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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2021 03:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405507&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, what is STAND except a type of modern-day media, a digital broadside?   Doesn&#039;t the critique about reliability and veracity apply to them at least as much?

And typically -- just like the media Kalergis says can&#039;t be trusted -- Scientology even gets their facts wrong:  Norvell was not a newspaper editor, just a 17 year old considering a possible future career doing so (which he eventually did).*

Jefferson&#039;s words fit pretty well when their subject is changed:

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in Scientology PR. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”

20 million members?!
&quot;Unprecedented expansion&quot;?!
&quot;Highest ever stats&quot;?!
&quot;no disconnection&quot;?!
and so on....

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Norvell]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405507">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Also, what is STAND except a type of modern-day media, a digital broadside?   Doesn&#8217;t the critique about reliability and veracity apply to them at least as much?</p>
<p>And typically &#8212; just like the media Kalergis says can&#8217;t be trusted &#8212; Scientology even gets their facts wrong:  Norvell was not a newspaper editor, just a 17 year old considering a possible future career doing so (which he eventually did).*</p>
<p>Jefferson&#8217;s words fit pretty well when their subject is changed:</p>
<p>“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in Scientology PR. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”</p>
<p>20 million members?!<br />
&#8220;Unprecedented expansion&#8221;?!<br />
&#8220;Highest ever stats&#8221;?!<br />
&#8220;no disconnection&#8221;?!<br />
and so on&#8230;.</p>
<p>* <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Norvell" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Norvell</a></p>
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		By: Dave Fagen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 22:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405647&quot;&gt;georgemwhite&lt;/a&gt;.

Very interesting. Thanks. I&#039;ll look for the book when you&#039;re done with it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405647">georgemwhite</a>.</p>
<p>Very interesting. Thanks. I&#8217;ll look for the book when you&#8217;re done with it.</p>
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		By: Clearly Not Clear		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405658</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405522&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

I loved reading how neatly you tied a bow in his bullshit logic. An Olympic take down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405522">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>I loved reading how neatly you tied a bow in his bullshit logic. An Olympic take down.</p>
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		By: georgemwhite		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 17:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405586&quot;&gt;Dave Fagen&lt;/a&gt;.

I can write another book now but I will just give you a few details.
After OT VIII on the Freewinds I returned to my job in Miami.  I ignored people.  I would go to meetings and answer questions with nonsense about misunderstoods.  My head was full of space alien ideas.   I made enemies by refusing to listen.  It goes on and on.
They ganged up against me.  The real kicker was an hour meeting with another director where I got hung up on &quot;this&quot; or &quot;that&quot; as a better word.  I could not follow ideas.  I suggested giving away our trucks.  A mess in my mind.
   Hubbard tried to hijack original Buddhism and he was totally wrong.  When I was in the Army serving in Korea during the Vietnam war, I learned Buddhism straight from the monks in Thailand and Singapore.  Original Buddhism was the opposite of Scientology.  As the monks explained, there was a cult called the &quot;Pudgalavadins&quot; who formed 100 years after the Buddha&#039;s death.  They had the primitive idea of the thetan.  
They were not Buddhist and declined.  I was perfectly ok studying Scientology for 17 years.  When Hubbard  claimed he was the connection to original Buddhism, he split my mind into an almost endless circle.  My Hubbard was an idiot but I just finished OT VIII.
It split my mind in half.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405586">Dave Fagen</a>.</p>
<p>I can write another book now but I will just give you a few details.<br />
After OT VIII on the Freewinds I returned to my job in Miami.  I ignored people.  I would go to meetings and answer questions with nonsense about misunderstoods.  My head was full of space alien ideas.   I made enemies by refusing to listen.  It goes on and on.<br />
They ganged up against me.  The real kicker was an hour meeting with another director where I got hung up on &#8220;this&#8221; or &#8220;that&#8221; as a better word.  I could not follow ideas.  I suggested giving away our trucks.  A mess in my mind.<br />
   Hubbard tried to hijack original Buddhism and he was totally wrong.  When I was in the Army serving in Korea during the Vietnam war, I learned Buddhism straight from the monks in Thailand and Singapore.  Original Buddhism was the opposite of Scientology.  As the monks explained, there was a cult called the &#8220;Pudgalavadins&#8221; who formed 100 years after the Buddha&#8217;s death.  They had the primitive idea of the thetan.<br />
They were not Buddhist and declined.  I was perfectly ok studying Scientology for 17 years.  When Hubbard  claimed he was the connection to original Buddhism, he split my mind into an almost endless circle.  My Hubbard was an idiot but I just finished OT VIII.<br />
It split my mind in half.</p>
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		By: geothemwhite		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405613&quot;&gt;Missed Withhold&lt;/a&gt;.

