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		By: Episode 74: Julian Wain on WISE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Episode 74: Julian Wain on WISE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2022 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Sterling was founded by dentist Greg Hughes (he subsequently lost his license). Greg and his wife Debbie were recruited for the Sea Org and he eventually became WDC WISE in CMO International. Like everyone else in CMO Int, he and Debbie ended up in The Hole. Their daughter helped extricate them from the Sea Org because Debbie&#8217;s diabetic condition was deteriorating drastically due to lack of sleep and nutrition in The Hole. I wrote briefly about them here:  The Ex-SO Hall of Shame [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Sterling was founded by dentist Greg Hughes (he subsequently lost his license). Greg and his wife Debbie were recruited for the Sea Org and he eventually became WDC WISE in CMO International. Like everyone else in CMO Int, he and Debbie ended up in The Hole. Their daughter helped extricate them from the Sea Org because Debbie&#8217;s diabetic condition was deteriorating drastically due to lack of sleep and nutrition in The Hole. I wrote briefly about them here:  The Ex-SO Hall of Shame [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jim Moonie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good post Mike. What is notable is that there do not seem to be many CURRENT departures from Int or PAC who can describe clearly what is going on.  Have OSA changed the way they manipulate folk on the departure routing form or have those who left without routing out just gone numb out of fear? 
I rather stupidly routed out and could have saved myself some months of hardship since I bunked off  the RPFs RPF by ditching my glued-on twin, backtracked to pick up my bag, sped down the Bridge Publications staircase and high-tailed it off to the underground, where I took the first tube to Beverley hills!  
Without any support group it took me some time before I realized the &#039;contracts&#039; were a load of bunk and I could express myself.  
It would be good to hear what the current situation is from people who have more recently left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Mike. What is notable is that there do not seem to be many CURRENT departures from Int or PAC who can describe clearly what is going on.  Have OSA changed the way they manipulate folk on the departure routing form or have those who left without routing out just gone numb out of fear?<br />
I rather stupidly routed out and could have saved myself some months of hardship since I bunked off  the RPFs RPF by ditching my glued-on twin, backtracked to pick up my bag, sped down the Bridge Publications staircase and high-tailed it off to the underground, where I took the first tube to Beverley hills!<br />
Without any support group it took me some time before I realized the &#8216;contracts&#8217; were a load of bunk and I could express myself.<br />
It would be good to hear what the current situation is from people who have more recently left.</p>
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		By: Duh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2021 07:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-333118&quot;&gt;Another lost supporter&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Alonso! How&#039;$ Marty doing? Put him on the can$, let u$ know...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-333118">Another lost supporter</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Alonso! How&#8217;$ Marty doing? Put him on the can$, let u$ know&#8230;</p>
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		By: Watchdog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2020 15:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In case you haven&#039;t been following Javier Ruiz and his new wife - he is now one of the Chairs of the Technology Association of Portland (https://www.techoregon.org/board-directors/) and the CEO of CarZato, and she is running for city council of McMinnville as an Anti-Vax Republican.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you haven&#8217;t been following Javier Ruiz and his new wife &#8211; he is now one of the Chairs of the Technology Association of Portland (<a href="https://www.techoregon.org/board-directors/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.techoregon.org/board-directors/</a>) and the CEO of CarZato, and she is running for city council of McMinnville as an Anti-Vax Republican.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-333118&quot;&gt;Another lost supporter&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Funny how you seem to have some insider knowledge about what I am supposedly being &quot;silent&quot; about? What information do you assume I have that I have not told? And not told to whom? 

As someone who just pops up with an anonymous ID, why should anyone take you seriously?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-333118">Another lost supporter</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry to disappoint you.</p>
<p>Funny how you seem to have some insider knowledge about what I am supposedly being &#8220;silent&#8221; about? What information do you assume I have that I have not told? And not told to whom? </p>
<p>As someone who just pops up with an anonymous ID, why should anyone take you seriously?</p>
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		By: Another lost supporter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another lost supporter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike,
Your post is shameful. You are not the man I thought you were. I wish you would tell the WHOLE Lisa McPherson truth, Kyle Brennan, etc. All the people YOU are remaining silent about are being lost to the wind. 

I wholeheartedly supported you... I hope you ans Leah realize how much damage you both are doing to this cause.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
Your post is shameful. You are not the man I thought you were. I wish you would tell the WHOLE Lisa McPherson truth, Kyle Brennan, etc. All the people YOU are remaining silent about are being lost to the wind. </p>
<p>I wholeheartedly supported you&#8230; I hope you ans Leah realize how much damage you both are doing to this cause.</p>
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		By: Our 10th Anniversary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Our 10th Anniversary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 21:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The Ex-SO Hall of Shame [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Kat LaRue		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kat LaRue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-262756&quot;&gt;gtsix&lt;/a&gt;.

