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		By: Kronomex		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217142&quot;&gt;Gib&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;...he created 270 clears in the book dianetics!&quot; They were all fake because he created then in the book and not reality. If he had really created 270 clears, 260 of them &quot;cognited&quot; (no idea if I&#039;m using the word correctly) they cleared out of $camology with any luck as fast as their little legs could carry them.

Cognited: The act of having knighted a cog for services to clocks and other mechanical devices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217142">Gib</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;he created 270 clears in the book dianetics!&#8221; They were all fake because he created then in the book and not reality. If he had really created 270 clears, 260 of them &#8220;cognited&#8221; (no idea if I&#8217;m using the word correctly) they cleared out of $camology with any luck as fast as their little legs could carry them.</p>
<p>Cognited: The act of having knighted a cog for services to clocks and other mechanical devices.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 21:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217208&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Anyone involved in the Church of Scientology has had, is having or will have this moment of realization, and the decision made afterwards will determine that person&#039;s sanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217208">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Anyone involved in the Church of Scientology has had, is having or will have this moment of realization, and the decision made afterwards will determine that person&#8217;s sanity.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 21:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217118&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;And they do a job great of ignoring what&#039;s right in front of them.&quot;

What springs to mind is the way Stella Kowalsky in &quot;Streetcar Named Desire&quot; handles her sister Blanche&#039;s accusation of  her rape by Stella&#039;s husband Stanley. 

&quot;I couldn&#039;t believe her story and go on living with Stanley&quot;.

Notice she ddn&#039;t say, &quot;I don&#039;t believe it&quot;.  She said, &quot;I COULDN&#039;T believe it.&quot;

BIG difference!

Stella knows that her sister has gone off the reservation mentally but she also knows the KIND of lies her sister tells, and knows, deep down,  that her sister is a kind, honest person who would NEVER tell this kind of a huge, harmful, malicious lie.

Plus, her husband has denied raping his sister in law:   &quot;I never touched her!&quot;

Stella knows that to believe that her husband Stanley raped her sister Blanche  is to end her marriage.  She must not, cannot.

Her friend Eunice backs her up 100%. &quot;Don&#039;t you EVER believe it!   You have to go on living!&quot;

And Stella does not.  She goes on with Stanley and her new baby.  Blanche gets taken to a mental institution.

But right there, when she made that decision to not know what she knew, as her sister Blanche had done long ago, Stella, the realist, the pragmatic sister, made the same kind of decision to live her life based on lies  instead of truths and started down the the same road, to insanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217118">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;And they do a job great of ignoring what&#8217;s right in front of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>What springs to mind is the way Stella Kowalsky in &#8220;Streetcar Named Desire&#8221; handles her sister Blanche&#8217;s accusation of  her rape by Stella&#8217;s husband Stanley. </p>
<p>&#8220;I couldn&#8217;t believe her story and go on living with Stanley&#8221;.</p>
<p>Notice she ddn&#8217;t say, &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe it&#8221;.  She said, &#8220;I COULDN&#8217;T believe it.&#8221;</p>
<p>BIG difference!</p>
<p>Stella knows that her sister has gone off the reservation mentally but she also knows the KIND of lies her sister tells, and knows, deep down,  that her sister is a kind, honest person who would NEVER tell this kind of a huge, harmful, malicious lie.</p>
<p>Plus, her husband has denied raping his sister in law:   &#8220;I never touched her!&#8221;</p>
<p>Stella knows that to believe that her husband Stanley raped her sister Blanche  is to end her marriage.  She must not, cannot.</p>
<p>Her friend Eunice backs her up 100%. &#8220;Don&#8217;t you EVER believe it!   You have to go on living!&#8221;</p>
<p>And Stella does not.  She goes on with Stanley and her new baby.  Blanche gets taken to a mental institution.</p>
<p>But right there, when she made that decision to not know what she knew, as her sister Blanche had done long ago, Stella, the realist, the pragmatic sister, made the same kind of decision to live her life based on lies  instead of truths and started down the the same road, to insanity.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217093&quot;&gt;zemooo&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Scientology and numbers don&#039;t get along.&quot;

So true.  Great article, Mike.

The inconvenient truths that are the actual statistics of the Church of Scientology have long been classified as &quot;entheta&quot; and as such off limits to any of its members. 

The only people who are permitted this information are Miscavige and, of absolute necessity, I would think,  his tight inner circle of SOs and lawyers.

No one else is allowed to know, question or discuss the evidence of the actual statistics without being accused of &quot;forwarding entheta and enemy line&quot; - which is Scientology&#039;s nomenclature for being a heretic! 

For a member to insist on a clean and unbiased perusal of the actual statistics of Scientology is heresy!

In other words, if the Church of Scientology says something is true, then its true, that&#039;s all.  Question this, and you&#039;re a heretic!  

And anyone who refutes what the Church of Scientology says about itself, who points out actual facts and observations,  is an enemy of the Church of Scientology.

Scientology long ago joined the ranks o  doomed religions and spiritual practices  past and present in their use of fear and  punishment of its members as the means of controlling them and maintaining power.

