Mark, thanks. I get your point, totally, and we don’t actually disagree.

I wasn’t attempting to make the point that the 3 successful Still Ins I know are successful BECAUSE of their actions in Scientology.

Instead, all I was sharing was that I observe them doing certain actions that almost always result in success in anyone’s chosen field,

Now, these successful Still Ins might ATTRIBUTE their successful actions to Scientology and I’m not opining on that, one way or another.

My other point was that I know a number of Still Ins who are not successful. They DON’T do these actions. They do pretty much the OPPOSITE of what successful people do.

To illustrate with a mundane example:

I have a terrific dry cleaner. I also give her all my dry cleaning and the ironing is perfect. I give her my laundry too because her people do a great job, quickly, and I like the way they fluff and fold :). Her prices are reasonable. She’s polite and pleasant. Her helpers seem to like her. They’ve been there for over 5 years. She’s there 6 days a week from 6:30AM until 7PM at night. I know nothing about her personally except that she’s of Chinese origin. I don’t know her religion. She could be a Buddhist or a Taoist or a Catholic or an Atheist. I have no idea what she believes. She could be a Wiccan for all I know 🙂 All I know is she’s a good dry cleaner. I don’t know WHY she does the right stuff, or why she BELIEVES she is capable of doing the right stuff. All I know is she does the right stuff! I don’t know why 🙂 You see? SHE may believe that she’s successful because she’s a Buddhist or a Protestant or a Born Again Christian – I don’t know what goes on in her head. I only observe what she does.

Anyway, thanks for reading this long thing.

Its always great to dialogue with you, Mark. I appreciate your intelligence and that you respect my experiences and I’m glad that you know that I respect yours.

Hey J Swift, but wouldn’t simply offering the tech at discounted rates be considered “out tech” for the AO offering the tech? Shouldn’t all Orgs be using some sort of Scientology Big Mac Index, and then repricing to a standard rate daily? So no one org will be offering the tech at a premium or discount?

Hey Aqua,
Sounds like that very small sampling of folks are NOT rabid, KSW-observing, fundamentalist cult members, and are doing well IN SPITE OF entrusting their time, minds,and material and spiritual resources to the cult.
There is also the issue of defining ” benefit “gained from the practice of scientology beyond the anecdotal and personal; we are still talking about the real world reality of no clears, no operating thetans, etc. Empirically and objectively, scientology is a bricolage of lies, contradictions, and intentionally confusing theories, pronouncements, and fantasies…that employ a crude skin galvonometer to “confirm” their veracity.
Hence, my comment about common sense. On the other hand, if someone straightforwardly
acknowledges that Hubbard lied and that dianetics is NOT a modern science of anything and that scientology is just a game of make-believe that he chooses to play, minus the fair gaming and the family disconnecting and utterly ruining ” enemies ” and gay-bashing and psych-destroying and the quack medicine( purif/ narconon deaths) and the “always-attack-never-defend” stance and…and…and…well, I guess he can
” work on himself ” that way. Yes, I am being snarky and sarcastic about the utter futility of trying to cast the toxic turd of scientology as a useful tool for self improvement.
It’s totally cool if you disagree, I just hammer the point here for the new readers or the random person who might see what I’m writing and “cognite” that rampant
fuckery is hard-wired into scienbollocky.
Cheers, and thanks for the dialogue.👍

And what “Tech” are we talking about. The unworkable PTS/SP tech. The fake TRs tech, the mystical Reactive mind tech and the NOTs tech. Nice to have a version of Foolproof chiming in with predictable platitudes. I

For The Win

Cool, a “new” scamology psycho for the blog. In reality it is just a Foolproof sock-puppet. In between collecting and producing child porn WINNING_ON_ALL_DYNAMICS posts here.

Rheva Acevedo, are you related to Bob Acevedo who used to be a course sup at ASHO Day? If so, is he in or out?

It’s one of the worst pieces of fiction man has ever produced. It’s up there with the Bible, DMSMH and Harry Potter.

Thanks, Aquamarine! I so appreciate it. What I really like is your posts. You’re a very well read person. And I just really like you!