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		By: Fred G. Haseney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred G. Haseney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-567128&quot;&gt;Sac&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Sac, for clearing that up.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks, Sac, for clearing that up.</p>
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		By: Sac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2024 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-514023&quot;&gt;Fred Haseney&lt;/a&gt;.

They are father and 3 sons that the father successfully brainwashed into Scientology years ago]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-514023">Fred Haseney</a>.</p>
<p>They are father and 3 sons that the father successfully brainwashed into Scientology years ago</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2023 01:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is this just me or does this Joe Cecela look incredibly smug in this staff recruit PR photo?  So smug that his expression borders on contempt?  To me, his whole stance is contemptuous. Smirking, looking down. Bully for you, Joe; you joined staff.  La di  da and lets see how long you last.   And yes, I know these new staff recruits  are TOLD how to pose,  the crossed arms, etc., the &quot;The Tone 40, the &quot;I have total certainty on what I&#039;m doing and I don&#039;t adjust my beingness to my environment I adjust my environment to me&quot; persona, etc. Yeah, yeah,  I get it.    Still, just from this picture alone I would not choose him as my auditor. This may be unfair; he may be a very good auditor and a very nice person and posing as instructed.   This snottiness may be what the Sea Org wants  a staff person to project in these recruitment pieces but IMO it is quite out-PR expression for an auditor. Ok, I got that off my chest, thank you, end of inconsequential rant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this just me or does this Joe Cecela look incredibly smug in this staff recruit PR photo?  So smug that his expression borders on contempt?  To me, his whole stance is contemptuous. Smirking, looking down. Bully for you, Joe; you joined staff.  La di  da and lets see how long you last.   And yes, I know these new staff recruits  are TOLD how to pose,  the crossed arms, etc., the &#8220;The Tone 40, the &#8220;I have total certainty on what I&#8217;m doing and I don&#8217;t adjust my beingness to my environment I adjust my environment to me&#8221; persona, etc. Yeah, yeah,  I get it.    Still, just from this picture alone I would not choose him as my auditor. This may be unfair; he may be a very good auditor and a very nice person and posing as instructed.   This snottiness may be what the Sea Org wants  a staff person to project in these recruitment pieces but IMO it is quite out-PR expression for an auditor. Ok, I got that off my chest, thank you, end of inconsequential rant.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-514132</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2023 20:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-514119&quot;&gt;DesS&lt;/a&gt;.

The Wikileaks needs an exact type of search line, to get into the bulk of the Scientology materials there, and then you go through the list, and get the &quot;fake&quot; red volume that was put together decades ago, which has all the upper confidential Scientology materials.

Here&#039;s the search line, to begin doing the above:

https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Index_Online_Research_Materials_-_Dianetics_and_Scientology_Advanced_Level_Services

There is a mammoth amount of material.

To narrow it down, you just have to stumble through this yourself, and trial and error get to the stuff you wish.

Remember, the actual procedures are probably still NOT in the above link.   YOu might have to simply email with some ex OT 5 Scientologist, or an ex Class 9 auditor.   The Class 9 auditor in Scientology does the long arduous exorcism of others.   

Then also, best to just chat with any ex OT 7 (new OT 7) Scientologist, and they can give you the simply exorcism commands for OT 7 latest and greatest Scientology exorcism.

You can also probably get on other chat sites, and ask there, if there&#039;s an ex OT 7 willing to give you the OT 7 exorcism commands used by them.   

it&#039;s all bogus though, this is all imaginary crap, all this exorcism is still imagination exorcism, not really real.  