Unless Scientology wises up and drops its toxic policies mandating the persecution and punishment of its heretics and instead begins to actively confront, understand, tolerate and truly help people,  it will go the way of all the rest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217093">zemooo</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Scientology and numbers don&#8217;t get along.&#8221;</p>
<p>So true.  Great article, Mike.</p>
<p>The inconvenient truths that are the actual statistics of the Church of Scientology have long been classified as &#8220;entheta&#8221; and as such off limits to any of its members. </p>
<p>The only people who are permitted this information are Miscavige and, of absolute necessity, I would think,  his tight inner circle of SOs and lawyers.</p>
<p>No one else is allowed to know, question or discuss the evidence of the actual statistics without being accused of &#8220;forwarding entheta and enemy line&#8221; &#8211; which is Scientology&#8217;s nomenclature for being a heretic! </p>
<p>For a member to insist on a clean and unbiased perusal of the actual statistics of Scientology is heresy!</p>
<p>In other words, if the Church of Scientology says something is true, then its true, that&#8217;s all.  Question this, and you&#8217;re a heretic!  </p>
<p>And anyone who refutes what the Church of Scientology says about itself, who points out actual facts and observations,  is an enemy of the Church of Scientology.</p>
<p>Scientology long ago joined the ranks o  doomed religions and spiritual practices  past and present in their use of fear and  punishment of its members as the means of controlling them and maintaining power.</p>
<p>Unless Scientology wises up and drops its toxic policies mandating the persecution and punishment of its heretics and instead begins to actively confront, understand, tolerate and truly help people,  it will go the way of all the rest.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217112&quot;&gt;MJM&lt;/a&gt;.

:)]]></description>
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<p>🙂</p>
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		By: BOLO-Be On Look Out		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217123&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

They would be on overload. Probably haven&#039;t had 3 raw public over the last 5 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217123">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>They would be on overload. Probably haven&#8217;t had 3 raw public over the last 5 years.</p>
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		By: Mary Kahn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 09:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217143&quot;&gt;whatareyourcrimes&lt;/a&gt;.

If you admire them enough, they will as-is   :)   That&#039;s a Hubbardism - not an exact quote and in fact, verbal tech.   Okay, I&#039;m officially keyed-in ;) Give me time.  I&#039;m still running it out.  Well, the way out is the way through.]]></description>
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<p>If you admire them enough, they will as-is   🙂   That&#8217;s a Hubbardism &#8211; not an exact quote and in fact, verbal tech.   Okay, I&#8217;m officially keyed-in 😉 Give me time.  I&#8217;m still running it out.  Well, the way out is the way through.</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 07:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217086&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Robert Shaw was great in that.  So was everybody else!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217086">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Robert Shaw was great in that.  So was everybody else!</p>
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		By: MJM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217138&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

If erasing your reactive mind results in the state of clear, ridding the world of Scientology gives you a cleared planet!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217138">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>If erasing your reactive mind results in the state of clear, ridding the world of Scientology gives you a cleared planet!</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 03:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217131&quot;&gt;Jaye R&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for that bit of information.  I hadn&#039;t initially been able to find where the mission, which years ago had been in some commercial space, ended up - it seems typical these days that they downsize into in an aging mission holder&#039;s home, or the residence of someone who tries to pick up the pieces when the mission holder blows.

Last week&#039;s Thursday Funnies including a promo piece for a Sunland/Tujunga Mission event being held at Richard and Susan Stewart&#039;s house ,10700 Hillrose Circle in Sunland, which looks to be about 3 miles away. 

Interestingly, in a post on a WWP thread, a 2009 letter from the mission HES was posted, claiming that Sunland/Tujunga had the highest concentration of scientologists (another item says OTs) anywhere in the world:  https://whyweprotest.net/threads/sunland-mission-going-down.46715/

It could be that they do have the highest concentration anywhere - but that&#039;s still not saying much, even in their stronghold in Southern California, where at most their members are about 2 in every 10,000 of the population.  If the population of the area is 60,000, and they have a dozen members there, that would actually be double their average concentration in the region!  (for comparison, in the US overall, the average is about 1 in 20,000; in the Tampa Bay area including Clearwater, it could be as high as around 4 per 10,000, excluding Sea Org, though it might just be closer to what it is in SoCal)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-big-lie-rolls-on/#comment-217131">Jaye R</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for that bit of information.  I hadn&#8217;t initially been able to find where the mission, which years ago had been in some commercial space, ended up &#8211; it seems typical these days that they downsize into in an aging mission holder&#8217;s home, or the residence of someone who tries to pick up the pieces when the mission holder blows.</p>
<p>Last week&#8217;s Thursday Funnies including a promo piece for a Sunland/Tujunga Mission event being held at Richard and Susan Stewart&#8217;s house ,10700 Hillrose Circle in Sunland, which looks to be about 3 miles away. </p>
<p>Interestingly, in a post on a WWP thread, a 2009 letter from the mission HES was posted, claiming that Sunland/Tujunga had the highest concentration of scientologists (another item says OTs) anywhere in the world:  <a href="https://whyweprotest.net/threads/sunland-mission-going-down.46715/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://whyweprotest.net/threads/sunland-mission-going-down.46715/</a></p>
<p>It could be that they do have the highest concentration anywhere &#8211; but that&#8217;s still not saying much, even in their stronghold in Southern California, where at most their members are about 2 in every 10,000 of the population.  If the population of the area is 60,000, and they have a dozen members there, that would actually be double their average concentration in the region!  (for comparison, in the US overall, the average is about 1 in 20,000; in the Tampa Bay area including Clearwater, it could be as high as around 4 per 10,000, excluding Sea Org, though it might just be closer to what it is in SoCal)</p>
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