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		By: Brian		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27991</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 21:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27568&quot;&gt;Ron&lt;/a&gt;.

If the tech works &quot;Ron says&quot; it is because truth was found and applied. But we are not talking about those elements in Scientology, truths of life which no man is author of,  that help people. We are talking about the darker side of Ron&#039;s world view.

That view which considered itself above the laws of decency (&quot;we are not moralists) to accomplish Ron&#039;s stated purpose, in writing, of planetary take over-demonization of opposition-and personal destruction of anyone disagreeing with Ron.

 It is that fatal denial, of holding and honoring higher standards of decency that is now &quot;the source&quot; of this mess. It is the teaching of elitist authoritarianism and tyranical dealings with dissent that society at large so easily can see.

But if a person has been trained to denounce dissent and criticism then the enemy will always be dissenters and those who have the right and courage to step up and speak for the common good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27568">Ron</a>.</p>
<p>If the tech works &#8220;Ron says&#8221; it is because truth was found and applied. But we are not talking about those elements in Scientology, truths of life which no man is author of,  that help people. We are talking about the darker side of Ron&#8217;s world view.</p>
<p>That view which considered itself above the laws of decency (&#8220;we are not moralists) to accomplish Ron&#8217;s stated purpose, in writing, of planetary take over-demonization of opposition-and personal destruction of anyone disagreeing with Ron.</p>
<p> It is that fatal denial, of holding and honoring higher standards of decency that is now &#8220;the source&#8221; of this mess. It is the teaching of elitist authoritarianism and tyranical dealings with dissent that society at large so easily can see.</p>
<p>But if a person has been trained to denounce dissent and criticism then the enemy will always be dissenters and those who have the right and courage to step up and speak for the common good.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 03:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27235&quot;&gt;Margaret&lt;/a&gt;.

If you think that Christ wanted to kill people by swords and that was his teaching than the discussion is hopless Margaret.

Ron actually orchestrated violence and create a paramilitary organization to perpetrate vilolence. That was his intention. 

The GO was not a misinterpretation of Ron. People killing in the name of Christ was.

Big difference Margaret]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27235">Margaret</a>.</p>
<p>If you think that Christ wanted to kill people by swords and that was his teaching than the discussion is hopless Margaret.</p>
<p>Ron actually orchestrated violence and create a paramilitary organization to perpetrate vilolence. That was his intention. </p>
<p>The GO was not a misinterpretation of Ron. People killing in the name of Christ was.</p>
<p>Big difference Margaret</p>
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		By: Ron		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27569</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2013 20:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27218&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

+1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27218">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>+1</p>
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		By: Ron		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27568</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2013 20:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27225&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

Paraphrasing isn&#039;t helpful.
The tech STILL works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27225">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>Paraphrasing isn&#8217;t helpful.<br />
The tech STILL works.</p>
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		By: Espiritu		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27466</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2013 08:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Philip. 
I have always decided what is true and what is false based upon my own observation...not based upon what Ron says. Not based upon what you say. Not based upon what Mike, Marty, or anyone else says. However, I do observe and I do listen with the intention of finding out what is true for me.
I hope that you can find a way to START making &quot;progress on understanding LRH&quot; soon, but unfortunately I pick up that you are not very interested in that. 
As with delving into any subject it requires honest interest and a willingness to understand without pre-conceptions or prejudice. I hope that you can find a way to examine some of the philosophy and practices of Scientology for the purpose of finding out whether or not they might be useful to YOU. Possibly you will find that they are helpful to you personally in your life. Or possibly not. But at least you will have then taken an honest look.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Philip.<br />
I have always decided what is true and what is false based upon my own observation&#8230;not based upon what Ron says. Not based upon what you say. Not based upon what Mike, Marty, or anyone else says. However, I do observe and I do listen with the intention of finding out what is true for me.<br />
I hope that you can find a way to START making &#8220;progress on understanding LRH&#8221; soon, but unfortunately I pick up that you are not very interested in that.<br />
As with delving into any subject it requires honest interest and a willingness to understand without pre-conceptions or prejudice. I hope that you can find a way to examine some of the philosophy and practices of Scientology for the purpose of finding out whether or not they might be useful to YOU. Possibly you will find that they are helpful to you personally in your life. Or possibly not. But at least you will have then taken an honest look.</p>
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		By: Margaret		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2013 08:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27253&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

