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		By: Martin Ottmann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2022 17:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-rpf-insider-part-1/#comment-485949&quot;&gt;Jacob&lt;/a&gt;.

Laurisse was Uwe&#039;s wife.

Here is a very detailed blog post by Uwe&#039;s brother from 2008:

https://anonforgreatjustice.blogspot.com/2008/12/markus-stuckenbrock-just-exactly-how.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-rpf-insider-part-1/#comment-485949">Jacob</a>.</p>
<p>Laurisse was Uwe&#8217;s wife.</p>
<p>Here is a very detailed blog post by Uwe&#8217;s brother from 2008:</p>
<p><a href="https://anonforgreatjustice.blogspot.com/2008/12/markus-stuckenbrock-just-exactly-how.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://anonforgreatjustice.blogspot.com/2008/12/markus-stuckenbrock-just-exactly-how.html</a></p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2022 18:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see &quot;Uwe Stuckenbrock&quot; listed as being in the RPF—anyone know of a relation between that person and Miscavige’s communicator Laurisse Stuckenbrock?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see &#8220;Uwe Stuckenbrock&#8221; listed as being in the RPF—anyone know of a relation between that person and Miscavige’s communicator Laurisse Stuckenbrock?</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2022 11:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Around 1983ish, in the elevator at Main Building of the complex, the ASI staff who then lived on the 4th or 5th floor for their berthing (years later I &quot;moved up&quot; to ASI myself and lived caty corner to Miscavige&#039;s berthing room and right next to Starkey&#039;s room on that floor), but I foolishly stepped into the elevator, when Starkey, Wilhere, Lyman, Marty, Tony D&#039;Urso and Miscavige all were already into the elevator.   Greg, who I&#039;d been a junior to Greg when Greg was a boss over the OEC/FEBC course room (Int Training Org which Greg CSWed to LRH to make it&#039;s own org, LRH approved and LRH sent over 20 advices to Greg when Greg was the first CO ITO in 1979), tried to hand wave me to not step into the elevator.

It was a tense moment, I thought these top of the totem pole people, Miscavige I remember from CMO CW and he&#039;s now boss of ASI, but he is unusually short, and Greg, Marty, Lyman, Greg and Starkey were all a foot or more taller than Miscavige, who they gave room.

I had to uncomfortably step carefully to avoid towering over Miscavige in the elvator.

Anyways, don&#039;t get into an elevator with him, I now understood why.

Those directly around him had to play subservient and worried sweaty foreheads, all the time, that he&#039;d erupt on them.

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At ASI when I got there, ten years later (May 1992 I became ASI staff long after Miscavige had left to head fully RTC which I think he left in 1989 or 1988 to be full time boss of RTC, taking Lyman, Greg, Marty all the top ASI people with him to RTC, leaving only Starkey and Maria and the nuts and bolts lower ASI staffers at ASI) , Markus Wuetrich tried to give me an example of how Miscavige was intolerant about things not done to his liking.

Markus told about how Miscavige ripped out some computer gear from the then upper floor conference room, which he didn&#039;t like.  He just ripped it out of its socket and threw the monitor across the room.  

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Years later my twin on the RPF told me about being throttled one on one by Miscavige, and my twin could have pulverized Miscavige had he wanted to fight back though.   So people had to really reel in any counter revenge physically if Miscavige did come at you.

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The Jesse Prince episode to me, epitomizes why Miscavige was so wrong to be such a violent leader.   What can happen is your underlings just might not reel in their counter revenge on you if you go violent on them, and it could have movement history changing consequences.  Luckily Jesse thought better of shooting Miscavige and the others, when Jesse was holding the sub machine gun given to him as a present from Hubbard himself.

There&#039;s really need to cover the violence chapter in Scientology, and all I learned about the details, it&#039;s all on Hubbard, and really because Scientology is a joke and not a religion, but a &quot;show&quot; (as in &quot;keep the show on the road&quot; type of faux religion pseudo-therapy/exorcism con, worse than the Chiropractic businesses), and Hubbard is the one who bolsters this violent internal edge that exists and will always exist in the rules Hubbard left for staffs.

&quot;Knowledge Reports&quot; policy has the &quot;black eye&quot; justified violence to be issued to other staff who are so bad and &quot;sticking pins&quot; in their fellow staff.   LRH says in &quot;Knowledge Reports&quot; that other staff who witness a bad staffer &quot;sticking pins&quot; in other staff are &quot;in ethics&quot; if they give that bad staff a &quot;black eye.&quot;

Scientology&#039;s irreligious violence is baked into it by Hubbard.

Miscavige is the one extreme leader who prominently saw fit to execute that Hubbard orthodox irreligious option.  

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The Hubbard advice to CO CMO Int/Spcl Pjt Ops (Yager/Miscavige) to &quot;....spit on WDC SMI for me....&quot; is the worst, it floored me when I learned Miscavige literally did spit on John Aczel who was then WDC SMI, and on Roger Barnes also, Roger was CO SMI.

