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		By: MGVS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MGVS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2023 22:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66682&quot;&gt;Hiatus57&lt;/a&gt;.

Just &quot;23 year&quot;, not &quot;23 year old&quot; - as in she&#039;s been in the Sea Org 23 years. It also says she&#039;s been an FLB exec for 16 years, in case that wasn&#039;t a clue. I know they&#039;re scraping the bottom of the barrel these days, but appointing 7 year olds to exec postings at Flag would be a bit extreme even for the Sea Org!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66682">Hiatus57</a>.</p>
<p>Just &#8220;23 year&#8221;, not &#8220;23 year old&#8221; &#8211; as in she&#8217;s been in the Sea Org 23 years. It also says she&#8217;s been an FLB exec for 16 years, in case that wasn&#8217;t a clue. I know they&#8217;re scraping the bottom of the barrel these days, but appointing 7 year olds to exec postings at Flag would be a bit extreme even for the Sea Org!</p>
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		By: Hiatus57		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hiatus57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[23 year old ED SO veteran eh?

I bet she she ate a lot of rice and beans to get this far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>23 year old ED SO veteran eh?</p>
<p>I bet she she ate a lot of rice and beans to get this far.</p>
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		By: Chuck Beatty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Beatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66427&quot;&gt;lrhbt&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear LRH BT,

I can follow what you&#039;ve written, I&#039;ve spent years in the Sea Org and 10 years out conversing and thinking of these Hubbard laid out logical principles.

To cap the &quot;get tech in&quot; under ethics, fits what Dianetics and Scientology also are fundamentally supposed to accomplish.   The Scientology/Hubbard offering is the tech to make the world better.

Hubbard&#039;s use of Sea Org ethics to get tech in is the temp handling.   

The RPF is an example of supposedly using the tech to get that person&#039;s underlying aberration causing them their outethics.

And finally, most sad and most important, is LRH&#039;s failure to get OT 7 tech successfully used, he failed on his own Solo NOTs application to rid himself of the body thetan(s) troubling him to the end, per Sarge Stephen Pfauth who LRH confided in at the final months of LRH&#039;s life (as told in the final pages of Lawrence Wright&#039;s &quot;Going Clear....&quot; and also more fully detailed in Marty Rathbun&#039;s &quot;Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior&quot; 3rd book, Chapter 24 &quot;Meanwhile Back at the Ranch&quot;.   

LRH admitted he failed to Sarge.  LRH&#039;s OT running program, for which today&#039;s Cause Resurgence Rundown is the human form of this same &quot;OT objective&quot; process, LRH claimed to Sarge that LRH would go out and do the circling of some distant star, and this is an admission that for some reason LRH was incapable of ridding himself of that troublesome body thetan that LRH kept thinking was troubling him, and which LRH failed to exorcise using LRH&#039;s own OT 7 Solo NOTs.

So tech that LRH developed failed LRH, and he said he was going to go circle a star and do the OT running program, to reboost his thetan, and supposedly one can conjecture if this is all true, that he will be picking up, somewhere, trying to perfect his tech so he CAN deal with all these troublesome body thetans that even the great LRH failed to deal with in this last lifetime of his.

That&#039;s the tech failure scene for LRH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66427">lrhbt</a>.</p>
<p>Dear LRH BT,</p>
<p>I can follow what you&#8217;ve written, I&#8217;ve spent years in the Sea Org and 10 years out conversing and thinking of these Hubbard laid out logical principles.</p>
<p>To cap the &#8220;get tech in&#8221; under ethics, fits what Dianetics and Scientology also are fundamentally supposed to accomplish.   The Scientology/Hubbard offering is the tech to make the world better.</p>
<p>Hubbard&#8217;s use of Sea Org ethics to get tech in is the temp handling.   </p>
<p>The RPF is an example of supposedly using the tech to get that person&#8217;s underlying aberration causing them their outethics.</p>
<p>And finally, most sad and most important, is LRH&#8217;s failure to get OT 7 tech successfully used, he failed on his own Solo NOTs application to rid himself of the body thetan(s) troubling him to the end, per Sarge Stephen Pfauth who LRH confided in at the final months of LRH&#8217;s life (as told in the final pages of Lawrence Wright&#8217;s &#8220;Going Clear&#8230;.&#8221; and also more fully detailed in Marty Rathbun&#8217;s &#8220;Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior&#8221; 3rd book, Chapter 24 &#8220;Meanwhile Back at the Ranch&#8221;.   </p>
<p>LRH admitted he failed to Sarge.  LRH&#8217;s OT running program, for which today&#8217;s Cause Resurgence Rundown is the human form of this same &#8220;OT objective&#8221; process, LRH claimed to Sarge that LRH would go out and do the circling of some distant star, and this is an admission that for some reason LRH was incapable of ridding himself of that troublesome body thetan that LRH kept thinking was troubling him, and which LRH failed to exorcise using LRH&#8217;s own OT 7 Solo NOTs.</p>
<p>So tech that LRH developed failed LRH, and he said he was going to go circle a star and do the OT running program, to reboost his thetan, and supposedly one can conjecture if this is all true, that he will be picking up, somewhere, trying to perfect his tech so he CAN deal with all these troublesome body thetans that even the great LRH failed to deal with in this last lifetime of his.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the tech failure scene for LRH.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 04:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66570&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Not my experience. Yes, they did get interfered with, that is the Flag-FOLO-Org &quot;management&quot; system with daily stat phone calls that is laid out in CBO&#039;s and FO&#039;s. But this is not a real why as it assumes the Flag and FOLOs were less trained, less dedicated and less competent than the Class V staff. You seem to have decided those people were all trying to destroy the orgs while the poor staff were trying to make them go. This only works as a hypothesis if you believe LRH was seeking to destroy the orgs with the management system he developed, implemented and policed personally for many, many years. 

