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		By: The True Measure of Scientology &#8220;Expansion&#8221;		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The True Measure of Scientology &#8220;Expansion&#8221;]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] 6 January 2014 I published a blog post entitled Straight Up and  Vertical &#8211; Not which included information about the target of &#8220;10,000 onto or through Solo [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 6 January 2014 I published a blog post entitled Straight Up and  Vertical &#8211; Not which included information about the target of &#8220;10,000 onto or through Solo [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Formost		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31549</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31237&quot;&gt;TerrilPark&lt;/a&gt;.

Training &#038; C/Sing, YES, auditing ... NO, since star-rate checkouts over Skype do not require a meter, all the possible auditor actions required, or potential net connection liabilities to keep the PC &quot;In-Session&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31237">TerrilPark</a>.</p>
<p>Training &amp; C/Sing, YES, auditing &#8230; NO, since star-rate checkouts over Skype do not require a meter, all the possible auditor actions required, or potential net connection liabilities to keep the PC &#8220;In-Session&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Formost		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31548</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Formost]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31237&quot;&gt;TerrilPark&lt;/a&gt;.

Glenn is also in possession of the APIS/TFCU OT VI course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31237">TerrilPark</a>.</p>
<p>Glenn is also in possession of the APIS/TFCU OT VI course.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31503</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31222&quot;&gt;Espiritu&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly right Espiritu.  There&#039;s a big difference between accepting data and COGNITING that something is true from your own point of view.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31222">Espiritu</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly right Espiritu.  There&#8217;s a big difference between accepting data and COGNITING that something is true from your own point of view.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31501</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31150&quot;&gt;Strubbl&lt;/a&gt;.

So cool!  Well done!]]></description>
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<p>So cool!  Well done!</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31369</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31319&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Foolproof,

Personally I just found the HCOB highly suspect since at times &quot;good hats&quot; or being good can be a facade and Ron had been aware of this possibility ever since Science of Survival.

But then again he called the coup who took over a &quot;clean team&quot; and said we should trust the new management in RJ 38.

Yeah right.

So you could be right Foolproof.

As we know and the Ol&#039;man has admitted at times. He tended to be over optimistic.

My point is that if Ron did actually write that HCOB then it should be revised to what you said.

Like unless the the &quot;good hat&quot; turns out to be an &quot;SP Loon&quot; etc. ;)

On the other hand. It is very doubtful that the Ol&#039;man was directly involved in the writing of the actual TRD HCOB.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31319">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Foolproof,</p>
<p>Personally I just found the HCOB highly suspect since at times &#8220;good hats&#8221; or being good can be a facade and Ron had been aware of this possibility ever since Science of Survival.</p>
<p>But then again he called the coup who took over a &#8220;clean team&#8221; and said we should trust the new management in RJ 38.</p>
<p>Yeah right.</p>
<p>So you could be right Foolproof.</p>
<p>As we know and the Ol&#8217;man has admitted at times. He tended to be over optimistic.</p>
<p>My point is that if Ron did actually write that HCOB then it should be revised to what you said.</p>
<p>Like unless the the &#8220;good hat&#8221; turns out to be an &#8220;SP Loon&#8221; etc. 😉</p>
<p>On the other hand. It is very doubtful that the Ol&#8217;man was directly involved in the writing of the actual TRD HCOB.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31319</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 04:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31304&quot;&gt;remoteviewed&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Remoteviewed, I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with the HCOB (and policies as I recall) that naming good hats as SPs is wrong - if the good guys are indeed the good guys. What we are talking about is LRH&#039;s assumption that these - the good hats - are indeed good guys. I don&#039;t think even he would have predicted that the future leader of the Church would be a raving SP loon (perhaps he should have tied it up totally so that it could never have occurred but that is another matter). I&#039;ve never seen the Truth Rundown &quot;HCOB&quot; so can&#039;t really comment on it. Again the ideas in these issues hold true, IF - the good guys are the good guys.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31304">remoteviewed</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Remoteviewed, I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with the HCOB (and policies as I recall) that naming good hats as SPs is wrong &#8211; if the good guys are indeed the good guys. What we are talking about is LRH&#8217;s assumption that these &#8211; the good hats &#8211; are indeed good guys. I don&#8217;t think even he would have predicted that the future leader of the Church would be a raving SP loon (perhaps he should have tied it up totally so that it could never have occurred but that is another matter). I&#8217;ve never seen the Truth Rundown &#8220;HCOB&#8221; so can&#8217;t really comment on it. Again the ideas in these issues hold true, IF &#8211; the good guys are the good guys.</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31304</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 00:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31202&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Foolproof,