The violence is LRH.

Miscavige is low enough humanly to execute it.  

Miscavige in the 2000s got alot of others to play along and execute that &quot;Knowledge Reports&quot; violence edge too though.

It&#039;s a disgraceful irreligious &quot;orthodox&quot; LRH option that is reason alone to never be in Scientology, period.  

LRH has left that stain in the movement for future fanatics like Miscavige to employ it in &quot;Keeping Scientology Working&quot; style.

It&#039;s the worst predicament of all future members.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around 1983ish, in the elevator at Main Building of the complex, the ASI staff who then lived on the 4th or 5th floor for their berthing (years later I &#8220;moved up&#8221; to ASI myself and lived caty corner to Miscavige&#8217;s berthing room and right next to Starkey&#8217;s room on that floor), but I foolishly stepped into the elevator, when Starkey, Wilhere, Lyman, Marty, Tony D&#8217;Urso and Miscavige all were already into the elevator.   Greg, who I&#8217;d been a junior to Greg when Greg was a boss over the OEC/FEBC course room (Int Training Org which Greg CSWed to LRH to make it&#8217;s own org, LRH approved and LRH sent over 20 advices to Greg when Greg was the first CO ITO in 1979), tried to hand wave me to not step into the elevator.</p>
<p>It was a tense moment, I thought these top of the totem pole people, Miscavige I remember from CMO CW and he&#8217;s now boss of ASI, but he is unusually short, and Greg, Marty, Lyman, Greg and Starkey were all a foot or more taller than Miscavige, who they gave room.</p>
<p>I had to uncomfortably step carefully to avoid towering over Miscavige in the elvator.</p>
<p>Anyways, don&#8217;t get into an elevator with him, I now understood why.</p>
<p>Those directly around him had to play subservient and worried sweaty foreheads, all the time, that he&#8217;d erupt on them.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>At ASI when I got there, ten years later (May 1992 I became ASI staff long after Miscavige had left to head fully RTC which I think he left in 1989 or 1988 to be full time boss of RTC, taking Lyman, Greg, Marty all the top ASI people with him to RTC, leaving only Starkey and Maria and the nuts and bolts lower ASI staffers at ASI) , Markus Wuetrich tried to give me an example of how Miscavige was intolerant about things not done to his liking.</p>
<p>Markus told about how Miscavige ripped out some computer gear from the then upper floor conference room, which he didn&#8217;t like.  He just ripped it out of its socket and threw the monitor across the room.  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Years later my twin on the RPF told me about being throttled one on one by Miscavige, and my twin could have pulverized Miscavige had he wanted to fight back though.   So people had to really reel in any counter revenge physically if Miscavige did come at you.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>The Jesse Prince episode to me, epitomizes why Miscavige was so wrong to be such a violent leader.   What can happen is your underlings just might not reel in their counter revenge on you if you go violent on them, and it could have movement history changing consequences.  Luckily Jesse thought better of shooting Miscavige and the others, when Jesse was holding the sub machine gun given to him as a present from Hubbard himself.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s really need to cover the violence chapter in Scientology, and all I learned about the details, it&#8217;s all on Hubbard, and really because Scientology is a joke and not a religion, but a &#8220;show&#8221; (as in &#8220;keep the show on the road&#8221; type of faux religion pseudo-therapy/exorcism con, worse than the Chiropractic businesses), and Hubbard is the one who bolsters this violent internal edge that exists and will always exist in the rules Hubbard left for staffs.</p>
<p>&#8220;Knowledge Reports&#8221; policy has the &#8220;black eye&#8221; justified violence to be issued to other staff who are so bad and &#8220;sticking pins&#8221; in their fellow staff.   LRH says in &#8220;Knowledge Reports&#8221; that other staff who witness a bad staffer &#8220;sticking pins&#8221; in other staff are &#8220;in ethics&#8221; if they give that bad staff a &#8220;black eye.&#8221;</p>
<p>Scientology&#8217;s irreligious violence is baked into it by Hubbard.</p>
<p>Miscavige is the one extreme leader who prominently saw fit to execute that Hubbard orthodox irreligious option.  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>The Hubbard advice to CO CMO Int/Spcl Pjt Ops (Yager/Miscavige) to &#8220;&#8230;.spit on WDC SMI for me&#8230;.&#8221; is the worst, it floored me when I learned Miscavige literally did spit on John Aczel who was then WDC SMI, and on Roger Barnes also, Roger was CO SMI.</p>
<p>The violence is LRH.</p>
<p>Miscavige is low enough humanly to execute it.  </p>
<p>Miscavige in the 2000s got alot of others to play along and execute that &#8220;Knowledge Reports&#8221; violence edge too though.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a disgraceful irreligious &#8220;orthodox&#8221; LRH option that is reason alone to never be in Scientology, period.  </p>
<p>LRH has left that stain in the movement for future fanatics like Miscavige to employ it in &#8220;Keeping Scientology Working&#8221; style.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the worst predicament of all future members.</p>
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		By: Gus Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 21:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, I knew a number of those people.  Funny how some of them eventually got out and became big shills for the cult, like Ken Hoden.  I remember him from back when I was in Portland in the early 80&#039;s.  Then there&#039;s David Howson, who went on to make his own &quot;business consulting&quot; service based on clam management &quot;tech.&quot;  

