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		By: Kurt Hubbard-Beale		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162868&quot;&gt;Gene Trujillo&lt;/a&gt;.

Extremely well said <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f44d.png" alt="👍" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f64f.png" alt="🙏" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f60e.png" alt="😎" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162868">Gene Trujillo</a>.</p>
<p>Extremely well said 👍 🙏 😎</p>
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		By: Chris Thompson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2020 14:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162868&quot;&gt;Gene Trujillo&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Gene! . . . You&#039;ve captured the inconsistency of Hubbard when you wrote, &quot;. . . , you stomp out abuse, are tolerant, . . .&quot;  You see?  This perfectly captures the problem with creating the perfect egalitarian society.  Every philosopher has fought with this one.  Carried to its limit, I do not know how it can be solved using humans.  Hubbard&#039;s solution was to make that perfect society using &quot;Clears.&quot;  But only ants, bees, and other hive societies have accomplished this and individually, their members seem to be ego-less.  &quot;Clearing&quot; seems not to decrease ego, but rather to increase it.  Love your thoughts and posts... ~Chris Thompson]]></description>
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<p>Hi Gene! . . . You&#8217;ve captured the inconsistency of Hubbard when you wrote, &#8220;. . . , you stomp out abuse, are tolerant, . . .&#8221;  You see?  This perfectly captures the problem with creating the perfect egalitarian society.  Every philosopher has fought with this one.  Carried to its limit, I do not know how it can be solved using humans.  Hubbard&#8217;s solution was to make that perfect society using &#8220;Clears.&#8221;  But only ants, bees, and other hive societies have accomplished this and individually, their members seem to be ego-less.  &#8220;Clearing&#8221; seems not to decrease ego, but rather to increase it.  Love your thoughts and posts&#8230; ~Chris Thompson</p>
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		By: Rheva Bittelman Acevedo		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-204744</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2017 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162762&quot;&gt;Terra Cognita&lt;/a&gt;.

He sat at the feet of the master and learned well.]]></description>
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<p>He sat at the feet of the master and learned well.</p>
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		By: Rheva Bittelman Acevedo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2017 17:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162868&quot;&gt;Gene Trujillo&lt;/a&gt;.

He knew our strengths and weaknesses (he was C/S&#039;ing our folders for a while).  He knew about control.  He knew who was more easily controlled and used it.  He knew who could stand up and fight and intimidate...and he used them, too.  He wasn&#039;t interested in eliminating abuse.  Abuse was his power.  Same with DM.  And aboard the ship, many of us aped his tactics....the contagion of aberration, indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162868">Gene Trujillo</a>.</p>
<p>He knew our strengths and weaknesses (he was C/S&#8217;ing our folders for a while).  He knew about control.  He knew who was more easily controlled and used it.  He knew who could stand up and fight and intimidate&#8230;and he used them, too.  He wasn&#8217;t interested in eliminating abuse.  Abuse was his power.  Same with DM.  And aboard the ship, many of us aped his tactics&#8230;.the contagion of aberration, indeed.</p>
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		By: Rheva Bittelman Acevedo		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-204742</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rheva Bittelman Acevedo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2017 17:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162934&quot;&gt;Jen&lt;/a&gt;.

Love your &#039;dentally challenged&#039;, Jen. 

LRH parlayed himself into SOURCE.  SOURCE (a.k.a. &#039;god&#039;) proved over and over and over that he knew best.  And SOURCE&#039;S wrath was mighty!  You DID NOT want to stand before the &#039;almighty&#039; and receive his fury.  

When I was attempting to run his household unit, I didn&#039;t see SOURCE (&#039;god&#039;), I saw a man.  A man with a LOT of physical and emotional issues.  That&#039;s when I knew he was a fake and my idol worship of him was just wrong.

He led using fear which is the way despots rule.  DM is merely aping him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162934">Jen</a>.</p>
<p>Love your &#8216;dentally challenged&#8217;, Jen. </p>
<p>LRH parlayed himself into SOURCE.  SOURCE (a.k.a. &#8216;god&#8217;) proved over and over and over that he knew best.  And SOURCE&#8217;S wrath was mighty!  You DID NOT want to stand before the &#8216;almighty&#8217; and receive his fury.  </p>
<p>When I was attempting to run his household unit, I didn&#8217;t see SOURCE (&#8216;god&#8217;), I saw a man.  A man with a LOT of physical and emotional issues.  That&#8217;s when I knew he was a fake and my idol worship of him was just wrong.</p>
<p>He led using fear which is the way despots rule.  DM is merely aping him.</p>
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		By: Gene Trujillo		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-163835</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Trujillo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2017 20:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162716&quot;&gt;clearlypissedoff&lt;/a&gt;.