The reason for this are a couple of issues of in my opinion questionable provenance. One of them is entitled &quot;Two Types of PTS&quot;. One that says if you list &quot;good hats&quot; in a C/S series 79 or any kind of PTS Interview you must be an SP.

Another one is the Truth Rundown HCOB which basically says that you must assume that Church execs are doing the right thing and are good people etc. and that any criticism of their actions  basically or something to that effect is &quot;Black PR&quot;.

As I said I question the authenticity of these issues because they actually conflict with earlier issues like Essay on Management, Orders Query of, Orders Illegal and Cross, which are a few I can think of just off the top of my head and could probably find more if I had access to CIR or spent a long time with the policy index.

Sad to say that ever since RTC highjacked the right to use the Ol&#039;man&#039;s signature that they can and they have issued issues that say HCOB at the top and have LRH&#039;s byline on the bottom. 

The only way you can actually be sure if it was actually ordered by or written by Ron is ask to see the original issue which was usually hand written that was sent to the typist or the order sent requesting the issue be compiled per HCOPL 4 Jan 65 Issue II Tech and Policy Distribution points A-D.

I suggested when I was still in that the CST compile and make the original issues available so that they could verified by the average Scientologist which was probably one of the many reasons they put me on the Truth Rundown.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31202">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Foolproof,</p>
<p>The reason for this are a couple of issues of in my opinion questionable provenance. One of them is entitled &#8220;Two Types of PTS&#8221;. One that says if you list &#8220;good hats&#8221; in a C/S series 79 or any kind of PTS Interview you must be an SP.</p>
<p>Another one is the Truth Rundown HCOB which basically says that you must assume that Church execs are doing the right thing and are good people etc. and that any criticism of their actions  basically or something to that effect is &#8220;Black PR&#8221;.</p>
<p>As I said I question the authenticity of these issues because they actually conflict with earlier issues like Essay on Management, Orders Query of, Orders Illegal and Cross, which are a few I can think of just off the top of my head and could probably find more if I had access to CIR or spent a long time with the policy index.</p>
<p>Sad to say that ever since RTC highjacked the right to use the Ol&#8217;man&#8217;s signature that they can and they have issued issues that say HCOB at the top and have LRH&#8217;s byline on the bottom. </p>
<p>The only way you can actually be sure if it was actually ordered by or written by Ron is ask to see the original issue which was usually hand written that was sent to the typist or the order sent requesting the issue be compiled per HCOPL 4 Jan 65 Issue II Tech and Policy Distribution points A-D.</p>
<p>I suggested when I was still in that the CST compile and make the original issues available so that they could verified by the average Scientologist which was probably one of the many reasons they put me on the Truth Rundown.</p>
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		By: Carcha		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31289</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carcha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2014 23:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31188&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

Adding to what you said, Oracle, and to this segment of the thread:

A) The LRH Bridge of the late 1970&#039;s 
B) The &quot;New Bridge&quot; designed by IANAA (I Am Not An Auditor).

My understanding in a nutshell is this:
Power gives the ability to hold a viewpoint to solo audit.
R6EW is very well described.
The Clearing Course addresses the core of the OT III implant and ensures that OT III can be run easily.
Solo NOTs was added to clean up remaining OT III case and residuals.
OT IV-VII rehabilitates the being.
All the above presumes Life Repair, and Dianetics, and the Grades, all well done, drug handled as needed, Expanded Dianetics as needed.

Rey Robles put together a short series of video&#039;s on YouTube which compares various Grade Charts as these evolved into the last one LRH issued in the late 1970&#039;s before he retired or went into seclusion. He shows the actual Grade Charts as published.

