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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2020 04:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-322392&quot;&gt;Jane Doe 2&lt;/a&gt;.

And quite possibly to avoid being declared and expelled for something trivial, as she actually has probably seen is all too common.  While Hubbard initially talked about 2.5% of the population being suppressive, he made later references to 17.5% or higher, which seem more in line with current Scientology practices.

From all accounts it&#039;s pretty clear that anyone involved in Scientology today, must have observed for themselves that being declared SP happens fairly often.  Though reportedly formal, posted declarations have become rare, while members know to abide by and enforce the new de facto system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-322392">Jane Doe 2</a>.</p>
<p>And quite possibly to avoid being declared and expelled for something trivial, as she actually has probably seen is all too common.  While Hubbard initially talked about 2.5% of the population being suppressive, he made later references to 17.5% or higher, which seem more in line with current Scientology practices.</p>
<p>From all accounts it&#8217;s pretty clear that anyone involved in Scientology today, must have observed for themselves that being declared SP happens fairly often.  Though reportedly formal, posted declarations have become rare, while members know to abide by and enforce the new de facto system.</p>
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		By: Jane Doe 2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe 2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 04:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-322360&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Bingo.  She is probably posting here as part of an &quot;amends&quot; project to avoid being declared herself.]]></description>
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<p>Bingo.  She is probably posting here as part of an &#8220;amends&#8221; project to avoid being declared herself.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 00:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-322308&quot;&gt;Emily Tychsen&lt;/a&gt;.

Aren&#039;t SP declares actually quite common - speaking of delusion - and often ordered for trivial reasons, such as someone refusing to stop having even minimal social contact with a family member or good friend who has been declared?  There are many, many stories confirming that, including here, Tony Ortega&#039;s blog, the two Ex Scientologist Message Boards, and even a whole website dedicated to stopping the abuse:

http://stopscientologydisconnection.com/disconnection-stories/

In addition, it&#039;s been determined from Scientology&#039;s own published lists, that of the 50 key staffers at the famous Saint Hill center in England in its heyday, 38 have been declared, for a rate of 76%:

http://www.scientology-cult.com/old-st-hill.html

In another list, an executive directive of 1992, the Church&#039;s &quot;International Justice Chief&quot; lists over 400 groups and over 2,300 individuals considered to be Suppressive:

http://www.xenu.net/archive/enemy_names/enemy_list.html

For a group that&#039;s never been able to demonstrate that it has more than about 20,000 members - a figure fitting with the relatively small size of even its largest international gatherings, and the accounts former insiders with access to organizational information - that&#039;s also a very high rate overall, and if it has increased at the same pace as it did between 1950 and 1992, the list would be over 4,000 nowadays.

Are you by any chance posting here as part of an &quot;amends&quot; project to avoid being declared suppressive yourself?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-322308">Emily Tychsen</a>.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t SP declares actually quite common &#8211; speaking of delusion &#8211; and often ordered for trivial reasons, such as someone refusing to stop having even minimal social contact with a family member or good friend who has been declared?  There are many, many stories confirming that, including here, Tony Ortega&#8217;s blog, the two Ex Scientologist Message Boards, and even a whole website dedicated to stopping the abuse:</p>
<p><a href="http://stopscientologydisconnection.com/disconnection-stories/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://stopscientologydisconnection.com/disconnection-stories/</a></p>
<p>In addition, it&#8217;s been determined from Scientology&#8217;s own published lists, that of the 50 key staffers at the famous Saint Hill center in England in its heyday, 38 have been declared, for a rate of 76%:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientology-cult.com/old-st-hill.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scientology-cult.com/old-st-hill.html</a></p>
<p>In another list, an executive directive of 1992, the Church&#8217;s &#8220;International Justice Chief&#8221; lists over 400 groups and over 2,300 individuals considered to be Suppressive:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.xenu.net/archive/enemy_names/enemy_list.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.xenu.net/archive/enemy_names/enemy_list.html</a></p>
<p>For a group that&#8217;s never been able to demonstrate that it has more than about 20,000 members &#8211; a figure fitting with the relatively small size of even its largest international gatherings, and the accounts former insiders with access to organizational information &#8211; that&#8217;s also a very high rate overall, and if it has increased at the same pace as it did between 1950 and 1992, the list would be over 4,000 nowadays.</p>
<p>Are you by any chance posting here as part of an &#8220;amends&#8221; project to avoid being declared suppressive yourself?</p>
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		By: Emily Tychsen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2020 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To be declared a Suppressive Person is extremely rare and results in expulsion from the Scientology religion. This occurs in instances of serious offenses against the Scientology faith and can also occur when an individual is found to be actively working to suppress the well-being of others. This can be done through criminal acts already recognized by society as unlawful or through the commitment of acts deemed Suppressive Acts in the Scientology Justice Codes—which includes the Suppressive Act of publicly renouncing the faith, an act which in Scientology, as well as almost every religion, is grounds for automatic expulsion. When someone has been expelled from the religion, that person loses both his or her fellowship with the Church as well as with other Scientologists. The condition lasts until they have been restored to good standing. Once the person has been restored to good standing, the prohibition against fellowship with other Scientologists is lifted. Similar practices have been part of religious communities for thousands of years and have been recognized by courts of law as a fundamental right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be declared a Suppressive Person is extremely rare and results in expulsion from the Scientology religion. This occurs in instances of serious offenses against the Scientology faith and can also occur when an individual is found to be actively working to suppress the well-being of others. This can be done through criminal acts already recognized by society as unlawful or through the commitment of acts deemed Suppressive Acts in the Scientology Justice Codes—which includes the Suppressive Act of publicly renouncing the faith, an act which in Scientology, as well as almost every religion, is grounds for automatic expulsion. When someone has been expelled from the religion, that person loses both his or her fellowship with the Church as well as with other Scientologists. The condition lasts until they have been restored to good standing. Once the person has been restored to good standing, the prohibition against fellowship with other Scientologists is lifted. Similar practices have been part of religious communities for thousands of years and have been recognized by courts of law as a fundamental right.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2019 13:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-295985&quot;&gt;WINNING_ON_ALL_DYNAMICS&lt;/a&gt;.