Gtsix,

This is one of those situational ethics questions that has no absolute right or wrong answer. I would also think it is highly individualized and impossible for one person to answer for another.  My heart would say boycott them all and try to publicly expose the crime.  However, intellectually, I know that that would be far too much for any one person to do alone.  It would also create monstrous issues with the economy (j/k).  I think it boils down to how you personally felt about the situation.  I would also say that for art, while Rand is inext icably tied to her work, many artists are not.  That likely makes it easier- how much do you know about the artist behind each painting in a museum or gallery?  I guess if you knew the truth it could negatively effect your feelings- I don’t know.  Just my 2 cents]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-262756">gtsix</a>.</p>
<p>Gtsix,</p>
<p>This is one of those situational ethics questions that has no absolute right or wrong answer. I would also think it is highly individualized and impossible for one person to answer for another.  My heart would say boycott them all and try to publicly expose the crime.  However, intellectually, I know that that would be far too much for any one person to do alone.  It would also create monstrous issues with the economy (j/k).  I think it boils down to how you personally felt about the situation.  I would also say that for art, while Rand is inext icably tied to her work, many artists are not.  That likely makes it easier- how much do you know about the artist behind each painting in a museum or gallery?  I guess if you knew the truth it could negatively effect your feelings- I don’t know.  Just my 2 cents</p>
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		By: gtsix		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gtsix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-262128&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Which misses the point I was making.

Once you DO know, is it only art that gets such a pass?

If you do know the local pizza man beats his wife, do you buy his pizza?
If the policeman attends nazi rallies, would you want him to be the officer investigating a case you have?
If you do know the woman who runs the dry cleaner is embezzling money from her business, do you continue to use her service?
If you do know the head of the security company you were looking to hire for an event has 1 murder conviction and 3 assault charges pending... do you hire him anyway?   
If you know the teacher has a sexual assault conviction, would you leave a child alone in their presence?
If the taxi driver is a known heroin addict, do you get in his cab?

Like I said, I am always interested in this idea that artists get a pass.  I don&#039;t know if I agree with the &quot;the art is separate from the person who created it&quot; idea.  It can be treated that way.  It can also not be treated that way.

No worries, we differ on this.  Such is life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-262128">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Which misses the point I was making.</p>
<p>Once you DO know, is it only art that gets such a pass?</p>
<p>If you do know the local pizza man beats his wife, do you buy his pizza?<br />
If the policeman attends nazi rallies, would you want him to be the officer investigating a case you have?<br />
If you do know the woman who runs the dry cleaner is embezzling money from her business, do you continue to use her service?<br />
If you do know the head of the security company you were looking to hire for an event has 1 murder conviction and 3 assault charges pending&#8230; do you hire him anyway?<br />
If you know the teacher has a sexual assault conviction, would you leave a child alone in their presence?<br />
If the taxi driver is a known heroin addict, do you get in his cab?</p>
<p>Like I said, I am always interested in this idea that artists get a pass.  I don&#8217;t know if I agree with the &#8220;the art is separate from the person who created it&#8221; idea.  It can be treated that way.  It can also not be treated that way.</p>
<p>No worries, we differ on this.  Such is life.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2019 02:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-262109&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

Lot of out-of-context and literally understood nonsense here implying Hubbard was a 1950s version of Heinrich Himmler. And yet what does society or rather psychiatry/psychology and the justice system do to the anti-social personality? They stick them or rather &quot;quarantine&quot; them in lunatic asylums and prisons so that they can&#039;t damage the social personalities and society. Or let them out to run amok when they feel like it. Or damage them further with their so-called &quot;treatments&quot;.

The only thing is, Hubbard really and acutely and accurately pointed out the attributes of such people and so those sociopaths who escape this &quot;quarantining&quot; by their sly means, don&#039;t like the fact that Hubbard exposes their activities quite clearly - and so rant and rail against Hubbard. Oh! I&#039;ve just had a cognition here about some of the people commenting here! Well, what dya know! My needle is floating!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ex-so-hall-of-shame/#comment-262109">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>Lot of out-of-context and literally understood nonsense here implying Hubbard was a 1950s version of Heinrich Himmler. And yet what does society or rather psychiatry/psychology and the justice system do to the anti-social personality? They stick them or rather &#8220;quarantine&#8221; them in lunatic asylums and prisons so that they can&#8217;t damage the social personalities and society. Or let them out to run amok when they feel like it. Or damage them further with their so-called &#8220;treatments&#8221;.</p>
<p>The only thing is, Hubbard really and acutely and accurately pointed out the attributes of such people and so those sociopaths who escape this &#8220;quarantining&#8221; by their sly means, don&#8217;t like the fact that Hubbard exposes their activities quite clearly &#8211; and so rant and rail against Hubbard. Oh! I&#8217;ve just had a cognition here about some of the people commenting here! Well, what dya know! My needle is floating!</p>
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