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		By: freebeeing		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308561</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 21:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Like gentle oil spread on a raging sea&quot; Since when does an oil slick calm a raging sea? Eco-disaster yes, storm calmer - no.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like gentle oil spread on a raging sea&#8221; Since when does an oil slick calm a raging sea? Eco-disaster yes, storm calmer &#8211; no.</p>
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		By: Isitworthit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 07:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308323&quot;&gt;isitworthit&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine,  thanks so much for that. My family and friends have all said the same. Funny enough my one son calls him a robot. He&#039;s hung on with me for a few years so I think it&#039;s been difficult for him. But yes, I will remove myself.]]></description>
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<p>Aquamarine,  thanks so much for that. My family and friends have all said the same. Funny enough my one son calls him a robot. He&#8217;s hung on with me for a few years so I think it&#8217;s been difficult for him. But yes, I will remove myself.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308444</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 00:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308290&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aqua, to me the &quot;code&quot; is just typical work of a practiced psychopath:  designed to to create an appearance to falsely gain trust, and to manipulate, while preserving if not increasing the perpetrator&#039;s ability and advantage in operating without scruples and even ruthlessly.  

I see it as just another piece in his massive output of disingenuous writing, such as the supposed &quot;cancellation&quot; of the notorious &quot;Fair Game&quot; policy - there&#039;s seeking &quot;to live with the truth&quot; as Hubbard defined it.

Hubbard says nothing that isn&#039;t stolen from sources like the Bible and the Boy Scout Handbook , where it&#039;s said better and more powerfully.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308290">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aqua, to me the &#8220;code&#8221; is just typical work of a practiced psychopath:  designed to to create an appearance to falsely gain trust, and to manipulate, while preserving if not increasing the perpetrator&#8217;s ability and advantage in operating without scruples and even ruthlessly.  </p>
<p>I see it as just another piece in his massive output of disingenuous writing, such as the supposed &#8220;cancellation&#8221; of the notorious &#8220;Fair Game&#8221; policy &#8211; there&#8217;s seeking &#8220;to live with the truth&#8221; as Hubbard defined it.</p>
<p>Hubbard says nothing that isn&#8217;t stolen from sources like the Bible and the Boy Scout Handbook , where it&#8217;s said better and more powerfully.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308323&quot;&gt;isitworthit&lt;/a&gt;.

That would be a laundry list of all the people I know, famous or not famous, who were dumped because they wouldn&#039;t get on board with Scientology.  There are people I personally know and so I&#039;d have to exclude their names.   

Being rejected by a koolaid drinker?  Remember, it happened to Nicole Kidman!  You&#039;re in very good company :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308323">isitworthit</a>.</p>
<p>That would be a laundry list of all the people I know, famous or not famous, who were dumped because they wouldn&#8217;t get on board with Scientology.  There are people I personally know and so I&#8217;d have to exclude their names.   </p>
<p>Being rejected by a koolaid drinker?  Remember, it happened to Nicole Kidman!  You&#8217;re in very good company 🙂</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 20:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308317&quot;&gt;isitworthit&lt;/a&gt;.

isitworthit,

Thanks for answering so candidly.
Understood on all.
I&#039;m glad you&#039;re not supporting him financially.

Now, you said, &quot;I try everything to get him to love me.  EVERYTHING.&quot;

For purposes of this blog, I&#039;m going to respond to you with a little, true story:

Do you know of Nicole Kidman?  I&#039;m sure you do.

An incredibly versatile and gifted actor, charismatic, drop dead beautiful?  Head over heels in love with him?  34 years old?

She had been the wife of Tom Cruise&#039;s  for 10 years.

Dumped.   Without warning.  Merely served with divorce papers one day.

In a Vanity Fair article she described the shock she experienced.  Her shock was so great that she lay on the floor in a fetal position for hours.

Well, she wouldn&#039;t get on board with Scientology, that&#039;s all.  At least, not to the degree that would satisfy David Miscavige, was she on board.  And it was feared that her disinterest was acting to keep HIM away.  They wanted him back, securely in the fold, dependably controllable.   Nicole Kidman had to go.  He got his orders to disconnect.

And he obeyed.

This is TOM CRUISE, now.  Endlessly rich, famous powerful, world by the tail, Tom Cruise!  

He obeyed!  He did what he was told.