The truth is that there has never been any org -- not even St Hill, or DC before it or Phoenix before that where there has been steady expansion. There is something more fundamentally awry than &quot;they have been messed up by the Sea Org.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66570">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Not my experience. Yes, they did get interfered with, that is the Flag-FOLO-Org &#8220;management&#8221; system with daily stat phone calls that is laid out in CBO&#8217;s and FO&#8217;s. But this is not a real why as it assumes the Flag and FOLOs were less trained, less dedicated and less competent than the Class V staff. You seem to have decided those people were all trying to destroy the orgs while the poor staff were trying to make them go. This only works as a hypothesis if you believe LRH was seeking to destroy the orgs with the management system he developed, implemented and policed personally for many, many years. </p>
<p>The truth is that there has never been any org &#8212; not even St Hill, or DC before it or Phoenix before that where there has been steady expansion. There is something more fundamentally awry than &#8220;they have been messed up by the Sea Org.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 04:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66478&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

My point is Mike that if the Class V Orgs in general hadn&#039;t had missions and other interferences arriving from Flag or FOLOs and which usually tore up and de-stabilized the Orgs then they at least had a good chance of booming. Most Class V staff were quite capable and willing to do so. They just got constantly interfered with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66478">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>My point is Mike that if the Class V Orgs in general hadn&#8217;t had missions and other interferences arriving from Flag or FOLOs and which usually tore up and de-stabilized the Orgs then they at least had a good chance of booming. Most Class V staff were quite capable and willing to do so. They just got constantly interfered with.</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok Jenny - I was wondering the &#039;policy&#039; on that.  What does he do put out COB Issues or would he sign off as Estab Exec Int or some such?  
217 Staff at these ratios would be 108.5 Tech, 72.3 Div 6s leaving 36.2 for the rest.  Sheeesh.  Not that LRH had is exact anyway but it was never strickly enforced.  It depended on circumstance and current demand also.  A few rules could be bent in the way of service.  Leaving 36 staff to man Divs 7,1,2,3 and 5 seems off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Jenny &#8211; I was wondering the &#8216;policy&#8217; on that.  What does he do put out COB Issues or would he sign off as Estab Exec Int or some such?<br />
217 Staff at these ratios would be 108.5 Tech, 72.3 Div 6s leaving 36.2 for the rest.  Sheeesh.  Not that LRH had is exact anyway but it was never strickly enforced.  It depended on circumstance and current demand also.  A few rules could be bent in the way of service.  Leaving 36 staff to man Divs 7,1,2,3 and 5 seems off.</p>
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		By: Schlomi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Schlomi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 19:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66456&quot;&gt;Mat Pesch&lt;/a&gt;.

Mat,

That is pretty Spot on! Plain and simple!

Hard not to notice that you have been a Treas Sec, and have been around long enough to know the facts and figures!]]></description>
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<p>Mat,</p>
<p>That is pretty Spot on! Plain and simple!</p>
<p>Hard not to notice that you have been a Treas Sec, and have been around long enough to know the facts and figures!</p>
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		By: Schlomi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Schlomi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 19:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66391&quot;&gt;McCarran&lt;/a&gt;.

The ED Heather Hof (or Wolfe now) joined when she was 14 or 15 years old. She is in fact 38 years old right now. The picture is photoshopped.

Look at that picture: 

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-pac-command-team/

That&#039;s more close to reality, not very pretty anymore...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66391">McCarran</a>.</p>
<p>The ED Heather Hof (or Wolfe now) joined when she was 14 or 15 years old. She is in fact 38 years old right now. The picture is photoshopped.</p>
<p>Look at that picture: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-pac-command-team/" rel="ugc">http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-pac-command-team/</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s more close to reality, not very pretty anymore&#8230;</p>
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		By: Schlomi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Schlomi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66370&quot;&gt;Beryl&lt;/a&gt;.

Foolproof,

Yes, Heather looks nice photoshopped, but look at this picture: 

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-pac-command-team/

She looks like a whitch! therrible hair, horrific make-up and fat.

By the way: The guy in the front-row all the way on the left, is her husband - Mat Wolfe. 

In real life that&#039;s more close to it. Just imagine her getting your ethics in face to face...

I remember her giving briefings as the Snr Dir I&#038;R to the entire Flag Base, that she will get their ethics in. (With a lot of &quot;bass&quot; in her voice and maybe a bit high on testosterone)

A total turn-of to any decent human being...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66370">Beryl</a>.</p>
<p>Foolproof,</p>
<p>Yes, Heather looks nice photoshopped, but look at this picture: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-pac-command-team/" rel="ugc">http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-pac-command-team/</a></p>
<p>She looks like a whitch! therrible hair, horrific make-up and fat.</p>
<p>By the way: The guy in the front-row all the way on the left, is her husband &#8211; Mat Wolfe. </p>
<p>In real life that&#8217;s more close to it. Just imagine her getting your ethics in face to face&#8230;</p>
<p>I remember her giving briefings as the Snr Dir I&amp;R to the entire Flag Base, that she will get their ethics in. (With a lot of &#8220;bass&#8221; in her voice and maybe a bit high on testosterone)</p>
<p>A total turn-of to any decent human being&#8230;</p>
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		By: Zephyr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zephyr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66472&quot;&gt;cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Cindy,
Yeah, I didn&#039;t think the non-SO staff would have been able to just stay as such. Those recruitment cycles must have been overwhelming...weep.
Greta]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-new-sea-org-model-class-v-org/#comment-66472">cindy</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Cindy,<br />
Yeah, I didn&#8217;t think the non-SO staff would have been able to just stay as such. Those recruitment cycles must have been overwhelming&#8230;weep.<br />
Greta</p>
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