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		By: 1984		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21562</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1984]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21197&quot;&gt;Globetrotter&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree, GT.
Ability to confront includes the willingness to confront evil. (Evil&#039;s best defense is the unwillingness of most people to confront it.  It is uncomfortable.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21197">Globetrotter</a>.</p>
<p>I agree, GT.<br />
Ability to confront includes the willingness to confront evil. (Evil&#8217;s best defense is the unwillingness of most people to confront it.  It is uncomfortable.)</p>
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		By: Travers E Harris		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21487</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Travers E Harris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well Well, nothing surprising to me. I ran the Joburg Org on mission from FOLO AF for a while. In case anyone is not aware of the real problem in Scientology, here it is. The current leader of the movement is a psycho, absolutely so. His staff, world wide, are PTS and are terrified that they may lose their eternity if they are not good Scientologists so they carry out the psycho&#039;s orders. People, you own your spirituality and no-one can take it away from you, it is in your hands.

I spent 22 years in the movement mostly working on the ships with LRH and FOLOs. I had my fair share of working with psychos in the sea org]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Well, nothing surprising to me. I ran the Joburg Org on mission from FOLO AF for a while. In case anyone is not aware of the real problem in Scientology, here it is. The current leader of the movement is a psycho, absolutely so. His staff, world wide, are PTS and are terrified that they may lose their eternity if they are not good Scientologists so they carry out the psycho&#8217;s orders. People, you own your spirituality and no-one can take it away from you, it is in your hands.</p>
<p>I spent 22 years in the movement mostly working on the ships with LRH and FOLOs. I had my fair share of working with psychos in the sea org</p>
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		By: Carcha		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21257</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carcha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21128&quot;&gt;remoteviewed&lt;/a&gt;.

Jeff,

Adding to the logical train of thought:
What if what we think we are seeing really isn&#039;t what we are seeing at all?
Then all of Scientology would be a complete farce!
BUT ... that wouldn&#039;t matter since it all would be a complete farce - everything!
Then this blog is also part of the vast, underground/ above ground conspiracy?!
And we&#039;re replying to what we ourselves wrote - only.
Which means each of us is a part of the government!
ONLY ... it doesn&#039;t matter! There is no government!
And we are all a part of nothing, just like Hemingway wrote ... oh, wait ....

(I think this is why Hubbard wrote the Data Series, because of little things like omitted data. It seems that all logic must be based on the premise that there is cause and effect. Otherwise, you have the ridiculous. This is, almost literally, incredibly simple. I think the corollary or second axiom would be that all logic must be based on observation. Scientology is based on observation. Some care to not observe, and so omit data, and there you have nascent illogic.) 

Just chatting.

Carcha]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21128">remoteviewed</a>.</p>
<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Adding to the logical train of thought:<br />
What if what we think we are seeing really isn&#8217;t what we are seeing at all?<br />
Then all of Scientology would be a complete farce!<br />
BUT &#8230; that wouldn&#8217;t matter since it all would be a complete farce &#8211; everything!<br />
Then this blog is also part of the vast, underground/ above ground conspiracy?!<br />
And we&#8217;re replying to what we ourselves wrote &#8211; only.<br />
Which means each of us is a part of the government!<br />
ONLY &#8230; it doesn&#8217;t matter! There is no government!<br />
And we are all a part of nothing, just like Hemingway wrote &#8230; oh, wait &#8230;.</p>
<p>(I think this is why Hubbard wrote the Data Series, because of little things like omitted data. It seems that all logic must be based on the premise that there is cause and effect. Otherwise, you have the ridiculous. This is, almost literally, incredibly simple. I think the corollary or second axiom would be that all logic must be based on observation. Scientology is based on observation. Some care to not observe, and so omit data, and there you have nascent illogic.) </p>
<p>Just chatting.</p>
<p>Carcha</p>
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		By: Carcha		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21252</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carcha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21197&quot;&gt;Globetrotter&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, it&#039;s not &quot;my&quot; little datum, that an SP is PTS to himself. And if you wish to attribute survival to evil, if you wish to call ill-gotten gains &quot;survival,&quot; then I guess that&#039;s your mistake to make - but it is a bad one.  

