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		By: Lost Dog		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-133494</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lost Dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 06:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132722&quot;&gt;threefeetback&lt;/a&gt;.

well, i do admire your optimism.
Last I heard, there were 29 legal cases against Narconon going on In Vegas alone.
If legal judgments do in fact deplete reserves, THAT WOULD BE JUSTICE.
A lessor judgement would be compromise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132722">threefeetback</a>.</p>
<p>well, i do admire your optimism.<br />
Last I heard, there were 29 legal cases against Narconon going on In Vegas alone.<br />
If legal judgments do in fact deplete reserves, THAT WOULD BE JUSTICE.<br />
A lessor judgement would be compromise.</p>
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		By: Lost Dog		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-133493</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lost Dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 06:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132750&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132750">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>Yep.</p>
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		By: bug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2016 06:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132727&quot;&gt;Valerie&lt;/a&gt;.

agreed.
Scientology is its own problem.
And, I think it is a mistake to perceive DM as the primary perpetrator of the church&#039;s demise, 
bungling tyrant that he is, when all he really does is play by the LRH handbook.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132727">Valerie</a>.</p>
<p>agreed.<br />
Scientology is its own problem.<br />
And, I think it is a mistake to perceive DM as the primary perpetrator of the church&#8217;s demise,<br />
bungling tyrant that he is, when all he really does is play by the LRH handbook.</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-133329</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann B Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2016 12:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132880&quot;&gt;Gus Cox&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Gus Cox, Your post got lost.Just found it.Oh lord Berendo is now faux  paved brick! I can&#039;t stand it and a no parking zone.Boy are the sheeple SO and the whole gang skittish!Also just thinking way back when,Asho,AO and any other Org in the area,we would have been tasked with paying for real brick pavers and probably old timey brick artisans to lay them.
   Self realization fellowship,forgot about them.To think I used to hang out on Berendo and cry my eyes out during certain sits with Ethics etc.Especially when I was not allowed to be with my SO Team.Hardly any cars passed back then and a few homeless floated by but really just Kaiser and Big Blue Building Baiting me.When you are hungry thirsty and really bruised etc BBlue was not the friendliest place in LA to have to stand in front of and do TRs on between sobs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132880">Gus Cox</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Gus Cox, Your post got lost.Just found it.Oh lord Berendo is now faux  paved brick! I can&#8217;t stand it and a no parking zone.Boy are the sheeple SO and the whole gang skittish!Also just thinking way back when,Asho,AO and any other Org in the area,we would have been tasked with paying for real brick pavers and probably old timey brick artisans to lay them.<br />
   Self realization fellowship,forgot about them.To think I used to hang out on Berendo and cry my eyes out during certain sits with Ethics etc.Especially when I was not allowed to be with my SO Team.Hardly any cars passed back then and a few homeless floated by but really just Kaiser and Big Blue Building Baiting me.When you are hungry thirsty and really bruised etc BBlue was not the friendliest place in LA to have to stand in front of and do TRs on between sobs.</p>
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		By: Rescue Dog		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-133125</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 20:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132853&quot;&gt;Mike Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Use ugly stats to describe a beautiful place, and, sure enough,
that&#039;s all you see.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132853">Mike Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Use ugly stats to describe a beautiful place, and, sure enough,<br />
that&#8217;s all you see.</p>
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		By: Rescue Dog		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-133123</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132760&quot;&gt;Kronomex&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t worry, it will never happen.
Even he seems to know that if he personally stood up to address the public,
his invisible credibility would instantly take on that of a cartoon character.
Any book with his name pinned to it as the author would be publicly slashed.
There is not defense, none, for the remorseless crimes of David Miscavige, nor his falsely named church.

Yet, I invite him to write. That goes for all the hard-core scientologists, too, which you&#039;ll notice also have nothing to say around here, where the truth is king instead. Please, please write.
 