The Flag library had a copy of most if not all books that Hubbard mentioned, including &quot;The Four Seasons of Manuela&quot;. I somehow managed to read it even while already studying day and night. Not sure how. I think I read one of the Crowley books too. I thought &quot;Manuela&quot; was a really well written and engaging book, very well worth seeking out.

Trivia: the Flag Librarian was one of Lisa McPherson&#039;s watchers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162716">clearlypissedoff</a>.</p>
<p>The Flag library had a copy of most if not all books that Hubbard mentioned, including &#8220;The Four Seasons of Manuela&#8221;. I somehow managed to read it even while already studying day and night. Not sure how. I think I read one of the Crowley books too. I thought &#8220;Manuela&#8221; was a really well written and engaging book, very well worth seeking out.</p>
<p>Trivia: the Flag Librarian was one of Lisa McPherson&#8217;s watchers.</p>
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		By: Gene Trujillo		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-163664</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Trujillo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 18:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162726&quot;&gt;Harpoona Frittata&lt;/a&gt;.

Responsibility of Leaders is a type of writing called &quot;Mirrors for Princes&quot;. Famous examples are 
Machiavelli&#039;s &quot;The Prince&quot; and Xenophon&#039;s &quot;Cyropaedia&quot; about the education of Cyrus the Great of Persia. They purport to teach how to obtain and use power in ruling. 

Machiavelli was the very picture of an uncaring sociopathic ruler. In particular he was fond of the idea that &quot;the end justifies the means&quot;, which also permeates CofS. His amoral pursuit of power as it&#039;s own end seems to have influenced Hubbard and DM. 

I used to think that &quot;the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics&quot; was actually not a bad way to evaluate things, but that easily becomes &quot;the greatest good for the greatest number of the leader&#039;s dynamics&quot; which in turn easily becomes &quot;the end justifies the means&quot;, especially in the hands of sociopaths.

For instance, in CofS it is considered the &quot;greatest good&quot; to force women to have abortions they don&#039;t want so that the leader can avoid paying childcare costs, when the actual &quot;greatest good&quot; would be a solution that allowed production AND good care babies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162726">Harpoona Frittata</a>.</p>
<p>Responsibility of Leaders is a type of writing called &#8220;Mirrors for Princes&#8221;. Famous examples are<br />
Machiavelli&#8217;s &#8220;The Prince&#8221; and Xenophon&#8217;s &#8220;Cyropaedia&#8221; about the education of Cyrus the Great of Persia. They purport to teach how to obtain and use power in ruling. </p>
<p>Machiavelli was the very picture of an uncaring sociopathic ruler. In particular he was fond of the idea that &#8220;the end justifies the means&#8221;, which also permeates CofS. His amoral pursuit of power as it&#8217;s own end seems to have influenced Hubbard and DM. </p>
<p>I used to think that &#8220;the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics&#8221; was actually not a bad way to evaluate things, but that easily becomes &#8220;the greatest good for the greatest number of the leader&#8217;s dynamics&#8221; which in turn easily becomes &#8220;the end justifies the means&#8221;, especially in the hands of sociopaths.</p>
<p>For instance, in CofS it is considered the &#8220;greatest good&#8221; to force women to have abortions they don&#8217;t want so that the leader can avoid paying childcare costs, when the actual &#8220;greatest good&#8221; would be a solution that allowed production AND good care babies.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2017 15:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162883&quot;&gt;marildi&lt;/a&gt;.

Marlidli, I knew an auditor at AO who audited GO. She told me one of their pcs confessed to this crime. 

Of course this is not proof. But it is one more piece of circumstantial eveidence that supports that Scientology is a thug organization. 

I was very close to someone who was a public pc, whose folders were sent to the GO for CSing. She was run on processes to drive her insane.

Later in years her brother in law, who was an auditor got her folders to do an action, we were out of the church at that time so we were not afraid of retribution. 

This guy showed me her folders with GO writings and CSing. This auditor told me she was run on reverse processes to drive her insane.

Paulette Cooper said that when she was super depressed a mole Scientologist, working for Ron, took her up to the roof and Paulette says she really felt this guy wanted tear to jump.

I will not be surprised if one day we find out that there has been a Scientology killing. 

Because Ron teaches his thugs to do criminal activity and do not bother him, it may not have been known or ordered by Execs.

Ron advised murder and assault and battery to be committed to protect the &quot;Skipper&quot;. He advised also to commit these acts and do not tell him.

It is very reasonable to conclude that some poor mindless cul zombie did just that.

