califa007, there is no more most basic principle in Scientology than the following, and it directly relates to quantum physics, specifically the double-slit experiment:

CONSIDERATIONS TAKE RANK OVER THE MECHANICS OF SPACE, ENERGY, AND TIME.

marildi, I agree with your comment re: quantum physics. My cursory knowledge of quantum physics is what got me interested in Scientology in the first place. Spooky action at a distance, books such as the Holographic Universe, a Universe From Nothing, The Unobservable Universe, Biocentrism, and so many others. In reading Hubbard I tried to link to similar concepts in QP. I approached Scientology hoping that Hubbard had synthesized much of the theory and data – but, unfortunately, he didn’t do any better at that than he did at synthesizing the various psychological theories that he “borrowed.”

“I have done nothing but comment on things like the Nth Koreans and their desire to get the bomb and saber rattling etc. Pakistan already has the bomb and has 10 Divisions (do you have any concept of what that means?) of Indians on their borders more or less on full alert as a matter of a national operating basis. Scary stuff…”

That is either a deliberate Straw Man argument (which I doubt) or you have entirely misunderstood what I wrote.

I was trying to say there is a difference between oppressive leaders and the people they rule. The North Korean people have been even more heavily indoctrinated and lied to than members of the CoS, but I doubt you have called them disrespectful and denigrating names. And I doubt you or others here have engaged in any rhetoric that juvenile since you were in grade school, but you think it is rational and justified in the case of Scientologists. That’s why I say you seem to be operating on anger from past experiences.

I don’t think scientologists should all be put in the same basket – of any kind. I imagine they are individuals who, in large part, are making the best decisions they can based on the data they have.

More to the point – I don’t think it’s true that members of the CoS know very much about what’s really going on – or that those on the fence would be swayed to get off of it by being called names. They would probably give no credibility at all to people who talk that way.

Regardless, I appreciate the comm.

Oh Marildi, the things you say! All members of the Cof$ at this time imo have a responsibility of what they now support. It is way past the time of their using ignorance as an excuse for dismal statistics and criminal abuses. Their own tech/policy gives them all the tools to correct their own non viable and criminally abusive situation. They have attracted world attention for their abuses, yet do nothing. Court cases abound in ever increasing numbers and intensity The smart ones leave it.
I have done nothing but comment on things like the Nth Koreans and their desire to get the bomb and saber rattling etc. Pakistan already has the bomb and has 10 Divisions (do you have any concept of what that means?) of Indians on their borders more or less on full alert as a matter of a national operating basis. Scary stuff. I have commented many times on the insanity of western military operations aligning with political and financial games. From my small part in that game it was pretty obvious to me there’s more than just Scientology to worry about and I do. Just because you didn’t read them or choose to ignore or make up stories about something you didn’t pay attention to doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Anger and fear…??? of what? Your words? – hardly!
You need to knock off the personal evaluations, otherwise others may start to play that game too. As referees say in contested and heated argument between players – “walk away!”
Sheesh, did I have you all wrong!

I Yawnalot: “Whatever one can do to expose it is validated by the misery that would be avoided. The cycle of action of a Scientologist is an observable and provable cycle to misery. Not even insects do that voluntarily!”

When you refer to “a Scientologist” in general like that, you include all of them. I haven’t seen you or anyone else here refer to “a North Korean” with slurs against all of them – regardless of the fact that they are members of a country (a group) that is headed by a vicious authoritarian regime, and many of them don’t even know it because of being brainwashed.

Also, if we start thinking “Whatever one can do to expose it is validated by…” it starts to sound like “The ends justify the means,” and that would be doing the same thing we are protesting.

Sorry to say it, Yawn, but I think your good sense and intentions have been undermined by anger and fear.

But she can run a coaching business! http://caroncirclecc.com/

In the picture at that URL she is not wearing glasses. Maybe her vision got worse with Scientology — either that or she wears contacts sometimes.

Contacts can conveniently — if not intentionally — hide the fact that even the claims of DMSMH were not reached, much less the later, revised clear or OT.

You should not take any flumm from your Ox. I’m ‘independent’ and those of my ilk despise Don Trump. Those who buy into the conspiracy end of things are usually too busy stockpiling beef jerky to pay much attention to this election. Those searching for our reptilian overlords know that Trump is much more reptilian than Clinton.

Thankfully, NASA is in full on search mode for Niribu and they won’t surprise us again. Damn those oversexed reptiles!

You know… I thought about this from a few angles, just for the sake of it as an exercise in thinking what other people might think. And to be honest, if Scientology in its present format did expand to 12 million members – GOOD GOD! Just think of the human carnage in terms of torn up families, money coerced and power transferred to people like Miscavige and his RTC cronies. That would expand the “crimes of the soul capability,” that the present practices of the Cof$ dramatizes upon it’s members. Also, notice Church practices are getting more and more insane and dehumanizing in real terms, they don’t have all that far to go to do something really stupid as a group. They will surprise you as they are leaving the sphere of comprehensibility well behind them, unfortunately.
Yes, it is a serious business Scientology, for all the wrong reasons! The last thing it is, is static. It’s degrading at an alarming rate. Whatever one can do to expose it is validated by the misery that would be avoided. The cycle of action of a Scientologist is an observable and provable cycle to misery. Not even insects do that voluntarily!

And the Royal FAmily is met at the gates of Saint Hill by the infamous reg team of Michael Chan, Bubbles Champagne, Gavin Potter, and Sharon Webber.