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		By: CB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2021 02:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; That&#039;s so theta!!

Omg that&#039;s so cringe]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; That&#8217;s so theta!!</p>
<p>Omg that&#8217;s so cringe</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399370&quot;&gt;Xenos&lt;/a&gt;.

Xenos, that&#039;s a good time estimate for &quot;clear&quot;; it&#039;s going &quot;OT&quot; that runs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  I thought I&#039;d seen figures of $50k for clear, but maybe it&#039;s $150k at more like $1k per hour - though the 150 hours is definitely in the ballpark.  (a steeper $150K cost would also explain why long-term members of lesser means, including staff, may not get even that far on the &quot;bridge&quot; until late in their lives, if at all)

This summarizes a couple of things I found online when I checked again, including accounts by former staff members:

&quot;Costs can vary considerably depending upon the needs of the individual, but a rough estimate suggests you’ll be paying $128,000 to reach Clear, another $33,000 to reach OT III, and an additional $100,000 to $130,000 to reach OT VIII, which is the highest level currently available.&quot;
&#062; https://www.learnreligions.com/how-much-does-scientology-cost-95805

&quot;Remini’s mother said it took her nearly two years to hit “&#039;Clear&#039;&quot;
&#062; https://globalnews.ca/news/3721663/leah-remini-scientology-bridge-total-freedom/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399370">Xenos</a>.</p>
<p>Xenos, that&#8217;s a good time estimate for &#8220;clear&#8221;; it&#8217;s going &#8220;OT&#8221; that runs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  I thought I&#8217;d seen figures of $50k for clear, but maybe it&#8217;s $150k at more like $1k per hour &#8211; though the 150 hours is definitely in the ballpark.  (a steeper $150K cost would also explain why long-term members of lesser means, including staff, may not get even that far on the &#8220;bridge&#8221; until late in their lives, if at all)</p>
<p>This summarizes a couple of things I found online when I checked again, including accounts by former staff members:</p>
<p>&#8220;Costs can vary considerably depending upon the needs of the individual, but a rough estimate suggests you’ll be paying $128,000 to reach Clear, another $33,000 to reach OT III, and an additional $100,000 to $130,000 to reach OT VIII, which is the highest level currently available.&#8221;<br />
&gt; <a href="https://www.learnreligions.com/how-much-does-scientology-cost-95805" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.learnreligions.com/how-much-does-scientology-cost-95805</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Remini’s mother said it took her nearly two years to hit “&#8217;Clear'&#8221;<br />
&gt; <a href="https://globalnews.ca/news/3721663/leah-remini-scientology-bridge-total-freedom/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://globalnews.ca/news/3721663/leah-remini-scientology-bridge-total-freedom/</a></p>
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		By: Real		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2021 22:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399022&quot;&gt;Xenos&lt;/a&gt;.

No Xenos.  I had a friend on staff at FSO who was 15, on solo nuts and a Class IX (did through class VIII for doing IX)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399022">Xenos</a>.</p>
<p>No Xenos.  I had a friend on staff at FSO who was 15, on solo nuts and a Class IX (did through class VIII for doing IX)</p>
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		By: Xenos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2021 11:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399178&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your reply. I suppose also for a youngster it would be significantly easier to get to clear as they have hardly anything to clear. Lets take this kid as a example - auditor asks him to recall something distresing, he ums and ars as he has yet to experience any trauma and comes up with &quot;well one day, i was like playing my ps4 and was about to get a high score in Assasins Creed but the power went out - i got like realy angry like&quot;. Compare that to a 40 year old who may have had many upsets eg marriage break ups, work problems, relationship problems, bad business deals/ advice, investment losses etc etc. and you would imagine the older individual would need to set aside a greater amount of hours to go clear.

Your quote of 50,000 to clear is the smallest figure ive heard - im used to hearing estimates 350k to half million. In any case at 150 hours thats only 330 something a hour - its a lot more than that, I believe 600 - 800. 

Now that i think of it, are you sure the minimum hours to clear is only 150 hours ? You could do that in 6 months by doing 6 hours auditing weekly (one Saturday).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399178">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply. I suppose also for a youngster it would be significantly easier to get to clear as they have hardly anything to clear. Lets take this kid as a example &#8211; auditor asks him to recall something distresing, he ums and ars as he has yet to experience any trauma and comes up with &#8220;well one day, i was like playing my ps4 and was about to get a high score in Assasins Creed but the power went out &#8211; i got like realy angry like&#8221;. Compare that to a 40 year old who may have had many upsets eg marriage break ups, work problems, relationship problems, bad business deals/ advice, investment losses etc etc. and you would imagine the older individual would need to set aside a greater amount of hours to go clear.</p>
<p>Your quote of 50,000 to clear is the smallest figure ive heard &#8211; im used to hearing estimates 350k to half million. In any case at 150 hours thats only 330 something a hour &#8211; its a lot more than that, I believe 600 &#8211; 800. </p>
<p>Now that i think of it, are you sure the minimum hours to clear is only 150 hours ? You could do that in 6 months by doing 6 hours auditing weekly (one Saturday).</p>
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		By: McThetanburger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2021 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now that he&#039;s in the S.O. I&#039;m betting it&#039;ll be a looong time before he ever makes any more &quot;bridge progress.&quot; Young and strong but I doubt he&#039;ll last more than a few years before he wises up and bails.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that he&#8217;s in the S.O. I&#8217;m betting it&#8217;ll be a looong time before he ever makes any more &#8220;bridge progress.&#8221; Young and strong but I doubt he&#8217;ll last more than a few years before he wises up and bails.</p>
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		By: Balletlady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Balletlady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2021 20:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399175&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you PM....I had a friend a long while ago who moved from Upstate NY to deep south Louisiana.  She was a fun loving woman.  I hadn&#039;t seen her for about two years, but when she came back North to visit WOW, she sure changed.

