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	Comments on: The Hubbard Hall Boondoggle. Enough Already	</title>
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		By: Rasha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Hancher Auditorium is gorgeous. I hope to visit one day.  What&#039;s the Hubs Hall gonna provide to a Scientology-only crowd? I&#039;m guessing to won&#039;t be Handel&#039;s Messiah, or Sunday In The Park With George. Maybe &quot;Battlefield Earth: The Musical&quot;, with 3-hour, locked-door speech about the importance of funding the IAS...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hancher Auditorium is gorgeous. I hope to visit one day.  What&#8217;s the Hubs Hall gonna provide to a Scientology-only crowd? I&#8217;m guessing to won&#8217;t be Handel&#8217;s Messiah, or Sunday In The Park With George. Maybe &#8220;Battlefield Earth: The Musical&#8221;, with 3-hour, locked-door speech about the importance of funding the IAS&#8230;</p>
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		By: Episode 56: Mat Pesch Former Scientology Finance Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Episode 56: Mat Pesch Former Scientology Finance Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] My post on collecting funds for LRH Hall The L. Ron Hubbard Hall Boondoggle. Enough Already [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: valboski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404725&quot;&gt;Mark Kamran&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Otherwise Donors are not from Mars ,they will avoid participating in similar venture in future.&quot;

I beg to differ........after the donors on the Super Power Building got raked over the coals, you might think they had learned their lesson.

If these figures are accurate that would not seem to be the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404725">Mark Kamran</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Otherwise Donors are not from Mars ,they will avoid participating in similar venture in future.&#8221;</p>
<p>I beg to differ&#8230;&#8230;..after the donors on the Super Power Building got raked over the coals, you might think they had learned their lesson.</p>
<p>If these figures are accurate that would not seem to be the case.</p>
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		By: valboski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404621&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

How about &quot;Jack Clam&quot;........lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404621">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>How about &#8220;Jack Clam&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;..lol</p>
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		By: Mark Kamran		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2021 06:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404633&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

I am more into macro economic impact as eventually $100 million shall be pumped in Clear Water economy over a period of 3 to 4 years.

On same token taking huge project like this is a big risk , as how much revenue it shall generate .
Otherwise Donors are not from Mars ,they will avoid participating in similar venture in future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404633">Bruce Ploetz</a>.</p>
<p>I am more into macro economic impact as eventually $100 million shall be pumped in Clear Water economy over a period of 3 to 4 years.</p>
<p>On same token taking huge project like this is a big risk , as how much revenue it shall generate .<br />
Otherwise Donors are not from Mars ,they will avoid participating in similar venture in future.</p>
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		By: Mark Kamran		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Kamran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2021 06:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404621&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s the Clear and Present Danger for the Cults in general and for Scientology in particular.

Those Jack Scientologist may take a  U-Turn for class action law suit for being kept under * undue influence&quot; ,which resulted them mental stress and financial loss.

That&#039;s why to  all cult groups my advice is to go on isolation in MidWest agrarian community under the lead of &quot; reincarnated  Egyptian king , European dictator or US  President &quot; 

A game common amongst Cults, at stage of paranoia ( 2nd last stage) ,people and things  slipping from their hand.

Especially when the Supreme leader is Middle school drop out.<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404621">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the Clear and Present Danger for the Cults in general and for Scientology in particular.</p>
<p>Those Jack Scientologist may take a  U-Turn for class action law suit for being kept under * undue influence&#8221; ,which resulted them mental stress and financial loss.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why to  all cult groups my advice is to go on isolation in MidWest agrarian community under the lead of &#8221; reincarnated  Egyptian king , European dictator or US  President &#8221; </p>
<p>A game common amongst Cults, at stage of paranoia ( 2nd last stage) ,people and things  slipping from their hand.</p>
<p>Especially when the Supreme leader is Middle school drop out.😂😂😂</p>
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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Pendleton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2021 01:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404602&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Mike. I remember the kid being a handfull over forty years ago.

As good as friends as Ruthie and I were, in all those decades, she never once regged me. ASHO always got Bill Bertinot or Ken Shapiro to get on me (I liked them too and gave them my money, but we were never friends).