Human mind is quite suggestable to believe that souls infest us, and that exorcism is possible and effective.   It&#039;s all in your head man.   Meaning your imagination since our imagination is quite powerful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-514119">DesS</a>.</p>
<p>The Wikileaks needs an exact type of search line, to get into the bulk of the Scientology materials there, and then you go through the list, and get the &#8220;fake&#8221; red volume that was put together decades ago, which has all the upper confidential Scientology materials.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the search line, to begin doing the above:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Index_Online_Research_Materials_-_Dianetics_and_Scientology_Advanced_Level_Services" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Index_Online_Research_Materials_-_Dianetics_and_Scientology_Advanced_Level_Services</a></p>
<p>There is a mammoth amount of material.</p>
<p>To narrow it down, you just have to stumble through this yourself, and trial and error get to the stuff you wish.</p>
<p>Remember, the actual procedures are probably still NOT in the above link.   YOu might have to simply email with some ex OT 5 Scientologist, or an ex Class 9 auditor.   The Class 9 auditor in Scientology does the long arduous exorcism of others.   </p>
<p>Then also, best to just chat with any ex OT 7 (new OT 7) Scientologist, and they can give you the simply exorcism commands for OT 7 latest and greatest Scientology exorcism.</p>
<p>You can also probably get on other chat sites, and ask there, if there&#8217;s an ex OT 7 willing to give you the OT 7 exorcism commands used by them.   </p>
<p>it&#8217;s all bogus though, this is all imaginary crap, all this exorcism is still imagination exorcism, not really real.  </p>
<p>Human mind is quite suggestable to believe that souls infest us, and that exorcism is possible and effective.   It&#8217;s all in your head man.   Meaning your imagination since our imagination is quite powerful.</p>
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		By: DesS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2023 18:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-514054&quot;&gt;xTeamXenu75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the reply, the OT levels do not seem to be on wikileaks, I searched. I was talking to Rich - the man in the video a couple of years ago and he was telling me that he was into scientology but left after it was taken over in the early 1970s.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks for the reply, the OT levels do not seem to be on wikileaks, I searched. I was talking to Rich &#8211; the man in the video a couple of years ago and he was telling me that he was into scientology but left after it was taken over in the early 1970s.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2023 00:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-514013&quot;&gt;DesS&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m pretty sure this is non standard per Hubbard&#039;s rules, but in general, the guy is doing a decent show and tell, showing the meter/needle, and because he&#039;s talking out loud, you hear what he&#039;s &quot;saying.&quot;  

Normally on OT 3 and 6 and 7, the exorcism is done silently.  

But for demonstration purposes, he&#039;s stream of consciousness explaining his thinking out loud, for this demonstration.

He&#039;s a splinter exorcist doing things which are Hubbard Scientology related, but Scientology&#039;s got way way way more detailed and regimented procedures, which he&#039;s slopping all over the place, but, he&#039;s having fun, or seems to be.

On the internet, on Wikileaks, is the Scientology confidential exorcism materials, and what I found &quot;helpful&quot; is to read the &quot;NOTs Repair List&quot; which a Scientologist Class 9 auditor will read out, and try to find out the problem.   That NOTs Repair List, is kind of some of the steps this guy is just doing all on his own, doing his own poking around finding entities in himself.

So overall, yes, I&#039;d say it loosely is like finding the body-thetans infesting oneself, but doing it loosely, freely asking oneself stuff to drudge up entities or body-thetans, and trying to get them to vamoose.

But I&#039;m pretty sure this isn&#039;t &quot;standard&quot; Scientology exorcism steps of OT 3 or OT 7.  

but is this kind of like Scientology exorcism, it kind of is.  

(Him asking himself &quot;Why am I fucked up?&quot; and variations of that, that is a self listing question, and per Hubbard&#039;s rules, he&#039;s not doing &quot;listing&quot; procedure &quot;standardly&quot; and again, he&#039;s just loosely doing &quot;listing&quot; and &quot;entity&quot; finding, simultaneously, LOL.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-514013">DesS</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure this is non standard per Hubbard&#8217;s rules, but in general, the guy is doing a decent show and tell, showing the meter/needle, and because he&#8217;s talking out loud, you hear what he&#8217;s &#8220;saying.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Normally on OT 3 and 6 and 7, the exorcism is done silently.  </p>
<p>But for demonstration purposes, he&#8217;s stream of consciousness explaining his thinking out loud, for this demonstration.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a splinter exorcist doing things which are Hubbard Scientology related, but Scientology&#8217;s got way way way more detailed and regimented procedures, which he&#8217;s slopping all over the place, but, he&#8217;s having fun, or seems to be.</p>
<p>On the internet, on Wikileaks, is the Scientology confidential exorcism materials, and what I found &#8220;helpful&#8221; is to read the &#8220;NOTs Repair List&#8221; which a Scientologist Class 9 auditor will read out, and try to find out the problem.   That NOTs Repair List, is kind of some of the steps this guy is just doing all on his own, doing his own poking around finding entities in himself.</p>
<p>So overall, yes, I&#8217;d say it loosely is like finding the body-thetans infesting oneself, but doing it loosely, freely asking oneself stuff to drudge up entities or body-thetans, and trying to get them to vamoose.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m pretty sure this isn&#8217;t &#8220;standard&#8221; Scientology exorcism steps of OT 3 or OT 7.  </p>
<p>but is this kind of like Scientology exorcism, it kind of is.  </p>
<p>(Him asking himself &#8220;Why am I fucked up?&#8221; and variations of that, that is a self listing question, and per Hubbard&#8217;s rules, he&#8217;s not doing &#8220;listing&#8221; procedure &#8220;standardly&#8221; and again, he&#8217;s just loosely doing &#8220;listing&#8221; and &#8220;entity&#8221; finding, simultaneously, LOL.)</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-514048</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 23:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-513954&quot;&gt;GL&lt;/a&gt;.

