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		By: Lili R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lili R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2022 22:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-3/#comment-458742&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m gonna go out on a limb here Jere Lull and hazard a guess that you worked for a Scientologist-run business. Where &quot;making you wrong and me right, even if it bites me in the shorts,&quot; is the correct answer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-3/#comment-458742">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna go out on a limb here Jere Lull and hazard a guess that you worked for a Scientologist-run business. Where &#8220;making you wrong and me right, even if it bites me in the shorts,&#8221; is the correct answer.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2022 19:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Student guide to Acceptable Behavior&quot;:
  Like every 
other high-control group Ive encountered, you didn&#039;t get to know the rules until AFTER you&#039;d violated them.  The reason seemed to be that we SHOULD have known not to do that because  — just because. At the first place I was fired from, I was on my first vacation in 8 years there, calling in to see if there were any problems I could help with. I wasn&#039;t to appear on company property again; they&#039;d send my things, desk contents, etc. to me.  It seems the reason I was fired was because I dared to schedule, and take, my &quot;annual&quot;2-weeks&#039; vacation. The owner wanted me in the office , just in case, as usual.(Oh, and I&#039;d delivered an improvement that the users asked me for my first week on staff.) CAN&#039;T do THAT: deliver an improvement without charging heavily for it!  I found out later that the only thing they could do for the next 5 or so years was convert customers off of our system to our competitors&#039;. The company&#039;s still limping along, I saw when I idly google them, but NOT advertising the software I&#039;d been hired to keep up and improve.  heir loss.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Student guide to Acceptable Behavior&#8221;:<br />
  Like every<br />
other high-control group Ive encountered, you didn&#8217;t get to know the rules until AFTER you&#8217;d violated them.  The reason seemed to be that we SHOULD have known not to do that because  — just because. At the first place I was fired from, I was on my first vacation in 8 years there, calling in to see if there were any problems I could help with. I wasn&#8217;t to appear on company property again; they&#8217;d send my things, desk contents, etc. to me.  It seems the reason I was fired was because I dared to schedule, and take, my &#8220;annual&#8221;2-weeks&#8217; vacation. The owner wanted me in the office , just in case, as usual.(Oh, and I&#8217;d delivered an improvement that the users asked me for my first week on staff.) CAN&#8217;T do THAT: deliver an improvement without charging heavily for it!  I found out later that the only thing they could do for the next 5 or so years was convert customers off of our system to our competitors&#8217;. The company&#8217;s still limping along, I saw when I idly google them, but NOT advertising the software I&#8217;d been hired to keep up and improve.  heir loss.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-3/#comment-458738</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2022 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-3/#comment-458538&quot;&gt;xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Right Chuck.  scn&#039;s &#039;ethics&#039; is so backwards that it&#039;s illegal to tell the TRUTH about scientology&#039;s various compounded scams.  AND if you&#039;re accused of some offense, you&#039;re GUILTY, with no ability to prove your innocence. &#039;Ethics&#039; is just like being sent to the principal&#039;s office in school:  BOY, are you in for it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-3/#comment-458538">xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty</a>.</p>
<p>Right Chuck.  scn&#8217;s &#8216;ethics&#8217; is so backwards that it&#8217;s illegal to tell the TRUTH about scientology&#8217;s various compounded scams.  AND if you&#8217;re accused of some offense, you&#8217;re GUILTY, with no ability to prove your innocence. &#8216;Ethics&#8217; is just like being sent to the principal&#8217;s office in school:  BOY, are you in for it!</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/through-the-bubble-lilis-adventures-in-scientologyland-part-3/#comment-458737</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2022 18:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My first encounter with &quot;ethics&quot; was as a result of being less than a minute &quot;late&quot; for course in my first week of the Pro TRs.  Never mind that my car blew an oil line on the trip in and I&#039;d performed a minor miracle with no tools to get there at all. For the next indefinite period of time, I was to show up on time for course to perform &#039;amends&#039;.  I STILL wouldn&#039;t getting ANY coursework done, but that wasn&#039;t  important, I guess.  I ALMOST said &quot;stick it&quot; and stayed home to do my college homework instead. What might have happened had I concentrated on a real engineering education instead of Tubby&#039;s quackery can&#039;t be known, but it MIGHT have save me a decade of self-denial, no romance and penury culminating in being thrown off the Flag campus as not even capable of being a proper RPFer and much deep depression.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first encounter with &#8220;ethics&#8221; was as a result of being less than a minute &#8220;late&#8221; for course in my first week of the Pro TRs.  Never mind that my car blew an oil line on the trip in and I&#8217;d performed a minor miracle with no tools to get there at all. For the next indefinite period of time, I was to show up on time for course to perform &#8216;amends&#8217;.  I STILL wouldn&#8217;t getting ANY coursework done, but that wasn&#8217;t  important, I guess.  I ALMOST said &#8220;stick it&#8221; and stayed home to do my college homework instead. What might have happened had I concentrated on a real engineering education instead of Tubby&#8217;s quackery can&#8217;t be known, but it MIGHT have save me a decade of self-denial, no romance and penury culminating in being thrown off the Flag campus as not even capable of being a proper RPFer and much deep depression.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2022 18:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I got a couple of LOLs. I like this one:

&quot;The following evening, I showed up to do battle between proper Confront and irrational bodily twitches.&quot;

I always liked it when my auditors weren&#039;t paying attention and had irrational bodily twitches. It made them seem more &quot;human&quot;. (just joking) Apparently DM wants auditors to be rather robotic these days.

At the scn mission where I started out the Ethics Officer had a big ass poster on the wall behind her desk and chair saying,

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN CONDITION

No sense going into her office whining with any petty complaints. Other than that she was a very nice person.

The ultimate R-Factor (Reality Factor) behind always being on time presented in scn is &quot;Either you control time or it controls you&quot; which makes sense if you want to be a hardass about it. haha]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a couple of LOLs. I like this one:</p>
<p>&#8220;The following evening, I showed up to do battle between proper Confront and irrational bodily twitches.&#8221;</p>
<p>I always liked it when my auditors weren&#8217;t paying attention and had irrational bodily twitches. It made them seem more &#8220;human&#8221;. (just joking) Apparently DM wants auditors to be rather robotic these days.</p>
<p>At the scn mission where I started out the Ethics Officer had a big ass poster on the wall behind her desk and chair saying,</p>
<p>YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN CONDITION</p>
<p>No sense going into her office whining with any petty complaints. Other than that she was a very nice person.</p>
<p>The ultimate R-Factor (Reality Factor) behind always being on time presented in scn is &#8220;Either you control time or it controls you&#8221; which makes sense if you want to be a hardass about it. haha</p>
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		By: PlanetshipT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PlanetshipT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Lili.  I&#039;m very much enjoying both the content and style of your writing.  Please keep it coming!  :)

As an outsider Ethics only made sense to me once I realized Ethics = Punishment.  When I made that connection I fully agreed that Scns may well be the most &#039;Ethical&#039; people on the planet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Lili.  I&#8217;m very much enjoying both the content and style of your writing.  Please keep it coming!  🙂</p>
<p>As an outsider Ethics only made sense to me once I realized Ethics = Punishment.  When I made that connection I fully agreed that Scns may well be the most &#8216;Ethical&#8217; people on the planet.</p>
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		By: otherles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[otherles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When Scientologists say they&#039;re the most ethical people on the Earth, they mean it. &lt;i&gt;Der SS&lt;/i&gt; also say they&#039;re the good guys, they also mean it. When someone says something, it should be checked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Scientologists say they&#8217;re the most ethical people on the Earth, they mean it. <i>Der SS</i> also say they&#8217;re the good guys, they also mean it. When someone says something, it should be checked.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Hubbard staff penalties for passing by words misunderstood when studying staff training material are irrationally harsher and average citizens cannot even believe Hubbard was serious. 

Hubbard’s penalty rules are unbelievable to average normal citizens. 

Reason alone to never do the crackpot Hubbard pseudo therapy and exorcism training Scientology/Hubbard sells by  “fixed donation” pricing. 

Scientology is quackery which results in no grand improved spiritual behavior of any of their membership ever in the whole history of this crank outfit. 

Public need inform themselves about the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism levels of upper Scientology.  Learn what advanced Scientology is requiring of them if they stay aboard crackpot Scientology to the bitter end of the Hubbard quackery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hubbard staff penalties for passing by words misunderstood when studying staff training material are irrationally harsher and average citizens cannot even believe Hubbard was serious. </p>
<p>Hubbard’s penalty rules are unbelievable to average normal citizens. </p>
<p>Reason alone to never do the crackpot Hubbard pseudo therapy and exorcism training Scientology/Hubbard sells by  “fixed donation” pricing. </p>
<p>Scientology is quackery which results in no grand improved spiritual behavior of any of their membership ever in the whole history of this crank outfit. </p>
<p>Public need inform themselves about the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism levels of upper Scientology.  Learn what advanced Scientology is requiring of them if they stay aboard crackpot Scientology to the bitter end of the Hubbard quackery.</p>
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