He obeyed BECAUSE - notwithstanding his fame, fortune, looks, power and influence, HE IS A ROBOT.

The robot gets his orders and OBEYS.

And for crying out loud, look WHO he dumped!  Using California&#039;s no fault divorce laws because had no grounds. 

 She was in love with him!  AND gorgeous AND young AND talented in her own right AND the loving mother to their adopted children, and, and, and...

No matter!  She would not get on board with Scientology!  Finis!

So, look, here&#039;s the point of this story: a robot is a robot is a ROBOT.  Robots in all shapes, sizes, skin colors, ages, professions and socio-economic groups. A robot can be male or female!  Doesn&#039;t matter.  Someone, or something, CONTROLS a robot.  

He or she may SOUND like he or she is self determined but this is not the case!  

Scientology robots TALK a very good game about being self determined vur DON&#039;T BE FOOLED. THEY ARE NOT!  They are UTTERLY controlled by the cult.  

 They cannot love. They&#039;re not capable of love, as you and I define it.  Any &quot;love&quot; that you get from one of these creatures is worthless, meaningless.  On order they&#039;ll hurt you,  disappoint you, cut connection with you altogether.  On order they&#039;ll do this to EACH OTHER.  And every one of them lives in fear that ONE DAY, someone will do the same thing to THEM!

There&#039;s no love for you to strive for with one of these cult creatures.  And they&#039;re doomed anyway, unless they themselves wake up somehow and recognize that they&#039;ve been trained into being robots and that&#039;s not who they REALLY are.

So I&#039;d suggest that you stop trying to pretzel yourself into being someone that this cult robot will &quot;love&quot;.

I&#039;d suggest that you start liking who you are and believing that other people do too, and that you go and put on some make up and a nice outfilt and go out and do something very nice for yourself and start making plans to dump this sorry creature...excuse me, &quot;withdraw from this relationship&quot; :)

One last thought, and I kid you not:

You could be the most unattractive woman on earth with all kinds of mental and emotional problems; you could be a beachball with arms with  severe halitosis and body odor that no deodorant could handle; you could be an ex-convict from the women&#039;s penitentiary who had sex with her brother as a teenager - you could be all of the above, and, IF YOU WERE OK WITH SCIENTOLOGY AND THE CULT TOLD HIM TO COMMIT TO YOU, HE WOULD.

Because he is a robot, and he does what he is told.  

That is the simplicity of it.

