Mike: (Wynski)
You got it right, buddy.
Forgive me, I thought you were an ass with some of your comments.
But you cannot be easy on these people ( the Church)
Here I was, my death was predicted by the Captain Freewinds and 6 doctors.
And I was still trying not to make waves!
Why should a dead man care if he is declared or not. He ain’t ever getting any more service anyway. And you got to treat those cockaroaches tough cause they don’t give a fuck about right or wrong, policy or anything else.
Like a mad dog they attack anyone they think could be against them.
I did not want to be against anyone, but the alternative for me was literally to lay down and die.

Wynski,
“Sure and it does me heart glad” to read how, once you made the decision to leave, you were prepared to go all Dirty Harry on them if necessary. “Its all in the decision.” Indeed it is. Well done me lad!

And by the way, RK, I know about the proposed federal legislation to eviscerate the public safety nets. For whatever its worth I STRONGLY disagree, LOATHE this wretched administration and fervently hope it doesn’t pass.

Ok, Mike, I’m done. I promise 🙂

Glenn – and I beg Mike’s indulgence as we are so far and away and intensely off topic – Glenn, I couldn’t agree with you more with regard to those totally undeserving of government help and handouts who game the system. They are ripping all of us off. It is a disgrace. So unfair. I’m always glad to hear of such people being nailed and punished. I personally could share 3 stories of such ripoffs that I observed, people I knew undeservedly getting SSI/ disability/ Food Stamps/Welfare /welfare services like home health care visits – 3 separate people I personally knew, going crooked like this – pure greed and selfishness. I was ashamed of them and told them so. All right, I’d better stop now as I have stretched Mike’s patience thin enough with my off-topic stuff 🙂

RK, I hear you. I live in a big city in a Northeaster blue state. In my state, housing, i.e, being housed, is not a privilege, but a RIGHT. Every citizen of this state MUST be housed. If they don’t have a home, the state must provide one, even if its only a bed in a shelter. Now, there ARE indeed PLENTY of homeless including ELDERLY homeless, on the streets. But being out there and living and sleeping outside is their CHOICE. Yes, even though they are mentally ill or impaired by alcoholism (both obvious to the casual eye when you observe their rosacea, big veined noses, mumbling to themselves, etc.) – even those with mental challenges such as these cannot be FORCED to live in shelters. Under the law, they can CHOOSE to not do so which means they live on the streets. There ARE beds for them – by law, at least in THIS state – there MUST be shelter for them. Some of them reject it, and not all of them are mentally ill or alcoholics either. They just get used to and prefer “sleeping rough”. They beg on the streets and in public transport. They get by that way. If and/or when they choose to go to a shelter there is always a bed for them – by law in this state! And hospitals MUST treat them, at no charge. Our taxes – very high – pay for this. And this is KNOWN so many homeless COME to this state. Not a good scene, certainly but what’s the alternative? Step over them on your way to work or a movie while they lie there dying in the street? That sounds melodramatic but I saw just that in the Banana Republic I lived in for 2 years.

“scientology IS a US “citizen” masquerading as a religion, so can hide pretty effectively behind the Bill of Rights.”

No jere, again you misunderstand the Constitution. The CoS is NOT a US citizen. It IS a religion under definition and law. It just doesn’t qualify as a NOT FOR PROFIT RELIGION under law/regulation. It is only “hiding” behind the IRS rules not the Bill of Rights. Which you still are not familiar with.

Tilting at windmills will just where you out. Stay on target and don’t splatter you efforts all over the map.

Aquamarine,

That couple I referred to had parents in Calif who had millions of dollars. Very wealthy cultists. That the parents had the children go to public assistance for all the costs of natal care was despicable indeed.

I have a friend who works in a government agency that investigates and prosecutes welfare fraud. She told me the agency routinely discovers annd prevents 60-70 millions in fruad every year. And that was in just one county in the SF Bay Area.

I wonder how much better Calif would be if their benevolent hand outs were truly and honestly given. I also wonder/suspect that efforts to consume those benefits by the unworthy are occuring just because they exist. I’ve read accounts claiming that homeless people move to San Francisco solely because they are able to suck on the public teat more easily there.

Wynski added:”the Bill of Rights doesn’t protect non-citizens who violate us law in the manner you are thinking.”

I wasn’t thinking about aliens violating clear US law, I was thinking about scientology being hauled in on its violations of law and human rights. scientology IS a US “citizen” masquerading as a religion, so can hide pretty effectively behind the Bill of Rights. To the extent that they can protect miscreants far too well. There are two DMs who currently have a heap of hurt due to them who are protected under scientology’s umbrella of near invulnerability.

Glenn clarified:
“But please understand are talking about immigration law and the Immigration and Nationality Act ”

I’m sorry that I didn’t pick up on that. I was talking about the government doing something about scientologies excesses, lies and abuses. Reluctantly, I have to hand it to the Dwarfenführer’s minions for seemingly making scientology’s “religious” armor pretty thorough. Unluckily, I don’t see his minions ever being brought to justice for their crimes.

it’s smearing deflection.

The problem, really, is Hubbard’s Scientology fraudulent charade “religion” dishes out quackery, open and secret quackery, which at best attains placebo gains temporarily for some of of the quackery dupes.

Xenu did not shower earth with body-thetans for which no one ought to pay a dime to exorcise Xenu’s body-thetans off of their Scientologist body, and certainly no one ought to spend a moment suffering through the Hubbard stepladder until they get completely brainwashed into agreeing never to publicly even say the word Xenu and body-thetans.

Scientology’s core secret 5 exorcism levels they can’t even publicly admit they even do. They are not allowed to even define Xenu nor body-thetans.

It’s all a massive dodge off of the fact that Hubbard’s quackery is quackery, start to finish.

I someday hope the word Xenu becomes better known that the name L. Ron Hubbard.

Let Hubbard be associated with Xenu’s body-thetans exorcism and the nasty deflection character assassination policy recurring entrenched behavior as the movement dodges off of the public knowledge that they do secret exorcism of Xenu’s body-thetans and they think that is what will solve the world’s problems.

They think all who oppose their quackery stepladder and exorcism are to be attacked with their over the top character assassination.

Miscavige’s history of staff violence, and Hubbard’s Xenu’s body-thetans exorcism, are the two toxic rejoinders that ought be constantly made, when SCientology character assassinates their critics.