Brian,
The point is that Jesus&#039; own words and actions were (and still can be) used to justify the atrocities. So is Jesus to blame?  Was Jesus the Satan on Earth that you seem to think LRH was? One man&#039;s mean streak (Jesus&#039;) gets a pass, but Hubbard&#039;s gets a condemnation?  You might want to self-inspect the very obvious double standard that keeps popping up in your comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27253">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>Brian,<br />
The point is that Jesus&#8217; own words and actions were (and still can be) used to justify the atrocities. So is Jesus to blame?  Was Jesus the Satan on Earth that you seem to think LRH was? One man&#8217;s mean streak (Jesus&#8217;) gets a pass, but Hubbard&#8217;s gets a condemnation?  You might want to self-inspect the very obvious double standard that keeps popping up in your comments.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27424</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2013 03:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All I ever wanted to do in Scn is audit people and get up both sides of the bridge, to relieve suffering and makes spiritual gains.  Never in a million years would I ever condone this weird man wasting the time of so many decent SO staff, recording all his stupid words and orders.  What a wanker.  Such a waste of so much talent, that would have been better spent actually applying Scn, to benefit someone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I ever wanted to do in Scn is audit people and get up both sides of the bridge, to relieve suffering and makes spiritual gains.  Never in a million years would I ever condone this weird man wasting the time of so many decent SO staff, recording all his stupid words and orders.  What a wanker.  Such a waste of so much talent, that would have been better spent actually applying Scn, to benefit someone.</p>
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		By: Flexible Flyer		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27363</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flexible Flyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2013 22:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my opinion some of the 60s generation, Scientologists, many countercultures, Jonestowners found out (the Christians knew this): Upotia was not possible in this world on a large scale. Seeking to establish utopia produces totalitarian domination. 

The idea of god worship (anything but a human) was a good idea (even if not logically sound and has room for argument beyond the scope of this comment) because worship of a man or a fixed idea (or identity) can result in a deindividuation of people. Once dehumanized Our Glorious Leader can get people to exploit and abuse each other.  

This was why Christianity survived thousands of bloody years. Yes it set itself up as royalty, and sometimes tyranny, but it set God above the Kings of the world (OTs, those of great influence, make your own phrase). The church provided a moral compass because those with power, wealth and influence have no morality, only ethics. The money-power addict often ignored it; hence, welcome to Earth.  

Hubbard said the subject was workable and it was; it was never perfect. The problem with him was that he was elevated to unquestioned human god by his sycophants. It then affected the enfant terrible. And after seeing these affidavits has possibly regressed into the terrible threes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion some of the 60s generation, Scientologists, many countercultures, Jonestowners found out (the Christians knew this): Upotia was not possible in this world on a large scale. Seeking to establish utopia produces totalitarian domination. </p>
<p>The idea of god worship (anything but a human) was a good idea (even if not logically sound and has room for argument beyond the scope of this comment) because worship of a man or a fixed idea (or identity) can result in a deindividuation of people. Once dehumanized Our Glorious Leader can get people to exploit and abuse each other.  </p>
<p>This was why Christianity survived thousands of bloody years. Yes it set itself up as royalty, and sometimes tyranny, but it set God above the Kings of the world (OTs, those of great influence, make your own phrase). The church provided a moral compass because those with power, wealth and influence have no morality, only ethics. The money-power addict often ignored it; hence, welcome to Earth.  </p>
<p>Hubbard said the subject was workable and it was; it was never perfect. The problem with him was that he was elevated to unquestioned human god by his sycophants. It then affected the enfant terrible. And after seeing these affidavits has possibly regressed into the terrible threes.</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27357</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[remoteviewed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27348&quot;&gt;remoteviewed&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually Marg&#039;s response beats mine as being more concise and precise than mine.

So I have no upset with being &quot;moderated&quot; ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27348">remoteviewed</a>.</p>
<p>Actually Marg&#8217;s response beats mine as being more concise and precise than mine.</p>
<p>So I have no upset with being &#8220;moderated&#8221; 😉</p>
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		By: remoteviewed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2013 19:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27240&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;I have deleted this along with several other posts about this subject of LRH&#039;s life as it is off topic and probably deserves its own blog.

As I responded to this subject earlier -- neither the Hubbard was a God nor the Hubbard was a Monster camps are right. But I do not want to turn this blog into a debate about this issue. 

Just so you know you are not being discriminated against and to inform others whose posts have been &quot;moderated&quot; (?) into the ether. Don&#039;t bother putting a lot of time and effort into this subject right now.
&lt;/em&gt;

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-texas-showdown/#comment-27240">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p><em>I have deleted this along with several other posts about this subject of LRH&#8217;s life as it is off topic and probably deserves its own blog.</p>
<p>As I responded to this subject earlier &#8212; neither the Hubbard was a God nor the Hubbard was a Monster camps are right. But I do not want to turn this blog into a debate about this issue. </p>
<p>Just so you know you are not being discriminated against and to inform others whose posts have been &#8220;moderated&#8221; (?) into the ether. Don&#8217;t bother putting a lot of time and effort into this subject right now.<br />
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<p>Mike</p>
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