Dry your tears, darling, and here&#039;s a hug :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308317">isitworthit</a>.</p>
<p>isitworthit,</p>
<p>Thanks for answering so candidly.<br />
Understood on all.<br />
I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re not supporting him financially.</p>
<p>Now, you said, &#8220;I try everything to get him to love me.  EVERYTHING.&#8221;</p>
<p>For purposes of this blog, I&#8217;m going to respond to you with a little, true story:</p>
<p>Do you know of Nicole Kidman?  I&#8217;m sure you do.</p>
<p>An incredibly versatile and gifted actor, charismatic, drop dead beautiful?  Head over heels in love with him?  34 years old?</p>
<p>She had been the wife of Tom Cruise&#8217;s  for 10 years.</p>
<p>Dumped.   Without warning.  Merely served with divorce papers one day.</p>
<p>In a Vanity Fair article she described the shock she experienced.  Her shock was so great that she lay on the floor in a fetal position for hours.</p>
<p>Well, she wouldn&#8217;t get on board with Scientology, that&#8217;s all.  At least, not to the degree that would satisfy David Miscavige, was she on board.  And it was feared that her disinterest was acting to keep HIM away.  They wanted him back, securely in the fold, dependably controllable.   Nicole Kidman had to go.  He got his orders to disconnect.</p>
<p>And he obeyed.</p>
<p>This is TOM CRUISE, now.  Endlessly rich, famous powerful, world by the tail, Tom Cruise!  </p>
<p>He obeyed!  He did what he was told.</p>
<p>He obeyed BECAUSE &#8211; notwithstanding his fame, fortune, looks, power and influence, HE IS A ROBOT.</p>
<p>The robot gets his orders and OBEYS.</p>
<p>And for crying out loud, look WHO he dumped!  Using California&#8217;s no fault divorce laws because had no grounds. </p>
<p> She was in love with him!  AND gorgeous AND young AND talented in her own right AND the loving mother to their adopted children, and, and, and&#8230;</p>
<p>No matter!  She would not get on board with Scientology!  Finis!</p>
<p>So, look, here&#8217;s the point of this story: a robot is a robot is a ROBOT.  Robots in all shapes, sizes, skin colors, ages, professions and socio-economic groups. A robot can be male or female!  Doesn&#8217;t matter.  Someone, or something, CONTROLS a robot.  </p>
<p>He or she may SOUND like he or she is self determined but this is not the case!  </p>
<p>Scientology robots TALK a very good game about being self determined vur DON&#8217;T BE FOOLED. THEY ARE NOT!  They are UTTERLY controlled by the cult.  </p>
<p> They cannot love. They&#8217;re not capable of love, as you and I define it.  Any &#8220;love&#8221; that you get from one of these creatures is worthless, meaningless.  On order they&#8217;ll hurt you,  disappoint you, cut connection with you altogether.  On order they&#8217;ll do this to EACH OTHER.  And every one of them lives in fear that ONE DAY, someone will do the same thing to THEM!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no love for you to strive for with one of these cult creatures.  And they&#8217;re doomed anyway, unless they themselves wake up somehow and recognize that they&#8217;ve been trained into being robots and that&#8217;s not who they REALLY are.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d suggest that you stop trying to pretzel yourself into being someone that this cult robot will &#8220;love&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that you start liking who you are and believing that other people do too, and that you go and put on some make up and a nice outfilt and go out and do something very nice for yourself and start making plans to dump this sorry creature&#8230;excuse me, &#8220;withdraw from this relationship&#8221; 🙂</p>
<p>One last thought, and I kid you not:</p>
<p>You could be the most unattractive woman on earth with all kinds of mental and emotional problems; you could be a beachball with arms with  severe halitosis and body odor that no deodorant could handle; you could be an ex-convict from the women&#8217;s penitentiary who had sex with her brother as a teenager &#8211; you could be all of the above, and, IF YOU WERE OK WITH SCIENTOLOGY AND THE CULT TOLD HIM TO COMMIT TO YOU, HE WOULD.</p>
<p>Because he is a robot, and he does what he is told.  </p>
<p>That is the simplicity of it.</p>
<p>Dry your tears, darling, and here&#8217;s a hug 🙂</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308284&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Two separate issues.&quot;  Agreed, Joe, and the two shouldn&#039;t be conflated.  For the record, I also have jmajor fundamental disagreements with the organization he established and how it operates, and am as well extremely turned off by LRH&#039;s  lying and actual behavior in life - it being far afield, so widely at variance with nearly everything he wrote.]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Two separate issues.&#8221;  Agreed, Joe, and the two shouldn&#8217;t be conflated.  For the record, I also have jmajor fundamental disagreements with the organization he established and how it operates, and am as well extremely turned off by LRH&#8217;s  lying and actual behavior in life &#8211; it being far afield, so widely at variance with nearly everything he wrote.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308287&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Aqua  I owe that ability to a long study of the subject of Logic.  Quite ironic that I can credit Hubbard because of a subject he tried to dissuade his followers from studying.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks Aqua  I owe that ability to a long study of the subject of Logic.  Quite ironic that I can credit Hubbard because of a subject he tried to dissuade his followers from studying.</p>
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		By: KatherineINCali		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 08:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308009&quot;&gt;beyondOT&lt;/a&gt;.

Staff are afraid of Mike, Leah and Tony?! Dear Xenu, what babies you all are. 

So much for the non-existent states of “clear” and “OT”. Aren’t you all supposed to be cause over “MEST”? Oops... guess not. Hubbard was a conman if the highest order. The crap he made up is beyond laughable. 

If you’re “beyond” OT, can’t you just “postulate” all the so-called “SP’s” to stop criticizing your cult and exposing all the abuses? Oops...apparently not. 

By the way, exposing the horrid abuses at the hands of $cientology does NOT equal bigotry. Duh. Look up the definition. After all, isn’t having an “MU” embarrassing for you? 

People are free to believe whatever crazy sh*t they want. But when $cientologists are forced to disconnect from their own family members, be subjected to endless fundraising for empty orgs (and often go bankrupt), to have abortions for the “greatest good” (Sea Org women), sent to the RPF, psychically/mentally/sexually abused, fair gamed, forced to write ridiculous KR’s on their own family or anyone else for the slightest little silly thing, etc, etc, etc.... that’s a completely different thing which is absolutely disgusting, cruel and unacceptable. 

