Thanks, Cindy. 🙂

John: “Um, you didn’t research the cites for that quote. It did NOT come from a scientist who was specially trained in electronics. Which is the #1 requirement.”

Um, I don’t think you did your research on the Tarchanoff Response.

“Tarchanoff presented the first published paper on the psycho-galvanometer and it was one of the earliest tools of psychological research. The Tarchanoff Response is a change in DC potential across neurons of the autonomic nervous system connected to the sensory-motor strip of the cortex. This change was found to be related to the level of cortical arousal. This instantaneous physiological response is different than the slower speed of a sweating response.” http://aeriallong.com/clearing-methods/

More directly to the point of how an E-meter works, how does your expert “theory” explain what creates a rock slam? Or a theta bop?

You also wrote: “You will have to actually obtain a higher education before you will be able to BEGIN to understand this area.”

Well, to paraphrase you, I’d say you will have to actually obtain some auditor training and experience before you will be able to BEGIN to understand this area. I doubt you’ve ever even seen a R/S or theta bop although they are not uncommon.

Touche, Marildi. Well done.

“Actually, John, it seems that even “educated scientists” have not come to a consensus on the subject.”

Um, you didn’t research the cites for that quote. It did NOT come from a scientist who was specially trained in electronics. Which is the #1 requirement.

You will have to actually obtain a higher education before you will be able to BEGIN to understand this area. Your flailing is too painful to watch. El Con REALLY got to you but good.

“What the emeter measures through electrical resistance is bodily reactions induced by the autonomic system.”

Actually, John, it seems that even “educated scientists” have not come to a consensus on the subject. The following is from the Wikepedia article on the E-meter:

‘The standard medical explanation for the movement of the needle is the operation of the sympathetic nervous system on the sweat glands. Because sweat contains dielectrics (salt, etc.), conductivity is increased when the sweat glands are activated. But some advocates argue that the meter responds more quickly than would be possible by the exudation and drying of sweat.They propose an additional mechanism termed the ‘Tarchanoff Response’ through which the cerebral cortex of the brain affects the current directly.” This phenomenon is not completely understood, and further research needs to be performed.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-meter#Functional_description

Kemist, thanks for your input. The next question to logically ask would be – What “induces” the autonomic system? Here’s an excerpt from a very recent article:

“The MIT team that wrote this paper first demonstrated that they could label and reactiv[ate] brain cells to trigger specific memories, WHICH THEY CALL ENGRAMS [my caps], in a 2012 study. They have also been able to implant false memories, and even switch the emotional associations of particular memories, both good and bad, they said.” http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2015/06/mit-scientists-make-mice-total-recall-happy-memories-beat-depression?et_cid=4629582&et_rid=45546637&type=cta

It seems that good ol’ engrams are now part of science. And I am confident that science will one day discover as well that, similar to an artificial “implanting” of false memories (as above), actual memories of the spiritual being can be activated in various ways – such as auditing commands or even single words spoken by the auditor.

“That explanation still has significant omitted data. It doesn’t account for why a person can at times be thinking (while talking, or not) yet the tone arm, which measures resistance, may not change at all”

No, the Wheatstone Bridge has a limited ability (sensitivity) to detect these changes. Different thoughts activate different parts of the brain and thus, have different electrical potentials. The FIRST thing you must do to understand this subject is to DROP everything El Con taught and THEN, go learn ACTUAL science. (El Con was NOT a trained and educated scientist.) Once you do that THEN you can restudy what he wrote and easily see where he lied his ass off.

You are trying to understand a scientific subject where you have been fed false info and it won’t reconcile.

John Locke : not quite. Measuring the actual currents from the brain cannot be done using a sensor that is actually an ohm meter – that is essentially what an e-meter is, an ohm meter conditioned with a wheatstone bridge that increases its sensitivity. However, the currents emitted by neurons in brain and muscle are much too weak to measure with it. Their tiny voltage is insignificant compared to the current that must be passed to measure resistance. Modern EEGs and ECGs are specially enhanced voltmeters, that is, they measure tensions without inputting current of their own, with filters to get rid of undesired noise on signal due to the subject’s movements. Old EEGs and ECGs were actually galvanometers, and they used a completely different physical phenomenon to measure currents.

What the emeter measures through electrical resistance is bodily reactions induced by the autonomic system. When you have certain emotions, the autonomic system reacts in certain ways which are more or less out of your control, like making you sweat, blush, hearth rate increase, dilation of pupils, secretion of adrenaline, etc. Some of these reaction cause temporary changes in skin resistance that can be measured with the meter.

John: “When a person thinks, the brain has electrical activity (COMPLETELY documented in thousands of scientific studies). which changes the resistance of the body and thus the Wheatstone Bridge measures this.”

That explanation still has significant omitted data. It doesn’t account for why a person can at times be thinking (while talking, or not) yet the tone arm, which measures resistance, may not change at all (with perhaps the needle just floating) – while at other times, the tone arm may move quickly (or slowly) in either direction with a big (or small) change in the tone arm position signifying that the resistance (the mass) is also changing – commensurately.

This is what auditing on a meter is all about, i.e. “thinking” or looking at experiences that pull in emotional charge or mass (causing resistance to the electrical flow) and then discharging it – with the result that not only does the tone arm come down but the pc feels relief.

I guess you haven’t done any auditor training either?

marildi said, “True, John. But just saying that much doesn’t explain why the resistance increases and decreases in auditing, ”

Yes, it does. When a person thinks, the brain has electrical activity (COMPLETELY documented in thousands of scientific studies). which changes the resistance of the body and thus the Wheatstone Bridge measures this.

This conversation is a perfect example of why El Con tried to dissuade clams from getting a higher education.