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		By: 1984		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1984]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43519&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

Bruce , pm me at 1984.dejavue@hushmail.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43519">Bruce Ploetz</a>.</p>
<p>Bruce , pm me at <a href="mailto:1984.dejavue@hushmail.com">1984.dejavue@hushmail.com</a></p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43756</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 04:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43647&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, MJ.  Pink Floyd nailed it, all right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43647">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, MJ.  Pink Floyd nailed it, all right.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 04:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43494&quot;&gt;The Oracle&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow, Oracle, I wish I had thought of that.  Structure now monitors function in the Dwarf&#039;s Cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43494">The Oracle</a>.</p>
<p>Wow, Oracle, I wish I had thought of that.  Structure now monitors function in the Dwarf&#8217;s Cult.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 04:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43474&quot;&gt;Roy Macgregor&lt;/a&gt;.

Witty, funny and devastatingly true as usual, Roy.]]></description>
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<p>Witty, funny and devastatingly true as usual, Roy.</p>
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		By: 1984		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1984]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 02:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43577&quot;&gt;Espiritu&lt;/a&gt;.

Espiritu, I saw that promo &quot;data sheet&quot; on the Mark 8, and I thought that  it was quite funny. It looked like someone took a bunch of numbers off a schematic / parts list and pushed those numbers without any idea of what those numbers referred to. Someone else took that report and made up the data-sheet. Result is a random bunch of real numbers that is non sequitur and Moron approved. On the surface, it looks good, but is totally irrelevant to the usage of a meter.
For instance, measuring 1 / 1000 of a TA division. Are they trying to measure a tick with the Tone Arm?
The &quot;algorithm&quot; might make some sense, but only if they actually know what they are doing. Otherwise, it is a cute word to use.
BTW, definition of &quot;instant&quot; is subjective. A micro-second is 1 / 1,000,000 of a second. If something takes 100 microseconds (100 millionths of a second) to do, that is 10 mli-seconds (1 / 10 of a thousandth of a second).  To my eye, that is pretty instant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43577">Espiritu</a>.</p>
<p>Espiritu, I saw that promo &#8220;data sheet&#8221; on the Mark 8, and I thought that  it was quite funny. It looked like someone took a bunch of numbers off a schematic / parts list and pushed those numbers without any idea of what those numbers referred to. Someone else took that report and made up the data-sheet. Result is a random bunch of real numbers that is non sequitur and Moron approved. On the surface, it looks good, but is totally irrelevant to the usage of a meter.<br />
For instance, measuring 1 / 1000 of a TA division. Are they trying to measure a tick with the Tone Arm?<br />
The &#8220;algorithm&#8221; might make some sense, but only if they actually know what they are doing. Otherwise, it is a cute word to use.<br />
BTW, definition of &#8220;instant&#8221; is subjective. A micro-second is 1 / 1,000,000 of a second. If something takes 100 microseconds (100 millionths of a second) to do, that is 10 mli-seconds (1 / 10 of a thousandth of a second).  To my eye, that is pretty instant.</p>
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		By: Bruce Ploetz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 01:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43519&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

1984 - don&#039;t know why your comment doesn&#039;t have a reply button, but hope you can find this anyway - 

The germanium transistors they make today are quite different from the ones in the old meters. Nowadays everything is made in big wafers using diffusion. In the old days they used a variety of hand methods, leaving you with a very slow, low performance part that is perfect for the old wonky circuit. No need for bypass capacitors to clean things up and prevent high frequency problems - the transistors themselves are too slow to even &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; high frequency problems. 

Yes, the IV and V circuits are the same except for the battery and charger. They had to make almost every resistor in the front end adjustable to get around the fact that the battery is different and I think this ended up changing circuit parameters a little. Bottom line is current through the cans at a given TA - if this is different you can get too much body motion reading or heartbeat showing. So it may not be just the movement, but I do think the old Instrumentations movements were pretty good. 

Please please do not use the old battery charger with the big capacitor. It is literally dangerous to human life. The mains are directly connected to the cans if you get the power plugged in wrong, and there is no way with the old &quot;tv cheater cord&quot; power cord to tell which way is the wrong way. It is only a problem if you pick up the cans while the meter is charging and off, but I don&#039;t know why this didn&#039;t kill people back in the old days. Whenever you walk up to the PC Examiner station it was always on charge if the Examiner wasn&#039;t there yet, and who doesn&#039;t pick up the cans to &quot;warm them up&quot; as soon as you get to the examiner? The only saving grace is that you are probably not grounded so you won&#039;t feel anything - until you lean back and touch the radiator behind you... or the steel deck of a ship...