Nah, it was nothing like that.]]></description>
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<p>Nah, it was nothing like that.</p>
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		By: Realistic		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 19:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-513970&quot;&gt;Geoff Levin&lt;/a&gt;.

thanks for the comment. at least someone is listening, and not just talk down about the cult, just trying to help it die quicker.  the auditor in the interview seems very like, using the arc triangle, she really sounds convinced, and convincing like a very sane person, her convictions are high. its amazing to read Tony&#039;s article on the conversation. The illusion can be so real for them. This will be a hard nut to crack if the whales feel the way same she does, and donate millions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-513970">Geoff Levin</a>.</p>
<p>thanks for the comment. at least someone is listening, and not just talk down about the cult, just trying to help it die quicker.  the auditor in the interview seems very like, using the arc triangle, she really sounds convinced, and convincing like a very sane person, her convictions are high. its amazing to read Tony&#8217;s article on the conversation. The illusion can be so real for them. This will be a hard nut to crack if the whales feel the way same she does, and donate millions.</p>
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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Pendleton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having been in the &quot;Tech&quot; side of Scientology for almost 35 years and now out for many, it still kinda stuns me how absolutely stupid/unknowing Scientologists are. Hey Joe, even if all of what LRH said was true, how the HELL do you think Scn can possibly have an impact on Chicago as far as numbers go charging the amount of money it does? Even if it was worth it, and we know now that a lot of it isn&#039;t, only a very small fraction of the people on Earth could afford much of Scientology. Do none of you see this? Are you all so stupidly blind? (already answered really)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been in the &#8220;Tech&#8221; side of Scientology for almost 35 years and now out for many, it still kinda stuns me how absolutely stupid/unknowing Scientologists are. Hey Joe, even if all of what LRH said was true, how the HELL do you think Scn can possibly have an impact on Chicago as far as numbers go charging the amount of money it does? Even if it was worth it, and we know now that a lot of it isn&#8217;t, only a very small fraction of the people on Earth could afford much of Scientology. Do none of you see this? Are you all so stupidly blind? (already answered really)</p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Haseney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 13:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-513969&quot;&gt;Geoff Levin&lt;/a&gt;.

My pleasure, Geoff.

Re: an ad for the Chicago &quot;Ideal&quot; Org that Mike Rinder published on August 13, 2022 for an edition of &quot;Thursday Funnies.&quot;

For my comment that day, I responded to that ad, which included a picture of &quot;Nick Cecala&quot; and his success story, of sorts, for joining staff at that org.

In hindsight, I now believe that Joe/Joey/Salvatore AND Nick may all be the same person.

Talk about having multiple valences/identities/personalities!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/this-is-what-scientologists-really-believe/#comment-513969">Geoff Levin</a>.</p>
<p>My pleasure, Geoff.</p>
<p>Re: an ad for the Chicago &#8220;Ideal&#8221; Org that Mike Rinder published on August 13, 2022 for an edition of &#8220;Thursday Funnies.&#8221;</p>
<p>For my comment that day, I responded to that ad, which included a picture of &#8220;Nick Cecala&#8221; and his success story, of sorts, for joining staff at that org.</p>
<p>In hindsight, I now believe that Joe/Joey/Salvatore AND Nick may all be the same person.</p>
<p>Talk about having multiple valences/identities/personalities!</p>
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