You realize WOAD, that we see you like a cat sees a mouse, or how an ex addict sees addicts.

You will also serve UTR people as an illustration of the dangers of Scientology.

But in your hypnotic state, you fantasize that you are saving the planet. 

Here, writing words with your keyboard, being nasty to people who see you as you actually are, you think is fighting cosmic enemies. 

Your mental state can even make the leap that you are a Loyal Officer and we the enemy of mankind. 

Your arrogance, that is trained into you, won’t let you see how foolish you sound. 

But Scientology “knowingness” does make circus clowns. 

Your presence, as long as you don’t side with pedophiles like FP, will be instructive.

I think you should explain to us what you do everyday to save the planet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-295985">WINNING_ON_ALL_DYNAMICS</a>.</p>
<p>You realize WOAD, that we see you like a cat sees a mouse, or how an ex addict sees addicts.</p>
<p>You will also serve UTR people as an illustration of the dangers of Scientology.</p>
<p>But in your hypnotic state, you fantasize that you are saving the planet. </p>
<p>Here, writing words with your keyboard, being nasty to people who see you as you actually are, you think is fighting cosmic enemies. </p>
<p>Your mental state can even make the leap that you are a Loyal Officer and we the enemy of mankind. </p>
<p>Your arrogance, that is trained into you, won’t let you see how foolish you sound. </p>
<p>But Scientology “knowingness” does make circus clowns. </p>
<p>Your presence, as long as you don’t side with pedophiles like FP, will be instructive.</p>
<p>I think you should explain to us what you do everyday to save the planet.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2019 13:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-296030&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I think it’s a brand new nasty sleep walker]]></description>
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<p>I think it’s a brand new nasty sleep walker</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2019 13:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-296163&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

The guy is such a bullshit artist that even Hubbard would be proud of him!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-296163">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>The guy is such a bullshit artist that even Hubbard would be proud of him!</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2019 13:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-295798&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

Penner is obviously looking for attention by posing with his rubber ducky. He also mentions doing TRs for 10 hours a day, an heroic act by any scientologist&#039;s standards. Some people just gotta get attention  - lol]]></description>
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<p>Penner is obviously looking for attention by posing with his rubber ducky. He also mentions doing TRs for 10 hours a day, an heroic act by any scientologist&#8217;s standards. Some people just gotta get attention  &#8211; lol</p>
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		By: BKmole		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BKmole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2019 09:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-295983&quot;&gt;WINNING_ON_ALL_DYNAMICS&lt;/a&gt;.

WOAD, for the record, Big beings such as Cruz and Miscavige cannot keep a real successful marriage going. With all his money and fame Cruz cannot create a (2nd Dynamic). I seem to remember Hubbard saying that all the dynamics are connected and that one “out dynamic” will affect all the dynamics. Cruz’s box office “stats” mean nothing as far as what kind of person he is. What about his reputation. Not so good with public anymore. And seems he is not talking about Scientology these days. Why would that be?]]></description>
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<p>WOAD, for the record, Big beings such as Cruz and Miscavige cannot keep a real successful marriage going. With all his money and fame Cruz cannot create a (2nd Dynamic). I seem to remember Hubbard saying that all the dynamics are connected and that one “out dynamic” will affect all the dynamics. Cruz’s box office “stats” mean nothing as far as what kind of person he is. What about his reputation. Not so good with public anymore. And seems he is not talking about Scientology these days. Why would that be?</p>
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		By: Susan Santilena		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Santilena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2019 03:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-295650&quot;&gt;WINNING_ON_ALL_DYNAMICS&lt;/a&gt;.

Big Beings with Big a&#039;Brains, righhht...<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f644.png" alt="🙄" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f611.png" alt="😑" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-sad-delusion-scientology-breeds/#comment-295650">WINNING_ON_ALL_DYNAMICS</a>.</p>
<p>Big Beings with Big a&#8217;Brains, righhht&#8230;🙄😑</p>
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