My response would be personally exhilarating. But, you guys on the fence, you write, too. I know you have your wins, but after 30-whaatever years of abuse and not getting paid for it, wondering if you really wanted to disconnect from mom and dad, or whatever good reason, if you have a doubt or complaint about your church AT LAST you have an avenue through which to express your doubts. I know the courage it would take. Here, you would not been thrown down the well and into &quot;Ethics&quot;, certainly not for criticizing anything David Miscavige has said or done. Here, you would be applauded. [I DO need to spell that name out fully nowadays]
Rightly so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132760">Kronomex</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, it will never happen.<br />
Even he seems to know that if he personally stood up to address the public,<br />
his invisible credibility would instantly take on that of a cartoon character.<br />
Any book with his name pinned to it as the author would be publicly slashed.<br />
There is not defense, none, for the remorseless crimes of David Miscavige, nor his falsely named church.</p>
<p>Yet, I invite him to write. That goes for all the hard-core scientologists, too, which you&#8217;ll notice also have nothing to say around here, where the truth is king instead. Please, please write.</p>
<p>My response would be personally exhilarating. But, you guys on the fence, you write, too. I know you have your wins, but after 30-whaatever years of abuse and not getting paid for it, wondering if you really wanted to disconnect from mom and dad, or whatever good reason, if you have a doubt or complaint about your church AT LAST you have an avenue through which to express your doubts. I know the courage it would take. Here, you would not been thrown down the well and into &#8220;Ethics&#8221;, certainly not for criticizing anything David Miscavige has said or done. Here, you would be applauded. [I DO need to spell that name out fully nowadays]<br />
Rightly so.</p>
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		By: Jethro Bodine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-133103</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 17:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like how they put in &quot;This is no joke or over-exaggeration&quot;, which usually means it is both a joke AND an over-exaggeration. I can&#039;t believe they&#039;re still trying to sucker in people with that universe corp scam. Name me one person who has made it to OT 8 as a result of the Universe Corp? And to think the LRH ED about the birthday game and the universe corps came out almost 35 years ago. They must have &quot;other fish to fry&quot;, LOL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how they put in &#8220;This is no joke or over-exaggeration&#8221;, which usually means it is both a joke AND an over-exaggeration. I can&#8217;t believe they&#8217;re still trying to sucker in people with that universe corp scam. Name me one person who has made it to OT 8 as a result of the Universe Corp? And to think the LRH ED about the birthday game and the universe corps came out almost 35 years ago. They must have &#8220;other fish to fry&#8221;, LOL.</p>
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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 14:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-133022&quot;&gt;unelectedfloofgoofer&lt;/a&gt;.

unelectedfloofgoofer, as far back as the 70&#039;s the VAST majority of orgs never made enough money to pay their staff even to the level of minimum wage. And NO org ever made enough money consistently to pay staff even minimum wage.  They paid book royalties though as Hubbard had to amass wealth at the staff members expense.  The only real money for the S.O. Reserves came from AO&#039;s &#038; the FSO and S.O. staff don&#039;t receive &quot;pay&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-133022">unelectedfloofgoofer</a>.</p>
<p>unelectedfloofgoofer, as far back as the 70&#8217;s the VAST majority of orgs never made enough money to pay their staff even to the level of minimum wage. And NO org ever made enough money consistently to pay staff even minimum wage.  They paid book royalties though as Hubbard had to amass wealth at the staff members expense.  The only real money for the S.O. Reserves came from AO&#8217;s &amp; the FSO and S.O. staff don&#8217;t receive &#8220;pay&#8221;.</p>
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		By: unelectedfloofgoofer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 06:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to wonder if they really pay staff 45%, or if some of the money instead goes to Miscavige.  My guess is they probably don&#039;t cheat at this level, as it would be too easy to spot. Still there are stories of Hubbard visiting orgs and finding they owed him a lot of money, and he also asked them to send him any money they had laying around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder if they really pay staff 45%, or if some of the money instead goes to Miscavige.  My guess is they probably don&#8217;t cheat at this level, as it would be too easy to spot. Still there are stories of Hubbard visiting orgs and finding they owed him a lot of money, and he also asked them to send him any money they had laying around.</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gus Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2016 02:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132738&quot;&gt;Ann B Watson&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi, Ann - Oh, yes, unfortunately they did change the name of that block.  Worse, they paved it in faux brick and it&#039;s all a no parking zone!  I can only wonder if money changed hands to get all that approved by the City!  

I&#039;d love to see Kaiser buy the Complex and change the name back.  

Or even better, if the nearby Self-Realization Fellowship bought it!  LOL that&#039;d be sweet, seeing as how they are on the Fatman&#039;s list of &quot;suppressive groups.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/sump-stories/#comment-132738">Ann B Watson</a>.</p>
<p>Hi, Ann &#8211; Oh, yes, unfortunately they did change the name of that block.  Worse, they paved it in faux brick and it&#8217;s all a no parking zone!  I can only wonder if money changed hands to get all that approved by the City!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see Kaiser buy the Complex and change the name back.  </p>
<p>Or even better, if the nearby Self-Realization Fellowship bought it!  LOL that&#8217;d be sweet, seeing as how they are on the Fatman&#8217;s list of &#8220;suppressive groups.&#8221;</p>
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