BTW, LRH never qualified this doctrine by saying please do not kill or assault, this is just an analogy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162883">marildi</a>.</p>
<p>Marlidli, I knew an auditor at AO who audited GO. She told me one of their pcs confessed to this crime. </p>
<p>Of course this is not proof. But it is one more piece of circumstantial eveidence that supports that Scientology is a thug organization. </p>
<p>I was very close to someone who was a public pc, whose folders were sent to the GO for CSing. She was run on processes to drive her insane.</p>
<p>Later in years her brother in law, who was an auditor got her folders to do an action, we were out of the church at that time so we were not afraid of retribution. </p>
<p>This guy showed me her folders with GO writings and CSing. This auditor told me she was run on reverse processes to drive her insane.</p>
<p>Paulette Cooper said that when she was super depressed a mole Scientologist, working for Ron, took her up to the roof and Paulette says she really felt this guy wanted tear to jump.</p>
<p>I will not be surprised if one day we find out that there has been a Scientology killing. </p>
<p>Because Ron teaches his thugs to do criminal activity and do not bother him, it may not have been known or ordered by Execs.</p>
<p>Ron advised murder and assault and battery to be committed to protect the &#8220;Skipper&#8221;. He advised also to commit these acts and do not tell him.</p>
<p>It is very reasonable to conclude that some poor mindless cul zombie did just that.</p>
<p>BTW, LRH never qualified this doctrine by saying please do not kill or assault, this is just an analogy.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2017 06:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162862&quot;&gt;ThetanicVersus&lt;/a&gt;.

The altruistic impulses of the individuals attracted are slowly bent towards believing that the organization (and its leader) are the only hope, and need to be protected at all costs; and that any means are justified to protect the organization (and its leader), and to further their plans and goals.  So as the process of indoctrination and though reform proceeds, in a gradual way that the individual doesn&#039;t recognize, they will come to believe that the altruistic goal requires them to do the sort of things in The Responsibility of Leaders as necessary.  

If you could get an individual to really step back and look at the contradiction that has arisen they might recognize it.  But when they are in the midst of it they lack that perspective, and various techniques including those that discourage or punish critical though, pressure cooker working environments and lack of sleep, serve to help prevent anyone from really reflecting on what they are doing.

Several books on the general subject provide of high control groups and cults, undue influence and thought control, contain a more detailed and in depth explanation of this process and the dynamics involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162862">ThetanicVersus</a>.</p>
<p>The altruistic impulses of the individuals attracted are slowly bent towards believing that the organization (and its leader) are the only hope, and need to be protected at all costs; and that any means are justified to protect the organization (and its leader), and to further their plans and goals.  So as the process of indoctrination and though reform proceeds, in a gradual way that the individual doesn&#8217;t recognize, they will come to believe that the altruistic goal requires them to do the sort of things in The Responsibility of Leaders as necessary.  </p>
<p>If you could get an individual to really step back and look at the contradiction that has arisen they might recognize it.  But when they are in the midst of it they lack that perspective, and various techniques including those that discourage or punish critical though, pressure cooker working environments and lack of sleep, serve to help prevent anyone from really reflecting on what they are doing.</p>
<p>Several books on the general subject provide of high control groups and cults, undue influence and thought control, contain a more detailed and in depth explanation of this process and the dynamics involved.</p>
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		By: Gene Trujillo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2017 20:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162862&quot;&gt;ThetanicVersus&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;If the recruiting pitch for the Sea Org is, help us clear the planet/ save the planet, help us help people, then one would think the appeal is to those with altruistic values. Yet everything in this document (“Responsibility of Leaders”) is the opposite of altruism.&quot;

Much of CofS IS an appeal to the altruistic. It appears that the real reason for that however is because, being altruistic, they can easily be taken advantage of. The person at the top doesn&#039;t even have to think about their well-being and can take all the money and not have to share.

CofS appears designed to attract &quot;do gooders&quot;, then entrap and enslave them and turn them into people who will do the most revolting and cold hearted things without even blinking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-responsibility-of-leaders/#comment-162862">ThetanicVersus</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the recruiting pitch for the Sea Org is, help us clear the planet/ save the planet, help us help people, then one would think the appeal is to those with altruistic values. Yet everything in this document (“Responsibility of Leaders”) is the opposite of altruism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Much of CofS IS an appeal to the altruistic. It appears that the real reason for that however is because, being altruistic, they can easily be taken advantage of. The person at the top doesn&#8217;t even have to think about their well-being and can take all the money and not have to share.</p>
<p>CofS appears designed to attract &#8220;do gooders&#8221;, then entrap and enslave them and turn them into people who will do the most revolting and cold hearted things without even blinking.</p>
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