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		By: April		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171629</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[April]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171327&quot;&gt;Nickname&lt;/a&gt;.

Only until the CO$ is in charge of wog laws.

&quot;Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’  By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.&quot;
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 4 January 1966, &quot;LRH Relationship to Orgs&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171327">Nickname</a>.</p>
<p>Only until the CO$ is in charge of wog laws.</p>
<p>&#8220;Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’  By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 4 January 1966, &#8220;LRH Relationship to Orgs&#8221;</p>
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		By: April		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171624</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[April]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171302&quot;&gt;Quicky&lt;/a&gt;.

Awesome. Now I won&#039;t be left out of all the impending J&#038;D.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171302">Quicky</a>.</p>
<p>Awesome. Now I won&#8217;t be left out of all the impending J&amp;D.</p>
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		By: April		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[April]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171402&quot;&gt;MM&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m a huge SP due to education and previous work in the mental health field, never been involved in scientology. But you know what, if their claims of super human abilities were real I&#039;d be throwing my money at them. If they had something worthwhile to sell, people would be beating down their doors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171402">MM</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a huge SP due to education and previous work in the mental health field, never been involved in scientology. But you know what, if their claims of super human abilities were real I&#8217;d be throwing my money at them. If they had something worthwhile to sell, people would be beating down their doors.</p>
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		By: Kronomex		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 00:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OW! OW! OW! My eyes hurt after reading that twisted OT&#039;s quote from Lunatic Raving Headbanger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OW! OW! OW! My eyes hurt after reading that twisted OT&#8217;s quote from Lunatic Raving Headbanger.</p>
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		By: Nickname		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171456</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nickname]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2017 01:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171412&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Cindy. It is nice to know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171412">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Cindy. It is nice to know.</p>
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		By: MM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171326&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Davey&#039;s got his own too: MEST Is Us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171326">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>Davey&#8217;s got his own too: MEST Is Us.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 19:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171397&quot;&gt;Nickname&lt;/a&gt;.

Nickname, I think that among the real complexities that have to be taken into account, are that in the 1970s and 1980s Scientology was having to deal with changing external social and demographic dynamics - as well as internal changes resulting from Hubbard&#039;s decisions around creating the Sea Org as a totalitarian force to run Scientology behind the scenes.

As occurs with many businesses that happen to be at the right place at the right time, their problems go from trying to handle more business than they&#039;re actually capable of, at which point they can afford to lose a lot of new customers, to trying to hold on to a shrinking customer base.  I think the evidence is that this happened to Scientology as the baby boom started to turn in to a bust in the mid to late 1970s, with the prime demographic of youth in their late teens and early twenties starting to decline precipitously.  This also, for example, significantly affected colleges and universities as their candidate pools declined, and quite a few of the smaller and weaker colleges even began to have to close virtually as soon as the peak was hit.  Plus, the early Gen-Xers were looking for different things than &quot;tuning in and dropping out,&quot; and Scientology was starting to be increasingly dated in many respects, more Plan 9 From Outer Space than Star Wars.

And as I&#039;ve written elsewhere more at length, I think that Miscavige came along at a point when Scientology was transitioning to the more centralized and autocratic control that Hubbard had developed on board the ships, which would likely have proceeded largely as it did even if Hubbard had lived to be 100.  The fact that Hubbard was deliberately trying to create &quot;plausible deniability&quot; for his control of Scientology through the Sea Org, also served to obscure the real source of change - and to preserve his image as “mankind&#039;s best friend,&quot; rather than revealing him to be a totalitarian tyrant and the actual source of much of what was going wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171397">Nickname</a>.</p>
<p>Nickname, I think that among the real complexities that have to be taken into account, are that in the 1970s and 1980s Scientology was having to deal with changing external social and demographic dynamics &#8211; as well as internal changes resulting from Hubbard&#8217;s decisions around creating the Sea Org as a totalitarian force to run Scientology behind the scenes.</p>
<p>As occurs with many businesses that happen to be at the right place at the right time, their problems go from trying to handle more business than they&#8217;re actually capable of, at which point they can afford to lose a lot of new customers, to trying to hold on to a shrinking customer base.  I think the evidence is that this happened to Scientology as the baby boom started to turn in to a bust in the mid to late 1970s, with the prime demographic of youth in their late teens and early twenties starting to decline precipitously.  This also, for example, significantly affected colleges and universities as their candidate pools declined, and quite a few of the smaller and weaker colleges even began to have to close virtually as soon as the peak was hit.  Plus, the early Gen-Xers were looking for different things than &#8220;tuning in and dropping out,&#8221; and Scientology was starting to be increasingly dated in many respects, more Plan 9 From Outer Space than Star Wars.</p>
<p>And as I&#8217;ve written elsewhere more at length, I think that Miscavige came along at a point when Scientology was transitioning to the more centralized and autocratic control that Hubbard had developed on board the ships, which would likely have proceeded largely as it did even if Hubbard had lived to be 100.  The fact that Hubbard was deliberately trying to create &#8220;plausible deniability&#8221; for his control of Scientology through the Sea Org, also served to obscure the real source of change &#8211; and to preserve his image as “mankind&#8217;s best friend,&#8221; rather than revealing him to be a totalitarian tyrant and the actual source of much of what was going wrong.</p>
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		By: Gioiosa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171418&quot;&gt;Gioiosa&lt;/a&gt;.

Scientologists are at such a stage in the insidious brainwashing, they are apparently used to this language in a formal letter addressed to them. Sad. It is done in a very disturbing way to keep members &quot;in compliance&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171418">Gioiosa</a>.</p>
<p>Scientologists are at such a stage in the insidious brainwashing, they are apparently used to this language in a formal letter addressed to them. Sad. It is done in a very disturbing way to keep members &#8220;in compliance&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Gioiosa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171385&quot;&gt;secretfornow&lt;/a&gt;.

This is all a major word salad mind fuck!! Sheesh!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171385">secretfornow</a>.</p>
<p>This is all a major word salad mind fuck!! Sheesh!</p>
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		By: MM		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171417</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171314&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;d look the same way if your head were up your ass.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/still-more-ideal-org-bs/#comment-171314">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d look the same way if your head were up your ass.</p>
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