Great idea.  I will send this to Vern Buchanan, form Sarasota my rep.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405613">Missed Withhold</a>.</p>
<p>Great idea.  I will send this to Vern Buchanan, form Sarasota my rep.</p>
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		By: Missed Withhold		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 11:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405541&quot;&gt;georgemwhite&lt;/a&gt;.

George:  I am sad to read your story.  Scientology has 65 years of proving to the World that doing Scientology is hazardous to your health, your financial well-being, your mental well-being, your physical and spiritual well-being.  

Write to your State Representatives and  request the FDA and Government force the cult of Scientology to put a BLACK BOX WARNING on all $cientology courses and auditing routing forms that states:  

((((((WARNING)))))))) 

  $cientology is a faux religion and a cult.  $cientology and $cientologists including Mark &quot;Marty&quot; Rathbun extorted and bribed the United States Internal Revenue into granting it Tax Exempt Status in 1993 via unethical and immoral methods. 

$cientology is a Criminal Organization that has destroyed thousands and thousands of people&#039;s lives.  RUN AWAY!

The US Government is afraid of $cientology or is using $cientology as an experiment to see how GAS LIGHTING and brain washing methods works on people.

$cientology $ervices and $cientology Front Groups are not required to work under the laws of the land.  

$cientology has its own justice system and in 65 plus years has NEVER GRANTED ANYONE JUSTICE.

Google:  Luis Garcia, Debbie Cook.

$cientology uses Deceit, Manipulation, Fraud, Extortion, Bribery and Financial ruin, shattered families and lives  are only a few of the side effects of Doing Scientology $ervices.  

CAVEAT EMPTOR!!   Buyer Beware.  When entering any $cientology organization or affiliate, you  are entering a mind fucking evil cult and your life is in danger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405541">georgemwhite</a>.</p>
<p>George:  I am sad to read your story.  Scientology has 65 years of proving to the World that doing Scientology is hazardous to your health, your financial well-being, your mental well-being, your physical and spiritual well-being.  </p>
<p>Write to your State Representatives and  request the FDA and Government force the cult of Scientology to put a BLACK BOX WARNING on all $cientology courses and auditing routing forms that states:  </p>
<p>((((((WARNING)))))))) </p>
<p>  $cientology is a faux religion and a cult.  $cientology and $cientologists including Mark &#8220;Marty&#8221; Rathbun extorted and bribed the United States Internal Revenue into granting it Tax Exempt Status in 1993 via unethical and immoral methods. </p>
<p>$cientology is a Criminal Organization that has destroyed thousands and thousands of people&#8217;s lives.  RUN AWAY!</p>
<p>The US Government is afraid of $cientology or is using $cientology as an experiment to see how GAS LIGHTING and brain washing methods works on people.</p>
<p>$cientology $ervices and $cientology Front Groups are not required to work under the laws of the land.  </p>
<p>$cientology has its own justice system and in 65 plus years has NEVER GRANTED ANYONE JUSTICE.</p>
<p>Google:  Luis Garcia, Debbie Cook.</p>
<p>$cientology uses Deceit, Manipulation, Fraud, Extortion, Bribery and Financial ruin, shattered families and lives  are only a few of the side effects of Doing Scientology $ervices.  </p>
<p>CAVEAT EMPTOR!!   Buyer Beware.  When entering any $cientology organization or affiliate, you  are entering a mind fucking evil cult and your life is in danger.</p>
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		By: Mark Kamran		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405472&quot;&gt;Jp&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f44c.png" alt="👌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> summation of Scientology in two para.