Suspicion exists only in the absence of facts. And it usually leads to massacres, a la French Revolution, Inquisitions, Witch Trials, and so on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21197">Globetrotter</a>.</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s not &#8220;my&#8221; little datum, that an SP is PTS to himself. And if you wish to attribute survival to evil, if you wish to call ill-gotten gains &#8220;survival,&#8221; then I guess that&#8217;s your mistake to make &#8211; but it is a bad one.  </p>
<p>Suspicion exists only in the absence of facts. And it usually leads to massacres, a la French Revolution, Inquisitions, Witch Trials, and so on.</p>
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		By: Calvin B Duffield		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calvin B Duffield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2013 05:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21168&quot;&gt;Wendy M&lt;/a&gt;.

Duplicated, Wendy, -- thanks! As I said earlier here, Ernie &#038; Gaye started out in Durban, in the early 70&#039;s with very little, but cognited immediately and just rocketed from there.

There are many, many, under-the-radar&#039;s, still hovering, for the &#039;standard reasons,&#039; most of which involve; &#039;sparing loved one&#039;s from being hurt, ex-communicated, etc.etc&#039;

Just a little while longer, and the bulging eyed, sociopathic dwarf will just be toast!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21168">Wendy M</a>.</p>
<p>Duplicated, Wendy, &#8212; thanks! As I said earlier here, Ernie &amp; Gaye started out in Durban, in the early 70&#8217;s with very little, but cognited immediately and just rocketed from there.</p>
<p>There are many, many, under-the-radar&#8217;s, still hovering, for the &#8216;standard reasons,&#8217; most of which involve; &#8216;sparing loved one&#8217;s from being hurt, ex-communicated, etc.etc&#8217;</p>
<p>Just a little while longer, and the bulging eyed, sociopathic dwarf will just be toast!</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21241</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[remoteviewed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2013 04:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21128&quot;&gt;remoteviewed&lt;/a&gt;.

Jeff,

I agree.

That &quot;resounding success&quot; is typical gov mint work ;)

As &#039;Nam vets I knew would say:

FUBAR]]></description>
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<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>That &#8220;resounding success&#8221; is typical gov mint work 😉</p>
<p>As &#8216;Nam vets I knew would say:</p>
<p>FUBAR</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2013 01:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, 

I&#039;m over the moon with this news about the Corbetts!  See, the truth IS getting out there. LRH said, &quot;Don&#039;t overwhem - penetrate&quot;.  That&#039;s what&#039;s happening!  Thank you thank you Mike! 

And let me suggest workable policy as regard the about the lying, whispering campaigns: &quot;Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never harm me&quot;. 

The Lying Whisperers are themselves highly trapped, frightened beings who are in for a veryrude awakening one day.    And they  may even, some of them,  know the truth,  and yet are following orders just so they can eat and have a bed to sleep in and a roof over their heads whilst they make their plans to get out.  

And the lies they are spreading now will roll off the Corbetts back and become part of the lyers&#039; future in a way that will be very personally damaging to their own beingness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m over the moon with this news about the Corbetts!  See, the truth IS getting out there. LRH said, &#8220;Don&#8217;t overwhem &#8211; penetrate&#8221;.  That&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening!  Thank you thank you Mike! </p>
<p>And let me suggest workable policy as regard the about the lying, whispering campaigns: &#8220;Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never harm me&#8221;. </p>
<p>The Lying Whisperers are themselves highly trapped, frightened beings who are in for a veryrude awakening one day.    And they  may even, some of them,  know the truth,  and yet are following orders just so they can eat and have a bed to sleep in and a roof over their heads whilst they make their plans to get out.  </p>
<p>And the lies they are spreading now will roll off the Corbetts back and become part of the lyers&#8217; future in a way that will be very personally damaging to their own beingness.</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2013 00:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21128&quot;&gt;remoteviewed&lt;/a&gt;.