My speculation is that people who find themselves auditing forever on Solo NOTs didn&#039;t do the Clearing Course. My experience is that all of this delivers exactly as promised, but I can also tell you that I have worked hard at it. I believe that is what is required. &quot;Help&quot; does not mean &quot;I will do it for you.&quot; We live in a consumer age, and hire people as &quot;help&#039; to do whole jobs for us. &quot;Plumbing help&quot; is expected to do the whole job and fix everything. The hiring person is not expected to do anything. That&#039;s fine. But when it comes to personal improvement, one has to do much of the work oneself, and no one can set your own goals or hold your viewpoint for you. 

When LRH said &quot;build a better life&quot; I think he envisioned things none of the rest of us have ever thought about - and now we have to think about them. I&#039;m finding that there&#039;s a lot of responsibility involved, and I&#039;m sure I&#039;m just scratching the surface.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31188">The Oracle</a>.</p>
<p>Adding to what you said, Oracle, and to this segment of the thread:</p>
<p>A) The LRH Bridge of the late 1970&#8217;s<br />
B) The &#8220;New Bridge&#8221; designed by IANAA (I Am Not An Auditor).</p>
<p>My understanding in a nutshell is this:<br />
Power gives the ability to hold a viewpoint to solo audit.<br />
R6EW is very well described.<br />
The Clearing Course addresses the core of the OT III implant and ensures that OT III can be run easily.<br />
Solo NOTs was added to clean up remaining OT III case and residuals.<br />
OT IV-VII rehabilitates the being.<br />
All the above presumes Life Repair, and Dianetics, and the Grades, all well done, drug handled as needed, Expanded Dianetics as needed.</p>
<p>Rey Robles put together a short series of video&#8217;s on YouTube which compares various Grade Charts as these evolved into the last one LRH issued in the late 1970&#8217;s before he retired or went into seclusion. He shows the actual Grade Charts as published.</p>
<p>My speculation is that people who find themselves auditing forever on Solo NOTs didn&#8217;t do the Clearing Course. My experience is that all of this delivers exactly as promised, but I can also tell you that I have worked hard at it. I believe that is what is required. &#8220;Help&#8221; does not mean &#8220;I will do it for you.&#8221; We live in a consumer age, and hire people as &#8220;help&#8217; to do whole jobs for us. &#8220;Plumbing help&#8221; is expected to do the whole job and fix everything. The hiring person is not expected to do anything. That&#8217;s fine. But when it comes to personal improvement, one has to do much of the work oneself, and no one can set your own goals or hold your viewpoint for you. </p>
<p>When LRH said &#8220;build a better life&#8221; I think he envisioned things none of the rest of us have ever thought about &#8211; and now we have to think about them. I&#8217;m finding that there&#8217;s a lot of responsibility involved, and I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m just scratching the surface.</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2014 21:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31181&quot;&gt;Thoughtful&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It’s like pulling the same $5 bill out of your pocket and recounting it 1,000 times and claiming to have $5,000.&quot;

Thoughtful Steve that so succinctly describes how the Orgs count stats these days.

Someone doing a retread or retrain or redoing any level as again and again and again is counted as a &quot;completion&quot;.

Not only clears but these so called NOTs comps are suspect.

Correct me if I&#039;m wrong Steve but I remember back in early &#039;90&#039;s they were claiming around 6000 on Solo Nots.

Now two decades later they are claiming the same thing only now they are calling it an &quot;upstat&quot;.

Sheeesh]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/straight-up-and-vertical-not/#comment-31181">Thoughtful</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s like pulling the same $5 bill out of your pocket and recounting it 1,000 times and claiming to have $5,000.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thoughtful Steve that so succinctly describes how the Orgs count stats these days.</p>
<p>Someone doing a retread or retrain or redoing any level as again and again and again is counted as a &#8220;completion&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not only clears but these so called NOTs comps are suspect.</p>
<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong Steve but I remember back in early &#8217;90&#8217;s they were claiming around 6000 on Solo Nots.</p>
<p>Now two decades later they are claiming the same thing only now they are calling it an &#8220;upstat&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sheeesh</p>
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