Just want to add , after finding our it&#039;s fake and fraud ,if one still associated with it then it&#039;s pertinent to refer it as Stockholm Syndrome.

Fifty years ago, the term Stockholm Syndrome was coined at the end of a six-day bank siege. 

The phrase was reported to have been coined by criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot.

The hostages experience a powerful, primitive positive feeling towards their captor. They are in denial that this is the person who put them in that situation. In their mind, they think this is the person who is going to let them live.&quot;


The underlying principles of how it works can be related to different situations : 

&quot;A classic example is domestic violence, when someone - typically a woman - has a sense of dependency on her partner and stays with him,&quot; says psychologist Jennifer Wild, a consultant clinical psychologist at the University of Oxford.

&quot;She might feel empathy rather than anger. Child abuse is another one - when parents emotionally or physically abuse their children, but the child is protective towards them and either doesn&#039;t speak about it or lies about it.&quot;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22447726.amp]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405472">Jp</a>.</p>
<p>Excellent 👌 summation of Scientology in two para.</p>
<p>Just want to add , after finding our it&#8217;s fake and fraud ,if one still associated with it then it&#8217;s pertinent to refer it as Stockholm Syndrome.</p>
<p>Fifty years ago, the term Stockholm Syndrome was coined at the end of a six-day bank siege. </p>
<p>The phrase was reported to have been coined by criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot.</p>
<p>The hostages experience a powerful, primitive positive feeling towards their captor. They are in denial that this is the person who put them in that situation. In their mind, they think this is the person who is going to let them live.&#8221;</p>
<p>The underlying principles of how it works can be related to different situations : </p>
<p>&#8220;A classic example is domestic violence, when someone &#8211; typically a woman &#8211; has a sense of dependency on her partner and stays with him,&#8221; says psychologist Jennifer Wild, a consultant clinical psychologist at the University of Oxford.</p>
<p>&#8220;She might feel empathy rather than anger. Child abuse is another one &#8211; when parents emotionally or physically abuse their children, but the child is protective towards them and either doesn&#8217;t speak about it or lies about it.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22447726.amp" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22447726.amp</a></p>
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		By: Dave Fagen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405541&quot;&gt;georgemwhite&lt;/a&gt;.

George,

I (and probably others) would be very interested to know more specific details about this experience of yours. Details, for example, about how exactly you tried to apply study tech to a problem, and how it caused you to lose your $100,000 job. And how, in as much detail as you can possibly come up with, how OT VIII turned your mind into a split personality rooted in Buddhism. And any possible details about how you recovered. And whatever else you can think of. It might take you a long time to write, and it might be long enough to be a book. But I would want to read it.

Dave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405541">georgemwhite</a>.</p>
<p>George,</p>
<p>I (and probably others) would be very interested to know more specific details about this experience of yours. Details, for example, about how exactly you tried to apply study tech to a problem, and how it caused you to lose your $100,000 job. And how, in as much detail as you can possibly come up with, how OT VIII turned your mind into a split personality rooted in Buddhism. And any possible details about how you recovered. And whatever else you can think of. It might take you a long time to write, and it might be long enough to be a book. But I would want to read it.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 02:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-conceit-of-scientologists/#comment-405535&quot;&gt;Glenn&lt;/a&gt;.

I doubt if he will jump in with an update for us.  If he is UTR he wants to take no chances as disconnection is really real.]]></description>
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<p>I doubt if he will jump in with an update for us.  If he is UTR he wants to take no chances as disconnection is really real.</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 01:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[$camologists live in a Möbius strip universe.]]></description>
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