When I left in 2006, I wouldn&#039;t open my door to SO members no matter how many times they knocked or stood outside the door. I wouldn&#039;t pick up my phone when ASHO called. Had Ruthie not passed away, and had ASHO sent her to my door, I don&#039;t think I could have ignored her. Would I have been successfully &quot;handled&quot; then? I&#039;ll never know. Just glad I left and with some money in the bank.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404602">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Mike. I remember the kid being a handfull over forty years ago.</p>
<p>As good as friends as Ruthie and I were, in all those decades, she never once regged me. ASHO always got Bill Bertinot or Ken Shapiro to get on me (I liked them too and gave them my money, but we were never friends).</p>
<p>When I left in 2006, I wouldn&#8217;t open my door to SO members no matter how many times they knocked or stood outside the door. I wouldn&#8217;t pick up my phone when ASHO called. Had Ruthie not passed away, and had ASHO sent her to my door, I don&#8217;t think I could have ignored her. Would I have been successfully &#8220;handled&#8221; then? I&#8217;ll never know. Just glad I left and with some money in the bank.</p>
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		By: georgemwhite		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2021 21:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404538&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

I;m sure but I have no proof]]></description>
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<p>I;m sure but I have no proof</p>
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		By: Bruce Ploetz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404545&quot;&gt;Mark Kamran&lt;/a&gt;.

Mark, in this case it is a little different. 

There will be no high-priced professional editors, cameramen, lighting crew or stage hands raking in union scale cash at this venue. Dave gets all his labor at cost (room and board) from Sea Org volunteers. He will actually save millions every year by cutting out the professionals and rental equipment that were doing these events. 

I am sure that lots of the incestuous money laundering you describe does go on in Clearwater, but the L Ron Hubbard Hall probably won&#039;t add much to it.]]></description>
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<p>Mark, in this case it is a little different. </p>
<p>There will be no high-priced professional editors, cameramen, lighting crew or stage hands raking in union scale cash at this venue. Dave gets all his labor at cost (room and board) from Sea Org volunteers. He will actually save millions every year by cutting out the professionals and rental equipment that were doing these events. </p>
<p>I am sure that lots of the incestuous money laundering you describe does go on in Clearwater, but the L Ron Hubbard Hall probably won&#8217;t add much to it.</p>
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		By: Bruce Ploetz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Ploetz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404539&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere, you are right that he would love to be able to rake in his mountains of donation cash without ever leaving his heavily fortified, guarded and protected palatial estates.

But you also have to take his monumental ego into account. He gets a real rush from going on the stage to the cheers of thousands, delivering the money lines that trigger the standing ovations, hearing his own voice booming back to him from a large hall. I think someone even tallies up all the applause time and reports it to him. 

The trained seals in his picked audience know all about this. They know that when he delivers a pregnant pause after some hyperbolic punch line they are supposed to do a standing ovation. They know it is never best to be the last one to stand up or the first one to stop applauding, so they go on and on with senseless hip-hip-hoorays. Dave beaming the whole time. 

When I was setting up his microphone it was nearly impossible to get enough of the sound of his own voice coming back to him without howling feedback. Finally we ended up with thousands of dollars worth of specialized processing equipment and carefully placed monitor speakers. And hyper-cardioid microphones. Nobody could talk him into using in-ear monitors. I think three or four of us ended up with suppressive person declares because we couldn&#039;t make him feel like he was at a Nuremburg rally on stage. 

This is the real purpose of the &quot;L Ron Hubbard Hall&quot; - to give him a venue in a protected area with enough of an audience to give him a decent rush when he goes on. They can export their propaganda videos as often as they want with no need to spend millions a year for rental setups in halls around the world that they can no longer fill. 

With Scientology there are only two answers to any &quot;why&quot; questions - Money and Dave&#039;s ego.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-hubbard-hall-boondoggle-enough-already/#comment-404539">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Jere, you are right that he would love to be able to rake in his mountains of donation cash without ever leaving his heavily fortified, guarded and protected palatial estates.</p>
<p>But you also have to take his monumental ego into account. He gets a real rush from going on the stage to the cheers of thousands, delivering the money lines that trigger the standing ovations, hearing his own voice booming back to him from a large hall. I think someone even tallies up all the applause time and reports it to him. </p>
<p>The trained seals in his picked audience know all about this. They know that when he delivers a pregnant pause after some hyperbolic punch line they are supposed to do a standing ovation. They know it is never best to be the last one to stand up or the first one to stop applauding, so they go on and on with senseless hip-hip-hoorays. Dave beaming the whole time. </p>
<p>When I was setting up his microphone it was nearly impossible to get enough of the sound of his own voice coming back to him without howling feedback. Finally we ended up with thousands of dollars worth of specialized processing equipment and carefully placed monitor speakers. And hyper-cardioid microphones. Nobody could talk him into using in-ear monitors. I think three or four of us ended up with suppressive person declares because we couldn&#8217;t make him feel like he was at a Nuremburg rally on stage. </p>
<p>This is the real purpose of the &#8220;L Ron Hubbard Hall&#8221; &#8211; to give him a venue in a protected area with enough of an audience to give him a decent rush when he goes on. They can export their propaganda videos as often as they want with no need to spend millions a year for rental setups in halls around the world that they can no longer fill. </p>
<p>With Scientology there are only two answers to any &#8220;why&#8221; questions &#8211; Money and Dave&#8217;s ego.</p>
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