The whole CST/LRH Libraray thing during Corporate Sort-Out always made me think....Especially the Meade Emory bit. Claims that it was merely a bait-and-switch &quot;shell&quot;, notwithstanding.

And in my raging paranoia, I thought this:

What if LRH really was working for the CIA or the FBI? His job - Founding the first and only government &#039;approved&#039; religion in US history.
What if the whole IRS &#039;battle&#039; was in fact a scam to make the &#039;religious persecution&#039; angle stick. Put on a show. Make it look believable.
What if, after LRH dropped the body, the RCS&#039;s actual handlers finally called in DM and said &quot;OK, good job guys....Now here&#039;s your tax exemption, and here&#039;s your Tax Enforcement Team for every Org.&quot; Of course, that&#039;s what they give the appearence of doing, but that&#039;s not what they actually are.
What better front for illegal/covert activities and running black ops than a mutli-national &quot;religious&quot; organization that can move staff freely from place to place, country to country while avoiding virtually all employment laws and international agreements, all under the umbrella of &quot;religious practices?&quot;
Drugs, guns, slaves (I mean, Sea Org members)...any nubmer of things can be moved about under religious proctections. What government agency has been given the green light to interfere?
And the game was fun while it lasted, but now DM - total nutbag or no - is stuck in a self-destruct sequence, by design or accident, and who can really say which?
Will his handlers care? They&#039;ve made alot of money.
Will they care about Scientologists? Likely not, but then, you can&#039;t get blubber from whale skeletons.
The carcass is damn-near picked clean anyhow.
All that&#039;s left is the real estate.
I think the game has run it&#039;s course, and the first genuine, bonafide Federal &#039;religion&#039; experiment has ended as a resounding success!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21128">remoteviewed</a>.</p>
<p>The whole CST/LRH Libraray thing during Corporate Sort-Out always made me think&#8230;.Especially the Meade Emory bit. Claims that it was merely a bait-and-switch &#8220;shell&#8221;, notwithstanding.</p>
<p>And in my raging paranoia, I thought this:</p>
<p>What if LRH really was working for the CIA or the FBI? His job &#8211; Founding the first and only government &#8216;approved&#8217; religion in US history.<br />
What if the whole IRS &#8216;battle&#8217; was in fact a scam to make the &#8216;religious persecution&#8217; angle stick. Put on a show. Make it look believable.<br />
What if, after LRH dropped the body, the RCS&#8217;s actual handlers finally called in DM and said &#8220;OK, good job guys&#8230;.Now here&#8217;s your tax exemption, and here&#8217;s your Tax Enforcement Team for every Org.&#8221; Of course, that&#8217;s what they give the appearence of doing, but that&#8217;s not what they actually are.<br />
What better front for illegal/covert activities and running black ops than a mutli-national &#8220;religious&#8221; organization that can move staff freely from place to place, country to country while avoiding virtually all employment laws and international agreements, all under the umbrella of &#8220;religious practices?&#8221;<br />
Drugs, guns, slaves (I mean, Sea Org members)&#8230;any nubmer of things can be moved about under religious proctections. What government agency has been given the green light to interfere?<br />
And the game was fun while it lasted, but now DM &#8211; total nutbag or no &#8211; is stuck in a self-destruct sequence, by design or accident, and who can really say which?<br />
Will his handlers care? They&#8217;ve made alot of money.<br />
Will they care about Scientologists? Likely not, but then, you can&#8217;t get blubber from whale skeletons.<br />
The carcass is damn-near picked clean anyhow.<br />
All that&#8217;s left is the real estate.<br />
I think the game has run it&#8217;s course, and the first genuine, bonafide Federal &#8216;religion&#8217; experiment has ended as a resounding success!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2013 00:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21107&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

A big, warm hug to you, BFM, with my hearty ack for what you&#039;ve shared.  We get it, believe me! Peace and love to you.]]></description>
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<p>A big, warm hug to you, BFM, with my hearty ack for what you&#8217;ve shared.  We get it, believe me! Peace and love to you.</p>
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		By: sets guy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-lions-roar-in-south-africa/#comment-21124&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

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<p>🙂</p>
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