lived through the Wall of Fire incident, being dumped on Earth 75 million years ago, then how could we on average have gotten here only 100 to 200,000 years ago? Or is it only Body Thetans who went through the Wall of Fire incident? 
-- How could zapping pineal glands on an organism change the heritable traits that organism would pass on to its offspring? (It wouldn&#039;t. It would damage only that organism and not its DNA.) Note that here Hubbard is building on mystic traditions that far predated his religion -- beliefs that the pineal gland was the seat of the soul or consciousness, the &quot;third eye,&quot; and so on. 
-- OK, so there&#039;s a genetic/protoplasm line, a parallel &quot;Earth-theta&quot; line, and a separate &quot;theta-self&quot; line that came from somewhere else. The protoplasm line perpetuates itself via reproduction. The Earth-theta line must somehow both tag along with the protoplasm line and guide it at the same time? And for some reason, the Earth-theta line does not include Earth-thetans, and the only thetan-I entities have to come from somewhere else (where?)? Wait, you have the genetic-entity too. Is that just the protoplasm-line? If so why is it called an entity? The whole thing is as complicated as trying to explain the three persons-in-one aspect of a trinitarian God, and as hard to understand as Costanza trying to figure out Cornish game hens reproductive habits: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MCtC_U4e2o]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135846">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>Right. Even many non-Scientologists don&#8217;t understand that organisms evolving over time via common descent with modification is a fact (the theory of evolution is the current best explanation of the fact). </p>
<p>And gawd, the Darwin-monkeys red herring! I&#8217;ve read &#8220;On the Origin of Species.&#8221; It is a brilliant and comprehensive piece of reasoning and documentation. Nowhere does Darwin, or evolutionary theory, say that humans came from monkeys. That we did share a common ancestor with monkeys is evident from genetics and other lines of investigation. That we humans are great apes is true by definition. That we are related to other life forms is also evident &#8212; I suppose we are about 64,000th &#8220;cousins&#8221; to our feline pets, for example.</p>
<p>Incident I, separation from theta with attendant grief, in my opinion probably just taps into some deeply embedded pre-emotional aspect of mother-child separation in the earliest stages of human development. There are some similarities, however, in Hubbard&#8217;s claim to some other belief systems. For example, at least one mystical branch of Judaism holds that an event happened that shattered God and that we sparks of consciousness are the remnants of that catastrophe, and our awakening and reuniting is the precondition for God to emerge again. </p>
<p>Questions:<br />
&#8212; How can theta, not having any location in space or time, no mass, no wavelength, etc. have a &#8220;line&#8221;? What the heck would that even mean?<br />
&#8212; If we lived through the Wall of Fire incident, being dumped on Earth 75 million years ago, then how could we on average have gotten here only 100 to 200,000 years ago? Or is it only Body Thetans who went through the Wall of Fire incident?<br />
&#8212; How could zapping pineal glands on an organism change the heritable traits that organism would pass on to its offspring? (It wouldn&#8217;t. It would damage only that organism and not its DNA.) Note that here Hubbard is building on mystic traditions that far predated his religion &#8212; beliefs that the pineal gland was the seat of the soul or consciousness, the &#8220;third eye,&#8221; and so on.<br />
&#8212; OK, so there&#8217;s a genetic/protoplasm line, a parallel &#8220;Earth-theta&#8221; line, and a separate &#8220;theta-self&#8221; line that came from somewhere else. The protoplasm line perpetuates itself via reproduction. The Earth-theta line must somehow both tag along with the protoplasm line and guide it at the same time? And for some reason, the Earth-theta line does not include Earth-thetans, and the only thetan-I entities have to come from somewhere else (where?)? Wait, you have the genetic-entity too. Is that just the protoplasm-line? If so why is it called an entity? The whole thing is as complicated as trying to explain the three persons-in-one aspect of a trinitarian God, and as hard to understand as Costanza trying to figure out Cornish game hens reproductive habits: </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MCtC_U4e2o" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MCtC_U4e2o</a></p>
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		By: Espiando		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135841&quot;&gt;Schorsch&lt;/a&gt;.

Dark matter is a postulate that fits as the best current answer to observed anomalies.  It can be proven right or wrong, and there are experiments going on to do so.  If it&#039;s proven wrong, then the experimental data will be reanalyzed, and a new postulate created.  It&#039;s called the Scientific Method.  The aether was thought to be fact, and was the best theory at the time to explain observed anomalies.  Then Michelson and Morley proved it wrong (and I did the same experiment in the same laboratory as they did and achieved the same results).  Physics adjusted, and the adjustments formed the basis of relativity and quantum mechanics.

You want to start coming out with other theories in physics that make no sense to you?  I&#039;ll shoot them down too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135841">Schorsch</a>.</p>
<p>Dark matter is a postulate that fits as the best current answer to observed anomalies.  It can be proven right or wrong, and there are experiments going on to do so.  If it&#8217;s proven wrong, then the experimental data will be reanalyzed, and a new postulate created.  It&#8217;s called the Scientific Method.  The aether was thought to be fact, and was the best theory at the time to explain observed anomalies.  Then Michelson and Morley proved it wrong (and I did the same experiment in the same laboratory as they did and achieved the same results).  Physics adjusted, and the adjustments formed the basis of relativity and quantum mechanics.</p>
<p>You want to start coming out with other theories in physics that make no sense to you?  I&#8217;ll shoot them down too.</p>
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		By: Espiando		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135872&quot;&gt;attila sonkoly&lt;/a&gt;.

Milestone One Lectures, according to the blurb at the end.  If you want to look it up and tell us what they cut out, that should be good for some serious lulz.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135872">attila sonkoly</a>.</p>
<p>Milestone One Lectures, according to the blurb at the end.  If you want to look it up and tell us what they cut out, that should be good for some serious lulz.</p>
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		By: Cre8tivewmn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/some-goofy-shit/#comment-135845&quot;&gt;Eileen&lt;/a&gt;.

Creepy  sci-fi porn]]></description>
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<p>Creepy  sci-fi porn</p>
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