I noticed a lot of French names in the list.  I wonder what was up with that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I knew a number of those people.  Funny how some of them eventually got out and became big shills for the cult, like Ken Hoden.  I remember him from back when I was in Portland in the early 80&#8217;s.  Then there&#8217;s David Howson, who went on to make his own &#8220;business consulting&#8221; service based on clam management &#8220;tech.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I noticed a lot of French names in the list.  I wonder what was up with that?</p>
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		By: Christi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-rpf-insider-part-1/#comment-485674&quot;&gt;Mary Kahn&lt;/a&gt;.

The current language is, &quot;The RPF does not exist&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-rpf-insider-part-1/#comment-485674">Mary Kahn</a>.</p>
<p>The current language is, &#8220;The RPF does not exist&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Mat Pesch		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 11:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On the bright side, if not for the insanity of Miscavige, hundreds of &quot;true believers&quot; never would have found their way out of the cult.  If everyone has a purpose in this world, maybe that is his.  I have a lot of friends at Flag and knowing Miscavige is now living there gives me more hope that they will find their way out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the bright side, if not for the insanity of Miscavige, hundreds of &#8220;true believers&#8221; never would have found their way out of the cult.  If everyone has a purpose in this world, maybe that is his.  I have a lot of friends at Flag and knowing Miscavige is now living there gives me more hope that they will find their way out.</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 11:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NOTHING TRUMPETS AND CELEBRATES AND GUARANTEES ETERNAL SPIRITUAL FREEDOM LIKE SCIENTOLOGY...
Thuggery, stalking, libel, harassment, forced abortions, murder, bank fraud, credit card fraud, human trafficking, child abuse and molestation, slave labor, torture...
Ah, The Glory! The Perfection! The Uninterrupted Ferocity and Tone 40 Venality of Decades of Organized, International Criminal Activity!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOTHING TRUMPETS AND CELEBRATES AND GUARANTEES ETERNAL SPIRITUAL FREEDOM LIKE SCIENTOLOGY&#8230;<br />
Thuggery, stalking, libel, harassment, forced abortions, murder, bank fraud, credit card fraud, human trafficking, child abuse and molestation, slave labor, torture&#8230;<br />
Ah, The Glory! The Perfection! The Uninterrupted Ferocity and Tone 40 Venality of Decades of Organized, International Criminal Activity!</p>
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		By: Eyes wide		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 09:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-rpf-insider-part-1/#comment-485661&quot;&gt;safetyguy&lt;/a&gt;.

In Australia, volunteers are considered “workers” and as such are still covered under the work health and safety Acts and Regulations so if anything similar occurred in Australia they would be covered. Just not familiar with US OH&#038;S.

Something else to consider, if an Australian was working in a CoS in Australia and was sent overseas to “work” they could potentially fall under Australian laws. I have seen official tax payment forms of persons paid by CoS whilst working in US but still notes their address as back in Australia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-rpf-insider-part-1/#comment-485661">safetyguy</a>.</p>
<p>In Australia, volunteers are considered “workers” and as such are still covered under the work health and safety Acts and Regulations so if anything similar occurred in Australia they would be covered. Just not familiar with US OH&amp;S.</p>
<p>Something else to consider, if an Australian was working in a CoS in Australia and was sent overseas to “work” they could potentially fall under Australian laws. I have seen official tax payment forms of persons paid by CoS whilst working in US but still notes their address as back in Australia.</p>
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		By: unelectedfloofgoofer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 07:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This makes me think Miscavige is some kind of devil. 
I&#039;m almost surprised that after all these years no one has &quot;snapped&quot; at his abuses, and thrown a pie in his face. I guess that&#039;s why he pays for top-class security.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me think Miscavige is some kind of devil.<br />
I&#8217;m almost surprised that after all these years no one has &#8220;snapped&#8221; at his abuses, and thrown a pie in his face. I guess that&#8217;s why he pays for top-class security.</p>
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		By: Real		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 03:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would NEVER go on the RPF.  Once some idiot in Dept. 3 s threatened with it and I said try it and I leave.  That stopped it in its tracks as there was never enough S.O. members because recruitment of public was almost impossible..  Unbelievable that people put up with it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would NEVER go on the RPF.  Once some idiot in Dept. 3 s threatened with it and I said try it and I leave.  That stopped it in its tracks as there was never enough S.O. members because recruitment of public was almost impossible..  Unbelievable that people put up with it</p>
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