She got sucked into this Born Again cult where every word out of her mouth was...well, you can imagine. The Bible was always in her hand, tracts pushed on people, Bible quoting......can&#039;t say GDamnit around her......

She&#039;d married a dude who was a member of the Church Board...get herself newly Baptized with complete immersion in a tub built into the floor of the church had to wear a white robe, no makeup of fancy hairstyle since you&#039;re gonna get drowned!!! 
They USE to do Baptisms at the RIVER, but it was often too cold &#038; the water moving too swiftly/fast so for reasons of safety they had the church floor torn up &#038; a bathtub installed. 

She had a daughter form a previous relationship &#038; THAT poor kid got suckered into this scenario as well.  A little religious tyrant....parroting her mother &#038; step father. After that....I didn&#039;t see or hear from her again because &quot;I was not ONE  with  God&quot;...OK! Thanks! ....she did me a huge favor without knowing it!

Her mother passed away two years ago, no one from the family I&#039;d know 30+ years called me to let me know....I found out recently when I visited my parents&#039; grave in May of this year &#038; when I bumped into a former neighbor of my parents. They are Presbyterian so still friendly to me! 

People come and go in our lives.....that&#039;s just the way it is I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399175">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you PM&#8230;.I had a friend a long while ago who moved from Upstate NY to deep south Louisiana.  She was a fun loving woman.  I hadn&#8217;t seen her for about two years, but when she came back North to visit WOW, she sure changed.</p>
<p>She got sucked into this Born Again cult where every word out of her mouth was&#8230;well, you can imagine. The Bible was always in her hand, tracts pushed on people, Bible quoting&#8230;&#8230;can&#8217;t say GDamnit around her&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>She&#8217;d married a dude who was a member of the Church Board&#8230;get herself newly Baptized with complete immersion in a tub built into the floor of the church had to wear a white robe, no makeup of fancy hairstyle since you&#8217;re gonna get drowned!!!<br />
They USE to do Baptisms at the RIVER, but it was often too cold &amp; the water moving too swiftly/fast so for reasons of safety they had the church floor torn up &amp; a bathtub installed. </p>
<p>She had a daughter form a previous relationship &amp; THAT poor kid got suckered into this scenario as well.  A little religious tyrant&#8230;.parroting her mother &amp; step father. After that&#8230;.I didn&#8217;t see or hear from her again because &#8220;I was not ONE  with  God&#8221;&#8230;OK! Thanks! &#8230;.she did me a huge favor without knowing it!</p>
<p>Her mother passed away two years ago, no one from the family I&#8217;d know 30+ years called me to let me know&#8230;.I found out recently when I visited my parents&#8217; grave in May of this year &amp; when I bumped into a former neighbor of my parents. They are Presbyterian so still friendly to me! </p>
<p>People come and go in our lives&#8230;..that&#8217;s just the way it is I guess.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2021 13:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399022&quot;&gt;Xenos&lt;/a&gt;.

Xenos, I think slow progress is a problem of lack of money on the part of many members.  From what I&#039;ve seen there are a significant number of old timer members who have lived marginally since the 60s or 70s and just never been able to afford more than the occasional course or bit of auditing.  Contrast that with those who have money - and get most prominently featured in scientology promo, like this - who can move up relatively fast, if not extremely fast.

I think it&#039;s been calculated that it takes about 150 hours to get to &quot;clear&quot; and costs around $50,000.  That&#039;s something a rich kid could do in a summer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399022">Xenos</a>.</p>
<p>Xenos, I think slow progress is a problem of lack of money on the part of many members.  From what I&#8217;ve seen there are a significant number of old timer members who have lived marginally since the 60s or 70s and just never been able to afford more than the occasional course or bit of auditing.  Contrast that with those who have money &#8211; and get most prominently featured in scientology promo, like this &#8211; who can move up relatively fast, if not extremely fast.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s been calculated that it takes about 150 hours to get to &#8220;clear&#8221; and costs around $50,000.  That&#8217;s something a rich kid could do in a summer.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2021 13:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399080&quot;&gt;Balletlady&lt;/a&gt;.

Balletlady, good point. That&#039;s one of the reasons that high control groups and cults recruit mostly younger people, not only are their lives in flux but their brains, and their ability to make sound judgments, are, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399080">Balletlady</a>.</p>
<p>Balletlady, good point. That&#8217;s one of the reasons that high control groups and cults recruit mostly younger people, not only are their lives in flux but their brains, and their ability to make sound judgments, are, too.</p>
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		By: RAW Meat: It&#8217;s a Real Homor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] She is another version of the OT 6 SO kid. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-incestuous-world-of-scientology-staff/#comment-399113&quot;&gt;Skyler23&lt;/a&gt;.

Skyler 23: Cheers!
Hip, hip, little demon(dm) go away!
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f44d-1f3fd.png" alt="👍🏽" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f609.png" alt="😉" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
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<p>Skyler 23: Cheers!<br />
Hip, hip, little demon(dm) go away!<br />
👍🏽😉</p>
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