Shall we get into Hubbard’s and Miscavige’s illegal acts time and time again? Probably not. You don’t have the courage to face reality. $cientologists love to project and always accuse others of what they themselves are doing. 

I hope you wake up one day. You’re in for a rude awakening — and then some. 

The docu-series, $cientology and The Aftermath ran for 3 seasons, was nominated for 2 Emmys, and won 1 Emmy. How ya like them apples?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308009">beyondOT</a>.</p>
<p>Staff are afraid of Mike, Leah and Tony?! Dear Xenu, what babies you all are. </p>
<p>So much for the non-existent states of “clear” and “OT”. Aren’t you all supposed to be cause over “MEST”? Oops&#8230; guess not. Hubbard was a conman if the highest order. The crap he made up is beyond laughable. </p>
<p>If you’re “beyond” OT, can’t you just “postulate” all the so-called “SP’s” to stop criticizing your cult and exposing all the abuses? Oops&#8230;apparently not. </p>
<p>By the way, exposing the horrid abuses at the hands of $cientology does NOT equal bigotry. Duh. Look up the definition. After all, isn’t having an “MU” embarrassing for you? </p>
<p>People are free to believe whatever crazy sh*t they want. But when $cientologists are forced to disconnect from their own family members, be subjected to endless fundraising for empty orgs (and often go bankrupt), to have abortions for the “greatest good” (Sea Org women), sent to the RPF, psychically/mentally/sexually abused, fair gamed, forced to write ridiculous KR’s on their own family or anyone else for the slightest little silly thing, etc, etc, etc&#8230;. that’s a completely different thing which is absolutely disgusting, cruel and unacceptable. </p>
<p>Shall we get into Hubbard’s and Miscavige’s illegal acts time and time again? Probably not. You don’t have the courage to face reality. $cientologists love to project and always accuse others of what they themselves are doing. </p>
<p>I hope you wake up one day. You’re in for a rude awakening — and then some. </p>
<p>The docu-series, $cientology and The Aftermath ran for 3 seasons, was nominated for 2 Emmys, and won 1 Emmy. How ya like them apples?</p>
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		By: isitworthit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 08:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308296&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m interested in &#039;there&#039;s a lot more I can tell you&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308296">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in &#8216;there&#8217;s a lot more I can tell you&#8217;.</p>
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		By: isitworthit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-non-religious-moral-code/#comment-308296&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

To answer your question, we are not officially together.  I try EVERYTHING to get him to love me. EVERYTHING. So yes, God help me, I love him.  My son says that he&#039;s &#039;culted&#039; me. Not with Scientology but with tactics I suppose. 
I try leave and that is wrong. I try stay and that is wrong. I try be soft, needy, strong, hard ..... all not good enough. I suppose I wont&#039; be able to win with the church as the third party. 
In his defense I am not the one with money. He has been very good to me financially but there is no emotion. No &#039;i love you&#039;, etc and we&#039;ve been together a number of years. So i can only deduce that he can&#039;t commit to me 100% because I&#039;m not with the church.  Also he has been out of ethics a few times and been drilled and drilled and been exhausted and possibly it&#039;s because of me. He denies this of course. They never talk about me apparently!

Just want to say thanks so much for this blog. I think I would have disintegrated without all this information. Makes me realise I&#039;m not that crazy!]]></description>
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<p>To answer your question, we are not officially together.  I try EVERYTHING to get him to love me. EVERYTHING. So yes, God help me, I love him.  My son says that he&#8217;s &#8216;culted&#8217; me. Not with Scientology but with tactics I suppose.<br />
I try leave and that is wrong. I try stay and that is wrong. I try be soft, needy, strong, hard &#8230;.. all not good enough. I suppose I wont&#8217; be able to win with the church as the third party.<br />
In his defense I am not the one with money. He has been very good to me financially but there is no emotion. No &#8216;i love you&#8217;, etc and we&#8217;ve been together a number of years. So i can only deduce that he can&#8217;t commit to me 100% because I&#8217;m not with the church.  Also he has been out of ethics a few times and been drilled and drilled and been exhausted and possibly it&#8217;s because of me. He denies this of course. They never talk about me apparently!</p>
<p>Just want to say thanks so much for this blog. I think I would have disintegrated without all this information. Makes me realise I&#8217;m not that crazy!</p>
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