The original Azimuth meter was just a British V in a different case. Later there were American V azimuths and even a squirelly Pat Flanagan azimuth (Pat of the &quot;sharpening razor blades by putting them under pyramids&quot; fame). 

To hear you talk about making new old stock meters is like hearing a civil war re-enactment guy talking about how to load a cannon. I guess it is fun to do for a historical weekend excursion but you don&#039;t want to be anywhere near those things in real life! They&#039;re loud, they hurt and they kill people! I only hope I can live long enough to even partly make up for the damage I did in the Church and I hope you would concentrate more on recovery than on resurrecting the faded glory of e-meters past. Just my two cents.]]></description>
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<p>1984 &#8211; don&#8217;t know why your comment doesn&#8217;t have a reply button, but hope you can find this anyway &#8211; </p>
<p>The germanium transistors they make today are quite different from the ones in the old meters. Nowadays everything is made in big wafers using diffusion. In the old days they used a variety of hand methods, leaving you with a very slow, low performance part that is perfect for the old wonky circuit. No need for bypass capacitors to clean things up and prevent high frequency problems &#8211; the transistors themselves are too slow to even <i>have</i> high frequency problems. </p>
<p>Yes, the IV and V circuits are the same except for the battery and charger. They had to make almost every resistor in the front end adjustable to get around the fact that the battery is different and I think this ended up changing circuit parameters a little. Bottom line is current through the cans at a given TA &#8211; if this is different you can get too much body motion reading or heartbeat showing. So it may not be just the movement, but I do think the old Instrumentations movements were pretty good. </p>
<p>Please please do not use the old battery charger with the big capacitor. It is literally dangerous to human life. The mains are directly connected to the cans if you get the power plugged in wrong, and there is no way with the old &#8220;tv cheater cord&#8221; power cord to tell which way is the wrong way. It is only a problem if you pick up the cans while the meter is charging and off, but I don&#8217;t know why this didn&#8217;t kill people back in the old days. Whenever you walk up to the PC Examiner station it was always on charge if the Examiner wasn&#8217;t there yet, and who doesn&#8217;t pick up the cans to &#8220;warm them up&#8221; as soon as you get to the examiner? The only saving grace is that you are probably not grounded so you won&#8217;t feel anything &#8211; until you lean back and touch the radiator behind you&#8230; or the steel deck of a ship&#8230;</p>
<p>The original Azimuth meter was just a British V in a different case. Later there were American V azimuths and even a squirelly Pat Flanagan azimuth (Pat of the &#8220;sharpening razor blades by putting them under pyramids&#8221; fame). </p>
<p>To hear you talk about making new old stock meters is like hearing a civil war re-enactment guy talking about how to load a cannon. I guess it is fun to do for a historical weekend excursion but you don&#8217;t want to be anywhere near those things in real life! They&#8217;re loud, they hurt and they kill people! I only hope I can live long enough to even partly make up for the damage I did in the Church and I hope you would concentrate more on recovery than on resurrecting the faded glory of e-meters past. Just my two cents.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43551&quot;&gt;Ron&lt;/a&gt;.

Ron, I am so with you on everything you&#039;ve said, except one thing: &quot;Too late&quot;. Too late for the Church, maybe, but for Scientology the subject, no, its not too late.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43551">Ron</a>.</p>
<p>Ron, I am so with you on everything you&#8217;ve said, except one thing: &#8220;Too late&#8221;. Too late for the Church, maybe, but for Scientology the subject, no, its not too late.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43555&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

Who&#039;s Ron? :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43555">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s Ron? 🙂</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43706&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Correction: that&#039;s not from the Chart of Attitudes, its the Chart of Human Evaluation, the Tone Scale chart itself.]]></description>
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<p>Correction: that&#8217;s not from the Chart of Attitudes, its the Chart of Human Evaluation, the Tone Scale chart itself.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43508&quot;&gt;WhiteStar&lt;/a&gt;.

From my viewpoint as someone who is an Indie Scientologist, I&#039;m going to add that it is as well a tone level. Paraphrasing here,  but from the Chart of Attitudes, &quot;Doubt about one&#039;s own reality; doubt about others&#039; reality&quot; is what comes to mind. People in this band need to be told by an authority figure what is going on. They doubt their own observational and reasoning abilities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/test-drive-warehouse-8-today/#comment-43508">WhiteStar</a>.</p>
<p>From my viewpoint as someone who is an Indie Scientologist, I&#8217;m going to add that it is as well a tone level. Paraphrasing here,  but from the Chart of Attitudes, &#8220;Doubt about one&#8217;s own reality; doubt about others&#8217; reality&#8221; is what comes to mind. People in this band need to be told by an authority figure what is going on. They doubt their own observational and reasoning abilities.</p>
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